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10/31/14 was terrible. It was freezing with 40-50 mph winds. Several games in the region were moved to Saturday. At merriville the goal post looked as if they were gonna blow over. Couldn’t throw or kick. It was a miserable night

Illegal motion

2 hours ago, RetiredOfficial03 said:

Here is a look at the assignments..... 

One crew was replaced that was not eligible out of nowhere today.  You will see there is still one crew who should not be this far. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Purdue Pete said:

Ur right.  Was loss of down.  So if he wasn’t trying to avoid a sack then it was the right call.

Was his arm hit? Was he trying to throw it further to someone else but had people hanging on him or was he under pressure and just threw it to an area with no eligibles? 

This comes up every year but what I see is that more and more people are controlling what they can control. They can control if they continue to officiate or not. The game is losing more and more officials for 100’s of reasons. This Terrible system shouldn’t be one of the main ones. We have too many smart people in place not to fix this. No one in their right mind would sit down and come up with this system if they were starting from scratch.  Fix the problem. You can’t say it’s always been done like this or if you don’t like it don’t apply because we won’t sustain the numbers and quality if we continue. What’s the point of trying to get better if it’s not recognized? Why put in extra work if it doesn’t pay off. That doesn’t make sense. We know it’s a popularity contest and the officials that only work football are at a great disadvantage. We have so many tools in place to make officiating in Indiana stand out in a positive way. Let’s figure out how to make that happen

On 11/9/2020 at 6:58 PM, Yuccaguy said:

"Running Clocks" are now done from this point on in the tournament.....  just an FYI  

Or not

On 10/25/2020 at 12:34 PM, Bobref said:

It is kick catching interference for the kicking team to touch a free kick that has not been grounded, regardless of whether a member of the receiving team is in a position to make a play on the ball, unless the kick was touched first by the receivers.

”Pop-up kick” is actually a specifically defined term in the rule book. 

“A pop-up kick is a free kick in which the kicker drives the ball immediately into the ground, the ball strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of a ball kicked directly off the tee.” A pop-up kick is illegal.

I take it you are referring to a kick that has never touched the ground, not a pop-up kick as defined.

NFHS uses the term popup kick as a kick that is driven into the ground and bounces up. For years the term was used to describe a “sky” kick that never touches the ground as described in the OP. I’m not sure how the rules makers decided what to call it but I know the term can be confusing for many. When I hear pop up kick I think of the one up in air not the one described in the rule book. I see I’m not alone

On 10/10/2020 at 7:58 AM, Coach Gilbert said:

Ruling?

situation

Team A kicks off to Team B.  Receiver catches and runs, defender knocks ball out of receivers control, ball intercepted by kicking team and player runs 25 yards for touchdown.

on field, Ruling 1:  ball is dead when fumbled, kicking team does gain possession.

then there is a meeting of the minds as the officials spend 6 minutes discussing

 

on field Ruling 2:  touchdown

which is the correct rule? I was puzzled as I thought you could not advance a free kick 

15 minutes ago, Coach Murray said:

Can an illegal shift be declined?  Other team was flagged and the result of play was a tackle for loss.  We wanted to decline but were told we couldn't.  Should it of been blown dead?

Yes. It’s a live ball foul and can be declined

5 hours ago, JustRules said:

Just to add some fun to this, if the ball is recovered behind the neutral zone after being touched by R beyond the neutral zone, K still has all their original options. They can run, pass, or kick the ball. If they run or pass it will still be their ball on the next down because of the touching by R beyond the neutral zone (assuming no other change of possession happens). For example, if the person who recovers throws a pass that is incomplete, it will be 1st and 10 for K at the previous spot! This is assuming the extremely unlikely scenario where K doesn't have ineligible linemen downfield and the pass is thrown beyond the neutral zone. If that happens R would accept the penalty enforced 5 yards from the previous spot and replay 4th down.

This is often discussed and debated among officials and a good rules quiz question but extremely unlikely to occur.

