JQWL

I feel like DT is creeping around this thread.

17 minutes ago, TitanFootball said:

Hate to burst your bubble but OV would be 5-5 and sitting at home this Friday if they played the Titans schedule this year. 

So whats your prediction on the score?

Wasn't Zionsville. I can't remember who it was. Around early 2000s I believe. Maybe someone from that area can correct me.

41 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I took your arbitrary cut of 50% for 6A, to see that that would mean using Sagarin.  

Team eliminated (falling in the bottom 16)with their 2022 record include

• Warsaw 7-2
• Elkhart 7-2
• Homestead 5-4
• Zionsville 4-5
• Lake Central 4-5
• Columbus North 4-5

3 teams over .500 and 3 more teams on the cusp.  Eliminating them, what is the true benefit? I am not talking about your personal satisfaction....how does it benefit those kids, coaching staffs and communities?

Are you saying these teams cannot be competitive in the playoffs?

It has probably been longer than I realize but I remember when Zionsville finished 4-5 and won the state finals. I believe it was pre-6A. I'll have to check John Harrell.

I may be in the wrong here and I know that 1 person thinks I am but when I look around at NCAA basketball, it seems to be expanding post-season participation. Same with college football adding to their playoff. NFL added post season teams with a 7th seed recently. MLB recently expanded also. NO ONE is cutting back on post-season play. They are all expanding. Motivated by money, sure but no one is going the way of contracting post season play.

17 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I will continue to push my narrative until the IHSAA gets it right. They haven’t since 1984.

The second they seed the sectionals accordingly a qualifier is sure to follow. 58-2 top half vs bottom half. 

I would say it's more likely seperate public/private tournaments follow a qualifier.

52 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

A format that allows Pike Central and Washington to play in the first round while Oak Hill and Guerin play in the first round is a travesty. Pike Central and Washington don’t belong in the tournament to begin with, let alone have a favorable first round match up. 9-0 Oak Hill playing a top 10 Sagarin opponent in round 1 while two of the worst teams in 3A squaring off against each other (Pike Central & Washington) is a travesty.

Make it make sense 

I feel like you the vast majority of people on this thread disagree with what you're putting out there but I do appreciate your confidence in continually believing you're right. Keep up the good fight. I personally would like to see the sectionals seeded, no rematch games in the first round, and private schools in their own tournament but I'll probably never see it. I feel like I'm ok with things not being the way I want all the time.

20 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Exactly. Glad Pike Central won a postseason game at the expense of Mount Vernon or Ben Davis/Brownsburg or South Putnam or Oak Hill.

Make it make sense.

What does Pike Central have to do with anything? In your format, the Mount Vernon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, South Putnam and Oak Hills lose to good teams in the first round anyway. Only good teams would be allowed to play in the tournament so only good teams lose in the first round of the tournament. Your issue really is, you don't like that Pike Central won a game in the tournament. Not that those other teams lost.

No one in 6A from what I've seen.

32 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I understand the issue of not playing a game because of safety ... e.g., being undermanned.  I understand pulling your starters and resting them.  I understand letting your junior guys or the guys that don't typically play a lot getting in to get some reps or minutes or potentially even the bulk of a game.  I don't understand canceling a game against an opponent "just because." 

I'm not sure if it was a bad blood situation and it was just safer not to have the teams play/meet ... similar to the issue with LCC and Seeger many years ago ... that I would totally get. 

Sounds like the qualifier created a game that held no meaning.

3 minutes ago, 812FB said:

Sure you're gonna get complaints. Which makes sense. But are they somewhat fair seedings?

To be fair, I don't follow wrestling at all. I just know what I hear from wrestling coaches and they would say, No. They don't feel they're fair. I personally have no idea.

I know when I look at the sectionals that are in our area, if I were to seed them using the Sagarin ratings, it seems pretty fair to me. Maybe not perfect but it looks pretty good and I feel the best two teams would be there at the end.

3 minutes ago, 812FB said:

OK, I'm hearing a complete lack of faith in a committee of coaches seeding IHSAA's football tournament but are cool with 15 coaches seeding the entire IHSAA's wrestling tournament? That just doesn't make sense to me but whatever.

Again, I'm Switzerland when it comes to this stuff. But I've got to admit, relying on a single computer ratings system (CRS) isn't something that I would want to happen. Especially when there are at least 3, that I know of, out there to use right now. And all three of them have flaws. The one CRS, in my opinion, that has the most glaring flaw (Sagarin) is the one that is being pushed or used for an example makes zero sense to me. I can't get on board having that system determining whether or not a school like Evansville Harrison is either playing this Friday or watching. I might get on board if a average rank using the combination of the three are used but that's just me. 

I've never heard anything positive when wrestling coaches talk about how their tournament is seeded. That was actually what popped in my mind when it was mentioned here.

16 minutes ago, 812FB said:

A lot of talk about Sagarin to solve a complex problem.

Could someone please explain to me why a computer ranking system would be used over a committee of coaches when determining seeding and/or qualifiers?

I would agree with everything that was said so far and also the speed in which the match-ups would be set. If we have the IHSAA set up a committee of coaches to seed the tournament, we wouldn't have the results until March.

12 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

What a bizarre statement. Are public schools in the 48 other states who have qualifying formats not inclusive enough?

