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15 hours ago, Warren Central Warrior said:

Ben Davis and Warren Central stuck together for another two years? That isn't right in my opinion. The Giants and Warriors will have to fight it out for bragging rights and state titles.

BD should be with Avon, Brownsburg and Pike.  It just makes perfect sense geographically.  However, your arguement holds little if no water.  They are going to fight it out most years anyway, just a little sooner.

It's my understanding that a school can petition to play up in classification if it so chooses.  Otherwise, Snider's performance and enrollment decide what class they play. 

On 3/25/2019 at 12:36 PM, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I was unable to find anything with exact amounts, but both Michael Lindauer of Evansville Memorial (3A) and Bronson Yoder of NorthWood (4A) were named among the top 4 finalist for Mr. Football and received votes. That is why you see some votes missing among the 3A, 4A and 5A totals posted above from what Kiser and Bell received in those respective classes. Lindauer and Yoder played a majority of their games against those size teams in areas where Kiser and Bell were probably never seen, especially those in the southwest corner of the state.

Couldn't find the totals either, but here is how the Kiser/Bell breakdown went:

How Mr. Football is selected

Sixty high school coaches vote for Mr. Football and the Mr. Football position award winners at the annual Indiana Football Coaches Association all-state meeting. There is one vote for each sectional and two at-large votes in each class. That comes out to 60 total votes — 10 for each class. Here is a breakdown of how each class voted between Kiser and Bell:

Class A – Kiser 10, Bell 0

Class 2A – Kiser 9, Bell 1

Class 3A – Bell 4, Kiser 1

Class 4A – Kiser 3, Bell 3

Class 5A – Kiser 3, Bell 3

Class 6A – Bell 6, Kiser 4

And here is the story on how it will change next year:

The voting process for IndyStar Indiana Mr. Football will change starting next season.

The Indiana Football Coaches Association voted at its board meeting Friday to allow all members – coaches and assistant coaches – to have a Mr. Football vote. Previously, an IFCA ratings board of 60 -- 10 coaches in each of the six classes --voted for Mr. Football.

Jason Simmons, the Ben Davis coach and assistant executive director for the IFCA, said the ratings board will select the Mr. Football finalists, which will be the top two for each of the Mr. Football position awards. Coaches will then have two or three days to vote electronically for Mr. Football.

“We will leave the all-state meeting and send a ballot out that night or the next morning and then allow 48 or 72 hours to vote,” Simmons said.

The previous voting process had been in place for about 15 years. Simmons said the decision to allow all coaches to vote is to make the process as transparent as possible

“There is probably no perfect system, but I feel like we have been as progressive as any coaches association in the state,” Simmons said. “If there is a need for a change, we are going to attack it and adjust what we do. We felt like there was a need to change the voting system for Mr. Football.”

The process became a topic of discussion in December when Pioneer’s Jack Kiser, a two-time state champion and Notre Dame recruit, was voted Mr. Football over Warren Central’s David Bell. Kiser had 30 votes to outdistance runner-up Bell of Warren Central’s 17 votes. Kiser was voted Mr. Football on 19 of the 20 ballots from Class A and 2A coaches.

16 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

Stax, I believe his challenge was if you put an individual that plays in 1A, would they perform identically and amass the same type of stats playing in the MIC? Is it a level playing field to compare individual performance?  I wonder the same. You know firsthand being a 6A Indiana football fan that players rarely go both ways for entire games all season. This is due to roster depth, player fatigue and player injury. 

I was kind of wondering why you started this thread. This decision is well in the rear view mirror. If you start a thread, then get triggered because someone offers a thought in which you don’t align, well????

Great quote from the movie Saving Sarah Marshall....”it’s like the Soprano’s....IT’S OVER!”

You must know this Artesian personally to know what he "meant". I did not read it that way.  Threads tend to shift from the original statement and morph into something else. If I get "triggered" (probably an inappropriate term in this PC era) because of a thought I object, I'm not allowed to give opposing opinion?

On 3/19/2019 at 9:11 AM, SuperQuickArtesians said:

David Bell was the best player in the State hands down!! Now Kizer going to Notre Dame is no accident the kid could ball and if had been any other player outside the MIC Kizer would have got my vote. The MIC top to bottom is the best conference in the State some even view it as one of the best in the Midwest. for that kid not to win Mr. Football was a crime. I am glad they are proposing a change in the voting process, in my opinion, you can blame the 1A and 2A coaches who voted it was clearly a bias towards the small school athlete.

Right, because the MIC is the best conference, there is NO WAY ANY athletes at the other 400 or so schools could have the best player. I'm embarrassed for you.

16 hours ago, Coach P said:

Westfield is not rebuilding.. last years junior class has been one of the best in Westfield history. They were undefeated in JV as Sophomores. Last years JV lost once.

