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3 hours ago, JeffO2 said:
True, but then you play in the sectional championship after 2 weeks off. That's a long stretch for high school kids. I think one week off does a lot for the bigger schools (that play a big school schedule) especially if you're playing a team for the second time.
But you are ALWAYS better of with a bye than a game. You cant be eliminated on bye week.
Nobody can get injured on a Friday that you dont play.
Ask offensive linemen who play every offensive down for nine weeks if they want a bye week (or) two before the playoffs.
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On 5/11/2021 at 7:20 AM, NLCTigerFan07 said:
That is how it will be in the future - but the IHSAA could not accurately confirm which 32 schools belonged in 6A this year. It is not that hard to grasp. There is no way accurately telling which 2 schools should be moved up because the only accurate data is from previous years, and things have changed since then (with or without COVID). Add in the fluctuating numbers DUE to Covid, the IHSAA thought it best to just keep the same schools in 6A that were in it the last 2 years.
It would have been "unfair" to add Zionsville and Valparaiso to 6A this year without knowing for sure their enrollments were in fact bigger than say.... Jeffersonville, FW Northrop, Harrison (WL) or Castle. Those 6 schools during the last enrollment period were all within 90 students of each other. For all we know, any 2 of those 6 schools would be included in "The 32 teams with the biggest enrollment" as you say.
Thanks, NLC............But it is hard to grasp. Why did 3 teams drop out of 6A?
I dont think there were 29 teams in 6A the last 2 years.///I'm pretty sure there were 32.
If exact enrollments fluctuated, why did some teams drop to 5A?
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Andrean did not move up to 3A like they were supposed to so everybody in Sectional 33 has a problem. 😒
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There should be 32 teams in 6A.. The 32 teams with the biggest enrollment.
A 3-team sectional isnt a sectional. Its one game for somebody
Let Class 1A have the byes/ They need them. There's five eight teams sectionals in 1A
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7 hours ago, DT said:
The Duneland Conference in Northwest Indiana is probably the most insular, resistant to change high school football conference in the state. Ive often likened the DAC to a high end country club, where admission is expensive and outsiders are frowned upon.
While the DAC has been building this insular, elitist approach to high school athletics, its competitiors from other regions around the state, and in particular central Indiana, have left the Duneland schools in the dust and sucking for air.
The Duneland is no longer a threat to win a big school state championship in the major revenue sports. Lets face it. It is what it is. The DAC fell off the football map in the 90s, and the conference has never been a hoops threat in the highest classification.
The gap is getting wider between the central Indiana powers and the Duneland Conference.
Expansion and new blood is the only way the DAC will improve from within, and eventually become a factor in the football and basketball post season state tournaments.
The DAC 12 proposal features expansion to the west with the additions of 5A schools Hammond Central and Hammond Morton, and eastern expansion to bring in 6A schools Penn and Elkhart.
For football, we recommend a divisional lineup as follows, featuring 5 divisional games, 3 divisional crossovers and one week open for non conference matchups.
DAC West
Hammond Central 5A
Hammond Morton 6A
Merrillville 6A
Lake Central 6A
Portage 6A
Crown Point 6A
DAC East
Elkhart 6A
Penn 6A
Valpo 5A
Laporte 5A
Chesterton 5A
Michigan City 5A
The conference is balanced geographically and by enrollment.
There are those who will argue that the Hammond schools do not fit the demographic or socio economic DNA of the current DAC. We agree and contend that the DACs existing markers are at the core of its competitive problems. Diversity ethnically, socio economically and demographically will push competition in the newly expanded conference to a higher level.
The Northwest Crossroads has been suggested as a potential new home for the Hammond schools. Truthfully, NCC schools are either contracting enrollment or treading water. From a size perspective, HC and HM and their 1800 students are a better fit in The DAC.
Morton, Elkhart and Penn bring state ranked football programs into the new DAC. Hammond Central is an elite statewide basketball power.
The old DAC needs a fresh start. New coaches and better facilities are not enough to raise the competitive bar. New outside blood is the answer that will push Duneland schools to improve from within, creating greater opportunities downstate.
DT;
As you know the Hammond schools have little chance to compete against Crown Point, Merrillville and Lake Central in football. Morton was state rated in 4A
And DAC teams are not going to drop natural rivals CP-Lowell, LC-Munster, Merrillville-Andrean to play Hammond or Elkhart.
