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Congratz to Seymour and BNL for share of the HHC title! 
 

Congratz to JC on much improved program! Good to see them competing!

even tho the conference remains down- I do enjoy seeing parity in the conference. Good luck in the tourney to all HHC teams!

On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 9:14 PM, Coach Jayme Comer said:

Congratulations to Coach Moore. The Owls knocked this out of the park! 

Thanks Coach Comer - and congrats on your new role at Danville! Make sure you give Poole a hard time :) Team Indiana alumni

Seymour board approved the hire of Tyson Moore as the new head football coach at Seymour High School. Moore was the offensive line coach at Seymour last season and this will be his first head coaching position. Moore has spent time as OL, DL, Strength and Conditioning roles. Moore has spent time coaching at Anderson University as a grad assistant, assistant OL coach at Centre Grove HS, and recently 1 year as Seymour OL coach.

Well, looks like Seymour is hiring another young first time HC. Any coaches out there- be ready for another opening in 2-4 years....smh.

Well, Seymour is headed back to rebuilding while they are currently rebuilding lol. We can’t keep a coach here. 
 

Kelly is out- agreed to move to HSE to be their new head coach. Moving to a more target rich environment. Disappointing really, but not unexpected. 
 

it seems the going rate for Seymour coaches is 3-4 years, then get out while you can. 
 

hiring new coaches, or at least good young ones seems to be a bad model for Seymour. Spend 3-4 years building rapport and use as a springboard to bigger program. It not working. Shattuck to the new power in the north at Elkhart, and now Kelly to HSE. 

18 hours ago, GV5 said:

Obviously this pick happened due to something outside of records. Maybe he assisted somebody back in the day. Because Seymour has never been better than average.

Coach Kelly is a stand up leader of men. Seymour fan here and I can tell you that records don’t speak to this coaches ability. Seymour is starved for talent, size, athletes and has gone up a class to 5a due to a 38% Hispanic rate (overall) which we don’t get the benefit of added players. It’s a tough place to be competitive. With that being said- Kelly has done about as good a job as anyone could.

we hate to see him go, but understand the move to a more target rich area. He’s a no nonsense, do your job kind of coach.

10 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

It’s official Madison is leaving.

http://www.wbiw.com/2020/02/05/madison-leaving-the-hhc/?fbclid=IwAR0Bk1bJxDI4tTNEZD9MFY7i4maWYjchJ6SU-T06PS8YkDTPKqZzA14LHpc

 

Rumor is Seymour is out when another conference opening is found. What's going on with the conference?

Rank all teams 1-317

Drop the lowest 100 (qualifier)

Divide up rest into 4 tourney's based on rankings.

That's competitive balance.

On ‎11‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 8:02 AM, nlc123 said:

I think the program should be really good.  One of the top 10 biggest schools in the state, good demographic for football, only real competition (size wise) is Penn.  No reason they shouldn't be a top team year in and year out.  

Now, from what I'm hearing, they basically have their minds set on the Central coach who is ten games below .500 for his career and (I believe) has never won a championship.  I think he's done a good job at Central but I have to believe there would be many big time coaches interested in this job.  

Shattuck took an 0-10 Seymour team and turned them into 8-4 in 4 years (with really nothing to work with). Prior to that, coached up in Michigan with the same scenario with same result. He's a good one, but yes he is "young". I'm looking forward to see what he can do.

2 hours ago, DanteEstonia said:

How was the JV this year? The freshmen team?

From Seymour perspective, these 2 programs have the most upside. They blew out Seymour JV - not even close.

Seymour Freshman team was 5-2 Beat everyone but BNL and Floyd - neither game was close. BNL and Floyd have a good pipeline.

3 hours ago, Payne said:

Franklin 42 Seymour 0 Final

Half time score was 35-0 so presumably running clock for the entire second half.

Running Clock start of 2nd half - thank god lol. Franklin is the most well balanced team we've faced. Considering going to the New Pal Vs Franklin game next week.

HHC teams 0-4 versus non-HHC teams. Good luck to Floyd or Jeff in the Regionals!

7 hours ago, Fkfootball said:

He’s a Junior. A lot of our key guys are Juniors.

He's bound to be getting D1 looks. Good luck in tourney play, I think this is one of better teams I've seen from Floyd. 

17 minutes ago, Fkfootball said:

Your defense is tough. I didn’t like the holding penalties on what would’ve been a few more Wenkers TDs, but that’s football. Good luck in the Sectional. 

Thanks- but I think we need a little more than luck 🙂

i thought is was pretty even penalty wise, but yea- he had another 65 yarder called back. 

