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2 hours ago, Footballmomma said:

Are they playing the ncc? Thought they were voted out and are independent now? 

No they are the only Tippecanoe County team that didn’t get voted out.

5 hours ago, BTF said:

Warsaw waxed one of 6A's better teams last year. The potential is there. I personally don't see Jeff "steamrolling" them. They're a lot like Mishawaka. Bring your A game, or you're done. 

I agree. I think Jeff might possibly be on a bit of a slow downward trend. Their enrollment is shrinking, and they’re not going to improve much playing what’s left of the NCC.

2 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Been really busy and neglected this. Will get standings from last week posted. Sorry for the short notice on this week’s games. 

I appreciate you taking the time. It's a fun little addition to the tournament season!

Week 3 Games:

1. Warsaw @ Penn

2. Fishers @ Hamilton Southeastern

3. Westfield @ Noblesville

4. Cathedral @ Lawrence North

5. Mishawaka @ Concord

6. Harrison @ Decatur Central

7. Whiteland @ Terre Haute South

8. Evansville North @ Castle

9. NorthWood @ Northridge

10. Mississinewa @ Kokomo

11. Brebeuf Jesuit @ Mooresville

12. Evansville Reitz @ Evansville Memorial

13. Hanover Central @ West Lafayette

14. Tri-West @ Monrovia

15. Gibson Southern @ Vincennes Lincoln

16. Batesville @ Indian Creek

17. Bremen @ LaVille

18. Eastern (Greentown) @ Bluffton

19. Southmont @ Linton-Stockton

20. Winchester @ Eastern Hancock 

21. North Judson @ Triton 

22. Park Tudor @ North Vermilion 

23. North Decatur @ Milan 

24. Springs Valley @ Providence 

Me waiting for this week's tourney Pick 'Em to be posted.

Week 2 Games:

1. Brownsburg @ Ben Davis

2. Lawrence Central @ Lawrence North

3. Noblesville @ Zionsville

4. Bloomington South @ Bloomington North

5. Evansville North @ Floyd Central

6. Franklin @ Terre Haute South

7. Plainfield @ Harrison 

8. East Noble @ Leo

9. Mississinewa @ Columbia City

10. Roncalli @ Mooresville

11. Fairfield @ John Glenn

12. Indian Creek @ Franklin County

13. Lawrenceburg @ Batesville

14. Yorktown @ Delta

15. Brownstown Central @ Triton Central

16. Central Noble @ Manchester

17. Greencastle @ Linton-Stockton

18. Heritage Christian @ Winchester

19. North Posey @ Evansville Mater Dei

20. Rochester @ Lafayette Central Catholic 

21. Wheeler @ Bremen 

22. Clinton Prairie @ North Vermillion 

1. Beech Grove @ Muncie Central

2. Culver Academy @ Lowell

3. Hobart @ New Prairie 

4. Pendleton Heights @ Greenfield-Central 

5. Danville @ Tri-West

6. Lawrenceburg @ Centerville

7. Scottsburg @ North Harrison 

8. Twin Lakes @ Boone Grove 

9. Western Boone @ North Montgomery 

10. Andrean @ LaVille

11. Bluffton @ Alexandria

12. Eastbrook @ Frankton 

13. Evansville Mater Dei @ Tell City

14. Greencastle @ North Putnam 

15. Sullivan @ Southmont 

16. Clinton Prairie @ Covington 

17. North Miami @ Southern Wells

18. Pioneer @ North Judson 

3 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

I’m not aware of any sport seeding the teams/participants except for wrestling. Unless something has changed since my high school days in the mid-2000s, I was on the track team and we never had seeding for any meets (regular season or postseason).

I'm pretty sure that track seeds individual events--giving preferential lane and heat assignments to the best times and field event marks. I'm pretty sure swimming does this, too. I don't think there's any way to seed teams, just individuals.

1 hour ago, Impartial_Observer said:

True but aren’t there minimum times to qualify?

For sectionals, there used to be qualifying marks way back in the old days, but for the last 30 years or so, I believe schools have been allotted 2 individuals per event and 1 relay team, unless they had 3 or more individuals meet the state meet qualifying standard.

3 hours ago, Tippy said:

Its been 50 years since the playoffs started in 1973.  From 1973-1997, 103 teams won championships.  47 of those teams were in and north of Lafayette.  From 1998 to 2022, 135 teams won championships.  39 of those teams were in and north of Lafayette.  15 of those 39 championships were won by LCC and FW Luers.

 

From 1973-1997 it looks like 8 teams south of Bargersville won state.  From 1998-2022, 13 teams south of Bargersville won state.  4 of the 13 in the last 4 years.  It looks like the far south is getting slightly better, and the Indy area is getting much better.  And the north "OH MY"

I respectfully withdraw my attempt to add to this thread my own poor attempt at an "Oh my". I didn't realize that there was a 1 perspective limit.

11 hours ago, Tippy said:

The teams south of Bargersville seem to be getting better all the time.