Why would they?
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1 hour ago, DT said:
Thanks for the pics OUM. Emily is quite the athlete. She actually has more natural talent than her older sister. I used to go watch her play in youth tournaments. Her Mom Kate is a tireless supporter and she has been doing everything humanely possible to help these girls achieve such high levels of success at CP.
I hadn't seen her play before this year. She's good defensively at 3B and her bat is coming around. I think next year she'll probably be their shortstop.
The big game now is (barring a sectional upset) Crown Point at Lake Central....for the regional title on June 1...I think the winner of that game gets to the state title game.
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On 5/6/2021 at 7:02 AM, Tommy said:
City of Hammond is named after George Hammond. He was the man who invented refrigerated railroad cars. They should be called the Hammond Ice Trains.
They could've called their gym 'The Ice Box'
And if they could build a dynasty..it could be 'The Ice Age' 😉
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On 5/5/2021 at 7:06 PM, DT said:
I dont like it. I think it was a poor choice and Im expressing my opinion.
It was a weak choice, DT....and there are two others Wolves already in NW Indiana. I wanted the school to continue to be Hammond high as well.
(and as you know, 'Bulldogs' is taken. I just wanted to send you a couple of photos of someone you may know.
The battle for softball supremacy in Lake County goes on!)
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On 5/6/2021 at 7:02 AM, Tommy said:
City of Hammond is named after George Hammond. He was the man who invented refrigerated railroad cars. They should be called the Hammond Ice Trains.
Tommy!!!
Laying some history on us!!!!
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He's got to go to Denver and battle Patrick Mahomes 3 times every year....
...all-time NFL TV ratings for the 'State Farm showdowns' 👍
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20 hours ago, Bears62 said:
Since the creation of 6A Indiana hs football, Indy schools have won all 8 state championships. Prior to that, Indy schools had won 12 straight state titles in 5A. Is there even a plausible solution out there to balance the playing field? It would seem silly to create a “7a” that consists of roughly 16 or so of the largest Indy schools, not to mention it sounds far less exciting. But Indy’s domination has gotten to the point where you can’t help but think that maybe something should be done. Indy schools have won 20 in a row of the largest class state titles, and there is really no end in sight.
Penn and Snider were 2 of the perennial powers in Indiana for decades, yet they have both seen a recent decline that they have not experienced before. Yes I know Snider won a 5A title 4-5 years ago, but they are firmly stuck in 5a and don’t really seem to be anywhere near of fielding a state champion caliber team anyways. Merrillville had a really talented team last year with a couple really good studs, yet their 2 losses last year both came in lopsided games to Chatard and Westfield (tremendous football teams who were both undoubtedly in the top 5 regardless of class). What is it going to take to see a 6a state champion out of 6a? I can honestly say I don’t think it will be anytime soon.
What i want to know is do people think the creation of a “7a” ,consisting of the largest Indy schools, the answer or even something that would ever be considered? I want nothing more than for literally anyone outside of Indy to win a 6a title for the sake of parity within the state but I just don’t see anything being done about it anytime soon. Then what would you do about the large non-Indy schools who are in the top 16 in student population? Do they join 7a due to their enrollment or stay in 6a and have a very significant numbers advantage over the rest of the remaining 6a schools? It would feel wrong having Penn with 3300+ students in 6a and have Perry Meridian with 2351 students in 7a just due to their location.
Lets wait 20 years and revisit 7A...
8 years is nothing, really.
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1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:
Per Kyle Neddenreip:
The IHSAA executive committee voted to delay realignment and reclassification for one year due to fluctuation in enrollment likely caused by pandemic. Except for programs that move up due to tourney success factor, schools remain in current class in each sport for one more year.
Help me here.
Valparaiso went to the 2019 5A finals and the 2020 5A semistate.
Valpo moves up to 6A, right?
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On 11/28/2020 at 9:02 PM, HoopsCoach said:
With the consolidation of the Hammond high schools, and the addition of Dugger Union in 22-23 (needs to be included in the upcoming cycle), I think there will be 318 schools with football. That puts 32 in 5A and 6A, 2 of the lower classes with 63 and 2 with 64. I am not sure if there is an IHSAA policy on which class should have fewer schools, but in basketball they usually align 1A with the most and 4A with the least. The plan I read for the Hammond schools was to realign the district to split their enrollment somewhat evenly, which would put them around 1700 or so students in each high school. Here are the numbers I have (slightly different from crimsonace).