Praying this cat is a senior???

1 hour ago, Fkfootball said:

FC 21

Seymour 14

Final

 

Didnt care about margin coming into this. We never win there. Getting out of there with a win is huge. 7-2. 

Floyd RB - wow that cat is fast! Broke a 95 ya touchdown and made it look like everyone else were standing still lol.

was a fun game to watch- Seymour 4 turnovers doomed them as well as not being to cover a pass- still.

After seeing the conference- it would surprise me if Floyd doesn’t win the sectional. 

37 minutes ago, Olympian06 said:

I would love for #11 from Madison to be on East’s team! That kid has the speed and heart. Loved watching him play tonight when he got the ball. 

Humes is a freshmen- and team indiana Select last year. North tried there best to recruit him, and almost had him. Would look better in Purple tho- just what we need- an athlete lol.

29 minutes ago, boilerfan87 said:

BNL (2-6 overall, 2-3 in HHC) at Jeffersonville (3-5 overall, 3-3 in HHC)

Madison (1-7, 1-4) at Columbus East (6-2, 5-0)

Jennings County (3-5, 1-4) at New Albany (3-5, 2-3)

Floyd Central (6-2, 4-1) at Seymour (4-4, 3-3)

 

You certainly have to wonder if the weather was a player for Seymour last week in being able to stay so close with East. They started out the season well, then have struggled since. Seymour is a tough place to play, especially for the Highlanders. This one could go either way. The same can be said for BNL/Jeff. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go either way. And while I'm at it, you can't count out JC sneaking up on New Albany. I think the East game is the only sure fire thing this week! Good luck to all teams and stay healthy heading into the tournament. 

Senior night at Seymour - so emotions will be high. Not sure whether this helps or hurts the Owls ( i would assume it would help as they have notoriously come out slow all year). It's all going to depend on which Seymour team shows up.

3 minutes ago, Lysander said:

I don’t know how many times I have to state the obvious but, folks, WE CAN’T EVEN AGREE TO SEED THE TOP 2 TEAMS IN SECTIONALS.

Now we are actually having a conversation about enumerating every single team 1 through 320?

 

 

 

You are correct. I think they CHOOSE not to seed based on how the pairings come out historically (disrupts the ping pong balls :) ). What I'm discussing is how can we change the entire system to have more competitive play.

5 minutes ago, JustRules said:

I've always thought the all-in random draw format was the worst possible format out there. Then TIFootball comes along with a state championship from the bottom 64 teams in the state using some type of ranking. That is definitely worse. I'm glad he/she came around to the qualify and split option instead. Not great but better than his original option.

There is no issue with overlap from one class to the next. It happens in NCAA as well. Not all D1 teams are better than D2 teams and not all D2 teams are better than D3 teams. There is overlap there as well. That's why I think enrollment is a good starting point. It puts teams into general categories. The success factor then does some adjustments for the top programs but also allows for corrections. It could be optimized, but in general I think it does a good job.

I'm a fan of a qualifying tournament but ultimately I don't care that much about it. At the end of the season most of the kids who played HS football had very positive experiences and good memories. 10-20 years from now they'll remember the good times and learn from the bad times. I do challenge everyone to tell friends and family outside Indiana about the all-in random draw process, and I doubt any of them will say, "wow, that's a great and creative way to do this." They will most likely think you are kidding and nobody would ever come up with a system like that.

Thanks for your input JustRules. I'm not sure where random all in came from, but it's a conversation starter. The end goal is to have meaningful tournament play and even out the competition. As Cathedral gentleman pointed out, and rightfully so, the bottom 1-2 "splits" could easily be cut. The remaining are split off by some power ranking (Not Saragin, it was a first glance at ANY ranking system). I believe some variation of this would be better than the current point based factors.

4 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Chatard is 8th in Sagarin and 4th in CalPreps.  They would be in 6A.  Brebeuf and West Lafayette would be in 6A.  East Central, East Noble and Delta would be in 6A.

Lewis Cass and Pioneer would be in 5A playing the likes of Columbus East and Penn.

Current 5A Munster would be playing 1A Spring Valley per Sagarin for the 1A championship.  

No more excellence like we have witnessed in 1A like the Pioneer, LCC, Sheridan years.

Yeah......sign me up!

4 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Keep in mind - as Ive stated, this is first look and the fomula would need to be improved to catch some outliers

ye of little vision :)

Conversation has evolved - keep up lol !