I don’t like the “if touched my R part” without clarifying. If R touches beyond the Los  K recovers the kick behind the LOS they can do whatever they want still. If K recovers the kick behind the Los they can still do all of the above but need to reach the like to gain

1 hour ago, oldtimeqb said:

I would be curious your opinion on the mechanics of this 4th down play and subsequent measurement.

https://www.14news.com/video/2020/09/04/central-vs-memorial-fourth-quarter/

Play is at 3:30 mark of the video. 

Run by QB. Ball spotted by umpire. Referee picks it up and runs it out to the wing to be re-spotted.  Then the chains are brought in and first down is gained by less than a link. 

I thought it looked pretty good I was expecting something really bad but this looked pretty good   I also expected the next down to be snapped from the hash but they actually moved the ball back to where it should of been

On 4/9/2020 at 5:11 PM, Wedgebuster said:

As a general rule, I say DUDES play defense.  Pure Athleticism rules the day on that side of the ball (Not that disciplined play and technique can't raise a players ceiling considerably).  Offense is about execution, you can get away with lesser athletes on the OL with good coaching.  Look at all the mid-round guys that the New England Patriots have played with on the OL over the last 20 years.  

Can’t use the Patriots has a repeatable example as they had the greatest O/-Lone coach in the history of football. Follow the money and the money is on the D-Line/Edge

6 hours ago, Bobref said:

Big changes to the MLB playoff process are being proposed now. What does that have to do with Indiana high school football? It just confirms something that some of us have been saying for years.

If you want to make the regular season games more exciting, ignite fan interest, keep people and teams engaged to the greatest extent possible, you take steps to make those regular season games more meaningful with respect to post-season opportunity. MLB has obviously realized that changing the playoff protocol is a legitimate and effective way to do that. In order to make regular season games more meaningful, they are proposing changes that would keep more teams fighting for more playoff spots. It would increase playoff participation from 10 to 14 teams. The stated purpose is to make the stakes for regular season games higher, to make for more competitive games, greater "buzz" and, of course, the increased revenue that flows from that. 

This teaches us that the most sophisticated minds in sports see using the playoff structure as a way to improve the regular season … just what we should be doing in Indiana with at least playoff seeding, and better still, a playoff qualification format.

I have to respect that somewhere you have a valid point because I know how intelligent you are but trying to make a correlation between mlb and high school football doesn’t make any sense in my opinion. MLB is trying to keep as many teams in the playoff picture as long as possible hoping that not only does it generate more attendance sales in September but also makes the people who already paid for tickets attend the games and spend money. Also teams want more playoff games because of that extra income. 

On 1/13/2020 at 9:07 AM, Indian72 said:

Clay may be hard to fill since who knows what the SB schools are going to do as far as buildings etc.

Jimtown is surprising since they could pick up a couple of kids who do not want to go to the new, bigger, Elkhart and could play at J'town.  Interesting not much seems to be happening

 

Looks like Clay may interview a dozen or more for the job...so it seems it won’t be that hard to fill 

3 hours ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

1.  The South Bend City Government has nothing to do with the School System.

2.  South Bend has always bucked trends or reinvents the wheel.

3.  There is a vote today to allow a charter school to share a building with a high school.  Don't really see that as progressive.

oporation.

When South Bend closed your school maybe they started the trend. 

2 hours ago, FormerCoach said:

Why would Keith Kinder leave a 2 time sectional championship team/school with great facilities, awesome support, large fan-base, full time strength & conditioning coach on staff, etc. to go back to Jimtown which has numbers dwindling and community apathy for the sport?  Baugo has CHANGED since the glory days and the one's there KNOW it, but the one's still living in the past can't accept it.

Have the facilities at Mishawaka changed that much to say they are great? Where do they practice? Is it in that same grassy knoll area next to the stadium? The stadium is awesome with the video board and all but last I saw the practice area wasn’t what you would call great?

1 hour ago, Major said:

53 for NFL.... 75 for high school is plenty. 

Devil in the details. Nfl does not have 53 players on the field. Look again 

17 hours ago, jets said:

Ok just so I’m clear- there is holding behind the line-of-scrimmage. But if the ball is thrown and in the air, and our LB just hits the intended WR or RB who is waiting on a screen- then no foul?? 