Yeah, I meant they have been rebuilding.  I think the 'Rocks will be a force in 6A football for a good while.

On 3/9/2019 at 9:43 PM, SenatorFan said:

So would it be OK for (insert your favorite team) to go 0-9 in the regular season and then run through the playoffs and win a championship? I think every school has fans that would be OK with that. Imagine a 1A school that plays 5A and 6A schools all year then handles everyone they meet on the way to celebrating at LOS. Worth it? 

Assuming that 1A school had an average size 1A roster, they probably wouldn't have enough healthy bodies to survive the playoffs.

Of course  I meant Kiser.  Sorry for the typo.  No one else has heard about this?

Sorry if someone else has discussed this but I didn't see it.  I read on twitter (I think linked to an IndyStar article) that the IHSAA and the coaches were considering changing the way Mr. Football is voted.  The big schools apparently did not appreciate a 1A school football player getting the award over David Bell.  They cited the overwhelming number of 1st place votes Kiger received from 1A and 2A schools.  The proposed change is EVERY coach, head and assistants, would get a vote. Kind of reverses the advantage to the large schools, doesn't it?  If the likes of Carmel, Warren, Ben Davis, etc. have 10 assistant coaches vs. Pioneer, Tipton, West Central, etc. having maybe 5,6 assistants, the balance has a heavy big school lean.  I'm obviously guessing on number of assistants at schools but it sure seems like sour grapes. 

Yeah, pretty much agree with everything.  WTHR-13 (and I'm sure other Indy news stations) has covered this and the statement above is exactly how they reported.  HSE school board has some 'splainin to do!

Edit...... I don't think the IHSAA had any choice in the matter.  It was the school board's decision and the IHSAA had no choice.  Bobby Cox was even quoted as saying "this is sickening".

3 hours ago, Muda69 said:

http://www.maconaquah.k12.in.us/giving

Looks pretty cheap.  What are other government schools charging for their naming rights?

 

They had better get rid of the "Braves" mascot.  The PC police have them on their list, although pretty low on the list at the moment.

2 hours ago, DT said:

CN wants in to The HCC.  Good first step

OH no you will not stir up a pot that does not exist.  They don't want in to the HCC and the feeling is mutual.  For reasons just open up google maps.

On a side note, I see that Avon has replaced Plainfield on their non-con schedule with Columbus North.  I like this and it should be a very good series.  Anxious to see the non-con schedules of the other HCC teams!

39 minutes ago, Coach P said:

Who comes out on top of the HCC in 2019. Zionsville has a new coach and Noblesville and HSE coaches in their 2nd year.  Is Franklin Central better after getting their feet wet in year one?  Brownsburg and Avon still extremely talented. Fishers always a tough out and Westfield trying to get to the top.  Whats your predictions......

1. BBurg  2. Avon 3. Zionsville 4. Fishers 5. Westfield 6. Noblesville 7. HSE 8. FC

I think your predictions are pretty much spot on.  BBurg and Avon are interchangeable.  I'd move Westfield up to #3. I think HSE will rebound and end up 4 or 5.

On 2/1/2019 at 2:05 PM, DT said:

There is no attempt here to storm the gates, conduct a military coup, or otherwise overthrow the braintrust of The GID.

I simply see this point in time as a pivot point for The Digest.

Given the shutdown, significant loss of membership, and new cost burdens associated with the hardware and software makeovers, all options should be considered.

Should the site go the pay route, I would consider being an investor, as long as there is potential ROI to be realized at some point.

But that takes strategic business and marketing oriented thinking, which I have in abundant supply.

Just my 2 cents worth.  I figure after 15 years and tens of thousands of posts, I've earned the right.  😀

 

 

How many of those tens of thousands are QUALITY posts?  I'd guess maybe 19 or 20.  I've been a free-loader the last 3 or 4 years. I'd be willing to contribute $10/year for seasonal coverage, July-Dec.

We can all do this logically, but the IHSAA has already shown logic has nothing to do with it when they put Ben Davis and Warren together in this last cycle.

Avon, Brownsburg, Ben Davis and Pike should always be in the same sectional.  It's a no brainer (except to the powers that be).

Edit........ Forgot about Zionsville.  They have to go somewhere.  Perhaps in a "cluster" with Laf. Jeff, Carmel , Westfield and Noblesville.

So the HCC is now officially an all-6A conference with Zionsville moving up.  Enrollment at ALL schools will continue to grow (but not at Carmel's rate!).

Well crap, now I have to go back in and put this guy on ignore.

Until proven otherwise, Avon and Brownsburg should rule the HCC.  The 2 Fishers schools (HSE and Fishers) have slipped the last few years and that's disappointing.  Westfield is rebuilding and Zionsville will be a tough matchup.