34 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Ultimately, this would likely be the start of a non all-in tournament.  If you've ever seem some of these travel team baseball tournaments where teams play pool play Thursday, Friday, Saturday and then qualify to play in the trophy bracket or a consolation bracket based on pool results, it's not unusual to see teams in that consolation bracket "no show" on Sunday rather than stick around another night in a hotel to play in that bracket.  If there's a blue/red ring available at LOS, then they would likely stay and play, but I could easily see a scenario where LOS Thanksgiving events come down to a single day featuring three/four games as opposed to the two-day event that it is.  I'm not sure how much traction that would gain in Indiana; especially given the sampling from folks on GID.

interesting theory - and yes, I've seen it in elite middle school football tourneys the same way. However, I don't think this would be an issue for high school team sports. If a qualifying system is used at the end of the season, it would remove the bottom teams from tournament play. I don't think we need to cut it in half, but the top 4 possibly. And if the general consensus is to have all teams play in tournament, I still think its more competitive for a power ranking system than current format.

6 minutes ago, MarshallCounty said:

After a few years, you could get a good feeling of what schools would be borderline.

That's very true - good point. Most teams have conference goals and "intentionally" losing and risking conference losses - some may I guess.

2 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I think where @Footballking16 was going with this is that, if you had an all-in type tournament that started by taking the top teams and placing them in a Gold level, just for naming purposes and to get away from enrollment classifications, and the next in a Silver level, and the next in a Bronze, by the time you got down to the Lead level you'd be dealing with a division that would have a lot of 0-fer and 1-fer-2-fer teams that would be in that division and you have them playing all the way up to Thanksgiving and occupying a time slot at LOS Thanksgiving weekend.

So maybe a better option is to qualify, then split. I can support that.

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

When you have a tournament with the worst 64 teams in the state and one is ultimately crowned a state champion, your postseason is watered down

I see your point - but it gives them something to play for - call it the Toilet Bowl if you like - but it's competitive - even a watered down version.

Or do a hybrid of selection qualification with the power rankings - then it would be more like Illinois model. I'd entertain that. 

3 minutes ago, MarshallCounty said:

If I am a borderline team, what is stopping me from playing younger players the last two weeks to give them experience and resting my starters. In a round about way, they are intentionally losing so that they would be a 2a school rather than a 3a school. It would help the young players get playing time and let the older kids be 100% healthy for a tournament run.

how do they know they are a borderline team? I would doubt the ISHAA would post tournament rankings throughout the season. Keep in mind I'm not saying the end product is the Saragin ratings, just a good look at A ranking system.

2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I totally get that. But you're going to kill off the rooting interest of Indiana high school doing it this way. You're going to be crowing 2-3 state champions a year who have no business being in a postseason tournament to begin with and you're going to completely water down the level of play and excitement. Teams like Dwenger and Chatard are usually good enough to be in the top 32 of Sagarin and would play in the best tournament, but they would have no virtual shot of winning a title due to numbers. It's not fair to either of those successful schools.

Classifications are based on enrollment for a reason. Obviously there are some teams who are vastly better than others of similar size, and the ones that are get promoted to the next level. It's the fairest and most practical way to keep competitive balance alive. 

Once again, I'm just looking at Saragin as a first look tool - would need to be improved to catch outliers

I understand your point, but don't totally agree. So if I understand, you think we should go to a qualifying metric and not include all teams in tournament play? I could support that.

I do not agree that anything gets watered down more than it already is. For some, I can see where they would think that after being power houses in lower class for years (SF does help - but only to a point). I would argue the opposite. I think it would bring more competitiveness as teams could compete. Would the lower class be a watered down version of Indiana football - sure just as it is now, but the upper echelon of teams would make for 2-3 highly engaging tournaments.

Enrollments are manipulated by recruiting and open enrollment - time to end the manipulation.

3 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Correct.

There should never be a tournament where a successful school like South Adams has to play against a school like Penn, which would be the case this year if the tournament was based on Sagarin rating and not enrollment. If South Adams become too successful, they should be promoted to the next flight of competition playing against with 500-600 kids. Good thing we already have this and it is known as the success factor.

They absolutely could beat Jeffersonville, but that doesn't mean Brownstown should have to play in a tournament with schools like Dwenger, New Pal, and Cathedral simply because they're better than Jeffersonville.

Keep in mind - as Ive stated, this is first look and the fomula would need to be improved to catch some outliers... However, They wouldn't according to Saragin and the cut off of each tourney. Heck, New Pal is one of the top teams in the state and would play in the "6a" tourney. Matter of fact, Dwenger, New Pal, and Cathedral would all be in the top tournament. Brownstown would be playing in the "4a" tournament.