Evansville Mater Dei won state - 2000, 2022

Evansville Memorial won state - 2017

Linton won state - 2016

Heritage Hills won state - 2000

Evansville Reitz won state - 2007,2009

Columbus East won state - 2013, 2017

Jasper won state - 2001

East Central won state - 2022, probably 2023

Mt. Vernon (Fortville) won state - 2021

Gibson Southern won state - 2021

It did reach double digits.  Many of the schools in and north of Lafayette were good for many years, and that doesn't seem to be true anymore.  South Bend had some of the best teams in the state from the 1920's-1970's, and now look at them.  Penn seems to have fallen off, and the list goes on and on.  Indy might have a lot to do with that, but that is why the teams north of Lafayette get an "Oh My"

Well, three of those are older than the 20 year parameter (2000, 2000, 2001), one of the has not happened yet (2023), and one of them, Mt. Vernon (Fortville) is actually about 45 miles north of Bargersville. So that puts the number squarely at 10 (out of about 110 championships I think).

I think directly or indirectly we are both shining the spotlight on the Indy area and surrounding counties. That region's probably won 60 or more state championships in the last 20 years. 

Now do the same thing for schools south of Bargersville for the last 20 years. I don’t think the total championship count even reaches double digits. Oh my!

16 hours ago, Tippy said:

Lafayette Jeff knew the HCC would be the best conference in the state in 2004.  It has taken a few years, but that year is here.  Lafayette Jeff couldn't take the heat and had to get out of the HCC.  

As I recall (though I might be wrong) the HCC showed all three Lafayette teams the door out of the conference; it was not Jeff, McCutcheon, or Harrison wanting to leave. Though in hindsight, all three are probably better off for it.

How about that group in 5A! All four teams in the top 10 of 5A in the Sagarin. A combined .750 winning percentage at this point in the season. By the end of the regular season, McCutcheon will likely have the worst record at 6-3. I gotta think that Harrison is the favorite at this point, but there don't seem to be any 'gimme' teams in that sectional.

11 minutes ago, Bears62 said:

Agreed. I'm just speaking with logic and what Jeff should do. Would not be surprised if Harrison and McCutcheon didn't want anything to do with Jeff after all of this. Such a shame.

Yep. Logic seems to be absent in this situation. 

If I were one of those AD's I'd be hard pressed to renew any athletic contracts with Jeff.

12 minutes ago, CoachGallogly said:

Im thinking Harrison and McC are going to have to go north this time around. 

Interesting . . .

What would that look like?

30 minutes ago, Bears62 said:

Realistic: Harrison, McCutcheon, Jeff, WL, Logansport, Lebanon. 

 

Why would Jeff vote HHS and MHS out of the conference, then turn around and follow them out the door?

1 hour ago, foxbat said:

I can't imagine Jeff staying much longer in NCC with Harrison and McCutcheon out . . . there's not much left for Jeff, from a football perspective at least, that would be a strong reason to stay.  It was tenuous before and now even more so.

The crazy part is that it appears that Jeff voted in favor of the ouster of HHS and MHS

26 minutes ago, US31 said:

Is it odd that only Harr & McC were voted out but not LJ?  

Does it make more sense to look north or south for a new home?

 

I think, though there were a few blips, Jeff has deep ties and long history with the NCC, and most of the NCC schools are clinging to that past glory.

People I've talked to have said for all intents and purposes, this was a move to get Harrison out because they were becoming too dominant in most/all sports. Harrison and McCutcheon are basically joined at the hip so if Harrison got the boot so did McCutcheon.

I think south makes more sense for MHS and HHS, but I think they'll be in a really tough spot finding a conference or a handful of schools willing to join them.

9 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Would you describe yourself more so as an epicurean or hemophiliac? 

On 12/29/2022 at 5:15 AM, hhpatriot04 said:

I don't follow.

I echo your sentiment on this one.

16 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

I don't follow.

It seemed like you were offering excommunication as a rebuttal for PHJIrish’s statement that “you ban yourself. It’s always your choice.” I was simply offering that excommunication only happens because of exactly what PHJIrish said.

9 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

You're right though TBH, excommunication never happens!

Because of the excommunicated individual’s choices and actions, right? 

49 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I believe that 2023 is their last season in the NCC.

Things may have changed in the last 6 months, but the article states that Tech will leave the NCC on June 1, 2023, so I think they will play other NCC schools (probably due to contracts and the difficulty of putting together a new schedule on short notice) but the will not be part of the conference, it appears.

On 12/2/2022 at 3:32 PM, Tippy said:

 

McCutcheon All-State Player that was Catholic

Clayton Richard 2000, 2001, 2002

Pretty sure that's not the case, though I think he played 1 year for LCC's Jr. High team (could be wrong though).

On 11/3/2022 at 8:58 AM, Bobref said:

Way to duck the question.

You’re calling someone out for ducking a question? Interesting 

8 hours ago, Bobref said:

According to my calculations, a seeded qualifying format would increase regular season in-game attendance by 24%, media coverage by 36%, and concession stand revenue by a whopping 42%! 

An excellent post! Clever, thought provoking!! I think this might just be the straw that broke the camel’s back! I anticipate that this post and the numbers you articulated will end this debate once and for all on the GID!!

1 minute ago, Bobref said:

I don’t know about “biggest.” But Indiana football would definitely be better if you required teams to demonstrate excellence all season, rather than just from mid-October on.

In what ways? Please provide a way to potentially quantify your glittering generality.

3 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

 

Meaningless in the sense that regular season game outcomes have zero direct effect on the postseason. 

I guess I would say "So what!"?

Why does there need to be a connection between the tournament and the regular season?

If someone is unable to see the value and impact that involvement in a regular season of football provides for players, schools, communities, etc. I just don't know what to say. 

I'm actually intrigued by the concept of a qualifying tournament; I just have yet to hear a practical argument that I could get behind.