If we get to that point, and that's a huge if, the next step would be a qualifying format. If the sectionals were seeded accordingly after the conclusion of the regular season, there would be second half running clocks in 85% of the first round games. The first round would then become unnecessary. This is precisely why the sectionals aren't currently seeded, the IHSAA would have no leg to stand on as to how to justify why 100+ games in their postseason had mercy rules enacted. It'd be a bigger laughing stock than the current all-in. 

Would 6A and 5A be subject to qualifying also or are they absolved since they already eliminated the 1st round for those classes?

2 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I don’t know what you do for a living. But I think we can rule out “psychologist.” 😉🤣

Proctologist.

Just now, Footballking16 said:

What a bizarre statement. Are public schools in the 48 other states who have qualifying formats not inclusive enough?

If we get to that point, and that's a huge if, the next step would be a qualifying format. If the sectionals were seeded accordingly after the conclusion of the regular season, there would be second half running clocks in 85% of the first round games. The first round would then become unnecessary. This is precisely why the sectionals aren't currently seeded, the IHSAA would have no leg to stand on as to how to justify why 100+ games in their postseason had mercy rules enacted. It'd be a bigger laughing stock than the current all-in. 

85%???

If that's the case, just go the BCS route and pick two teams from each class to play at Lucas Oil and be done with it. 1 vs 8, probably a running clock. 2 vs 7, we could see a running clock. 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 wouldn't. Those would be competitive. And again, those 7 and 8 seeds have probably see a running clock before. The seniors on that team probably aren't going to ever play again. Let them play.

We play in sectional 40. If we seeded this sectional with sagarin ratings, Mater Dei and Crawford County would be a running clock for sure. North Posey and Mitchell might get to a running clock late. Perry Central and Forest Park I don't think would. Forest Park played North Posey really well during the regular season and I think that would be competitive for awhile. Paoli would play Tell City. I think that would also be competitive. 

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

Again, I have yet to come across a scenario where an 0-9 team would have qualified for a hypothetical playoff that effectively cuts the field using Sagarin at the conclusion of the regular season. Not saying it hasn't happened once upon a time way back when or couldn't happen in the future, but understanding how Sagarin works, the only way that scenario is plausible would be if a 1A or 2A team played a predominantly 5A and 6A schedule (all quality competition) and kept the score reasonably close. 

If we know anything, the tougher your schedule is, the more likely you're to be rewarded by Sagarin. If anything, that would be an incentive in trying to qualify for a postseason berth. 

I was explaining why someone would have an issue. As mentioned, if the purpose is to give more importance to the regular season, a 0-9 team making the cut goes against that. Probably wouldn't happen, I get that. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone has a problem with high school kids playing games. Let them play. Absolutely zero reason for the state to limit who gets in post-season play in only football. I do feel like many on here have a private school attached to their name. Maybe it's because they live in a world where exclusion is more common. Public schools take them all. Maybe that's where the mind set stems from. Either way, I'd love to see the sectionals seeded after week 9 is complete using Sagarin ratings. Seems easy enough. 

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

Why would that be a problem if every team you played was a class or several above you?

I think the issue is, as an earlier post mentioned, the reason would be to give some more value to regular season games. Well if a team can go 0-9, then what was the value?

5 minutes ago, 5GetsYou1 said:

Just curious, is this an argument to qualify for the tournament or just for it to be seeded? There seems to be a bit of both sentiments in the comments. I think seeding is probably a good idea, but all teams should still participate. Keep in mind several conferences that cover 3 different classes, a 1A school might be getting beat up by bigger schools and then make a run in the tournament. 

I agree. Not sure why there needs to be a qualifier. No other IHSAA sport has a qualifier for post-season play. I feel like we forget these games are for the kids and not necessarily for the fans that think every game should be a contest of epic proportions. Seed them so the best teams get the most games. I have no problem with that. I do wish they would have a rule where there are no rematches in Round 1. We play so few games, just play someone else.

4 hours ago, WWFan said:

I feel like the only person who thinks Providence will win 48. Should be a good sectional. 6 teams ranked in top 5 of sargain for 1A. 

You're not alone homie.

Mitchell at Paoli

Tell City at Crawford County

Perry Central at Mater Dei

Springs Valley at Providence

West Washington at Eastern Greene

Silver Creek at Jennings County

Scottsburg at Corydon

North Harrison at Southridge

Charlestown at Salem

Brownstown at Brown County

Clarksville at Eastern Pekin

Week 10 Match-Ups:

Mitchell at Paoli

Tell City at Crawford County

Perry Central at Mater Dei

Springs Valley at Providence

West Washington at Eastern Greene

Silver Creek at Jennings County

Scottsburg at Corydon

North Harrison at Southridge

Charlestown at Salem

Brownstown at Brown County

Clarksville at Eastern Pekin

Standings Through Week 9:

cloudofdust, JQWL, Bluejacket1-58

salemalumpres, SenatorFan-57

WWFan, IUFan-56

boolerfan87-55

PCFan1996-54

Sparks-48

PirateForLife-46

Clarksville at Crawford County

North Daviess at Springs Valley

Paoli at North Knox

Perry Central at Mitchell

Salem at West Washington

Eastern Pekin at Charlestown

Providence at North Harrison

Scottsburg at Brownstown

Silver Creek at Corydon

Week 9 Match-Up

Clarksville at Crawford County

North Daviess at Springs Valley

Paoli at North Knox

Perry Central at Mitchell

Salem at West Washington

Eastern Pekin at Charlestown

Providence at North Harrison

Scottsburg at Brownstown

Silver Creek at Corydon