6A Enrollment Carmel 5414 Ben Davis 4617 North Central (Indpls.) 3754 Warren Central 3690 Fishers 3689 Penn 3430 Hamilton Southeastern 3399 Pike 3392 Lake Central 3271 Elkhart 3235 Avon 3194 Noblesville 3091 Franklin Central 3049 Crown Point 2925 Brownsburg 2876 Lawrence North 2737 Center Grove 2624 Westfield 2513 Homestead 2503 Carroll (F.W.) 2475 Perry Meridian 2358 Southport 2313 Portage 2301 Lawrence Central 2268 Zionsville 2151 Jeffersonville 2134 Columbus North 2090 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 2089 Chesterton 2081 Lafayette Jefferson 2066 Warsaw 2059 Harrison (West Lafayette) 2050
5A Enrollment Fort Wayne Northrop 2046 Valparaiso 2035 Merrillville 2022 Whiteland 2007 Goshen 1973 South Bend Adams 1949 Castle 1884 Floyd Central 1867 New Albany 1859 Fort Wayne Snider 1830 Decatur Central 1818 McCutcheon 1805 Anderson 1786 Plainfield 1744 LaPorte 1737 Concord 1676 Bloomington South 1666 Bloomington North 1582 Franklin 1582 Munster 1572 Columbus East 1565 Michigan City 1554 Kokomo 1552 Fort Wayne North Side 1547 Seymour 1538 Mishawaka 1499 Huntington North 1478 Hammond Morton (est.) 1700 Hammond Central (est.) 1700 New Palestine 1160 Indianapolis Cathedral 1042 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 985 4A Enrollment Bedford-North Lawrence 1463 Terre Haute South 1463 Evansville North 1455 Greenfield-Central 1445 Terre Haute North 1431 Fort Wayne South Side 1415 Northridge 1407 Fort Wayne Wayne 1395 Pendleton Heights 1394 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1372 Mooresville 1341 Muncie Central 1330 Logansport 1289 Martinsville 1288 East Central 1280 Hobart 1264 Richmond 1260 Hammond Morton 1231 Greenwood 1213 Gary West Side 1189 Jennings County 1163 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1142 Shelbyville 1137 South Bend Riley 1133 East Chicago Central 1104 Evansville Reitz 1101 East Noble 1097 Plymouth 1094 Lowell 1092 DeKalb 1080 Columbia City 1072 Jasper 1068 Indianapolis Shortridge 1064 Indianapolis Roncalli 1062 Highland 1061 Marion 1036 Connersville 1034 Lebanon 1017 Kankakee Valley 1015 Beech Grove 1005 Northview 995 New Haven 978 New Prairie 977 Leo 963 Wawasee 947 Boonville 927 Evansville Harrison 923 Evansville Central 919 New Castle 907 Jay County 904 Frankfort 899 Northwood 884 Silver Creek 868 South Bend Clay 858 Culver Academies 831* South Bend Saint Joseph 831 Norwell 829 Western 824 Brebeuf 816 Angola 814 Delta 806 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 673 Evansville Memorial 559 3A Enrollment South Bend Washington 805 Indianapolis Washington 789 Yorktown 782 Madison 776 Scottsburg 767 Hamilton Heights 763 Edgewood 763 Mississinewa 761 Hanover Central 748 West Lafayette 743 Charlestown 743 Danville 739 Franklin County 732 Gibson Southern 728 Corydon Central 728 Washington 727 South Dearborn 723 Guerin Catholic 719 Hammond Clark 716 Twin Lakes 700 Batesville 697 Lawrenceburg 696 Greensburg 696 North Harrison 689 Crawfordsville 675 Rushville 673 West Noble 669 Owen Valley 664 Mishawaka Marian 661 Griffith 660 Calumet 660 Peru 657 Maconaquah 656 Bellmont 647 John Glenn 637 Mt Vernon (Posey) 633 Evansvill Bosse 631 Vincennes Lincoln 623 Heritage 622 Fort Wayne Concordia 621 Princeton 616 Northwestern 597 Garrett 586 Indian Creek 585 Knox 583 Jimtown 582 Tri-West 578 Tippecanoe Valley 571 Heritage Hills 570 Lakeland 568 Brown County 548 Benton Central 548 Salem 541 Western Boone 538 South Vermillion 535 Pike Central 528 Speedway 527 Fairfield 523 North Montgomery 521 Alexandria 520 Woodlan 519 Monrovia 519 Southridge 513 2A Enrollment West Vigo 518 Centerville 515 Sullivan 514 Rochester 513 Brownstown Central 512 Oak Hill 509 Bremen 507 Evansville Mater Dei 505 River Forest 500 Cascade 496 Frankton 496 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 496 Boone Grove 495 Rensselaer Central 494 Southmont 488 Whiting 486 Wheeler 485 Blackford 484 Greencastle 484 Tipton 481 Bluffton 477 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 477 Eastbrook 471 Eastern (Greentown) 468 Lapel 468 Hammond Bishop Noll 466 Wabash 465 Heritage Christian 463 Triton Central 463 Manchester 460 Delphi 451 Mitchell 450 Central Noble 436 Union County 434 Crawford County 427 Lewis Cass 426 Linton-Stockton 423 North Putnam 422 North Posey 421 Tell City 420 Shenandoah 418 Prairie Heights 416 Indianapolis Scecina 415 Eastern (Pekin) 414 Indianapolis Manual 414 Whitko 413 Northeastern 409 Switzerland County 405 Eastside 400 Elwood 399 Eastern Hancock 395 North Knox 391 Lake Station Edison 389 Churubusco 388 Winchester 387 South Spencer 386 LaVille 385 Paoli 385 Andrean 384 Perry Central 372 Adams Central 368 Madison-Grant 368 Pioneer 297 Lafayette Central Catholic 288 1A Enrollment Forest Park 367 Seeger 367 Clinton Prairie 365 South Putnam 360 North Newton 355 Knightstown 354 Clarksville 353 Parke Heritage 350 Winamac 349 Taylor 347 South Adams 346 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 344 Providence 344 Park Tudor 343* Sheridan 338 Hagerstown 336 Carroll (Flora) 331 North Decatur 330 North Judson 326 Monroe Central 322 South Central (Union Mills) 320 Milan 317 Cloverdale 309 Eastern Greene 308 Fountain Central 305 South Decatur 304 Tecumseh 300 Riverton Parke 298 North Daviess 297 West Washington 295 Bowman Academy 290 North Central (Farmersburg) 289 North Miami 284 Cambridge City Lincoln 284 Fremont 284 Covington 276 Clinton Central 273 Southern Wells 272 Northfield 269 Wes-Del 261 Southwood 259 Springs Valley 259 Anderson Prep Academy 258 Triton 253 North White 247 Tri 246 Union City 243 North Vermillion 240 Tri Central 240 Barr Reeve 239 South Newton 238 Culver 233 Edinburgh 228 West Central 222 Caston 218 Tri-County 211 Indianapolis Tindley 207 Indianapolis Lutheran 203 Oldenburg Academy 203 Frontier 199 Dugger Union 189 Attica 183 Traders Point Christian 121 Indiana Deaf 113 *school does not report enrollment to DOE.
If Merrillville is 5A, that's a major, major change.
Portage, Chesterton, Crown Point and Lake Central do NOT have to beat Merrillville just to get out of the sectional.?
That's sunshine on a rainy day.
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On 1/29/2021 at 7:18 PM, Coach Nowlin said:
I'm reading that River Forest coach Joe O'Connell has resigned..............
To become the 'passing game coordinator' at Crown Point. I like it.
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4 hours ago, regionfbdude said:
Both wrong. I attended both games. H-F won the opener vs. Lockport 41-14 and lost to Lincoln Way East 31-0 after a close first half. H-F is playing with a very small roster (in the mid 40’s) due to several of their best players graduating at mid term and are participating in College Spring Ball including their MVP from last year who is at Cincinnati. They also have several baseball and basketball kids that chose not to come out because those seasons are playing at the same time and some pretty significant injuries to their O-Line. I saw where he was quoted after the game that they were forced to start two back up RB’s on the O-line this past week. Not your typical H-F team but I’m sure they will be competitive for what they have. Not sure it has anything to do with him taking the CP job.
True, I reversed the scores....H-F won on March 19 and lost on March 26.
Thanks for the update
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On 3/24/2021 at 5:42 PM, DT said:
Craig Buzea's HF team got whipped 42-14 in their season opener against Lincoln Way West out of Frankfort
Wonder if it's a challenge for Buzz to stay focused with what's waiting ahead at Crown Point
Big win last Friday, though. 31-0 over Lockport. Lincoln Way is a monster in Illinois.
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9 hours ago, Bobref said:
I don’t see that there’s a problem. The rules already prohibit any player from striking an opponent “with his fist, locked hands, forearm or elbow, nor kick or knee him.” An open-handed strike to the facemask — a “stiff arm” — does not present a serious risk of head injury unless the runner is some sort of Kung Fu master. It’s not at all analogous to a defender grabbing and twisting the runner’s facemask.
I can honestly say in all the football I’ve seen, I’ve never seen a tackler suffer a head injury as a result of a stiff arm.
Bob,
Then allow defenders to face mask offensive players because while I am not on the playing field like you, I watch games only from the sidelines and I can honestly say that I have never seen a player injured (that I knew of) from a defender grabbing an offensive player's facemask. Have you?
Its just the cumulative affect of hitting someone in the head. If its bad for the offensive player, its just as bad for the defensive player. And offensive players grab the defender's facemask all the time. It just isnt called if they let go quickly..
Like I said. In another era, you could pull the head gear off an offensive player and it wasn't a foul. Rules change.
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1 hour ago, Bobref said:
The foul is “grabbing the facemask.” It’s not the “strike” that the rule is trying to discourage. It’s the grabbing and twisting. And it’s not a head injury the rules makers are trying to protect against. It’s a neck injury.
But Bob, the question still stands.
A strike to the head that, I might agree, hurts the neck more than the head.? Its dangerous under any definition. Why is it legal for an offensive player to do that?. Its taught. Its cheered.
But a defensive player cannot do basically the same thing by grabbing the facemask. Linemen who jack up the heads of the offensive linemen on the pass rush get the yellow flag.
You see it up close where the running back goes straight to the head of the defender and jacks his head back. Stiff are the shoulder pad. Stiff are his chest. The stiff arm to the head is not anywhere near safe.
That rule must change.
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I would not allow offensive players to stiff arm defensive players in the head.
If face masking is a violation for the defense because the 'strike' of the hand to the head isnt safe, then there's no way on earth a running back stiff arming a defender above the neck or punching him open-handed in the mask is safe.
This is one of those archaic rules of football that should have been changed long time ago. Ripping the other guys helmet off used to be legal, too. 🙁
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On 3/13/2021 at 7:21 AM, Gipper said:
Sudden death.
No. And no Mickey Mouse shootout like soccer.
Id play a 5th quarter, Gip. Just like basketball.. Recreate the final quarter and let both teams go at it.
If the game is tied after the 5th quarter, let it end in a tie. Both sides earned it.
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I would like to see the elimination of the present overtime format.. It isnt football. Its a scrimmage down.
Play a 5th quarter and then let regular season games end in a tie.
Play postseason games to their conclusion no matter how long it takes...
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In 2019, Andrean senior Johnny Carrothers started for the 59ers, who won the Class 2A state boys baskteball championship.
His sister Jessica Carrothers starts for 4A No. 2 Crown Point in the 2021 girls state playoffs.
The question? Has a brother and sister, playing for two different schools, ever reached the championship game of Indiana basketball?
Does anybody know?
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18 minutes ago, fenderbender said:
If you look at 2019-2020 classifications, Columbus East is the only 6A school "south" of Indianapolis. (Center Grove and other metro schools are being considered Indianapolis. ) Jeffersonville would pop up to 6A if CE was in their enrollment class.
Every 6A title has been won by an Indy school.
Have to go to 2000 (Penn) to find a 5A not won by an Indy school.
So I think it is just Indy.
You are right, FB....It is just Indy...where the most affluent and largest schools exist.
More power to 'em
Its the private school- public school debate.
There's a reason Bishop Chatard has won 15 state titles and 100 other public 3A or 4A schools have none.
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1 hour ago, Bobref said:
I have to admit, I have been in this area for a long time. Lived in Valpo for 10 years. Even taught at Valpo U for 5 years. I have never heard a whisper of controversy about the nickname or mascot.
I dont understand the negative connotation of the word Crusader....
Just because a group adopts your name does not make it controversial or neagtive.
What about the name Patriots?
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Hanover Central to the NCC in 2023/24
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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You gotta love the eyes of the Wildcat.
This is great news and the first Hanover-Lowell game (Hanover is Lowell's border neighbor to the north) will be standing room only.