Meaning he can “block” him not tackle him without the ball. Not hit high or with the helmet but can push him down or out of the way

On 11/24/2019 at 12:22 PM, Impartial_Observer said:

IHSAA Baseball tournament uses 3 at the sectional level all the thru the state finals. Softball uses 2 at the sectional level and goes to three at the regional level. Softball does not have enough officials to use three in the sectional. More officials than you might think work both softball and baseball tournaments. For instance my sectional partner turned down a fifth state baseball final in an attempt to get his first softball final. 

Baseball goes to 3 at the sectional level and they haven’t worked 3 man mechanics usually the whole year then baseball goes to 4 man at the state finals and some have never worked 4 man

14 hours ago, Bobref said:

For that matter, you could do it in the 1st or 3rd quarters as well. I can honestly say, however, I’ve never seen it in a high school game. And if people start to do it, you can be sure the word will get around, and the Referee’s index of suspicion will go way up.

There is for sure a coach that does this (False start on purpose before the rule change)but the first part of the question I think threw off some including Bob. Correct me if I’m wrong but by rule the game clock does not start after a delay of game penalty no matter what part of the game it is??

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

Yes, it’s especially hard to understand how 5 officials missed it. A crew is a team, and penalty enforcement falls on every member of the team. It only would have taken 1 crew member to speak up and save the crew. But too many officials turn their brains off and just leave penalty enforcement to the guy in the white hat.

Penalty enforcement needs a lot of help. Way to many obvious mistakes made

31 minutes ago, Bcaster said:

I need a refresher on blocked FG’s. Can they ever be advanced by either team in HS football. Does it make any difference if the kick crosses the LOS or not? Whether it hits the ground before being touched or possessed? Crosses the goal line?

Just one of those very rare Football events where you think you know the rules until it happens & you realize you’re probably going more on assumptions than facts. 
Thanks in advance!

They same as a punt except you can score points.
If the kick crosses the goal line it’s dead. 
k can recover behind the line of scrimmage and advance it but they must reach the line to gain the touching by r behind the NZ during the kick is ignored (as in first touching)

if the ball crosses the NZ and is recovered by K it’s dead at that spot. 
if R muffs it beyond the NZ k can recover but not advance but it will be a first down for K

1 hour ago, slice60 said:

Saw this tonite. As QB pulled away from nearly being sack, he used the ball to steady himself putting it on the ground momentarily & then the QB avoided a few more tackles for a nice gain. Many of the home fans around me erupted yelling "He's down! The ball touched the ground!" 

In an effort to be helpful (lol), I told the closest fans they were completely wrong. One guy told me to go sit on the visitor's side. I pointed out that none of the home team coaches seemed to be arguing that call -- a timeout had been called so they had time to argue if they wanted. He didn't accept that rationale either.

Anything other then your hand or foot...that is part of your body...the ball is not part of your body so play on...

40 minutes ago, Esso Ayche said:

First and ten on the A 40 yard line.  A-28 fumbles at the A 45 yard line and B-56 scoops and scores.  On the ensuing two-point try, A's game ball is still in play and the pass from B-9 is thrown well high and wide of the intended receiver by several yards.  The QB immediately points out to the official that the ball was not B's.  The officials quickly retrieve the B ball and each team lines back down to replay the try.  In the confusion the A sideline assumes there was a pre-snap whistle or some other issue that stopped the initial try and they are waiting on a signal and/or explanation from the officials.  Things move quickly and before anyone from the A sideline gets the attention of the officials for clarification the try is replayed successfully with B's ball.

My gut says the try should be left as no good and move along to kickoff; it's B's responsibility to get in their preferred game ball... too bad, so sad.  Is there anything about protesting the use of the wrong ball after the fact and getting to replay the down? 

 

No

2 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

We were dangerously close to this last week, one USC away. I posted on a FB group. I have not been able to find any specific rule reference, other than R's restraining line must be 10 yards beyond K's LOS. One tip I found was to use the chains to set R's restraining line. 

The obvious applies, if the ball touches the GL it's a TB. If the ball doesn't go 10 yards K can not recover unless touched by R. 

I think the best option is for K to decline the yardage of the last one or 2 and have the ball placed where they can recover an onside kick. If I’m K I’d rather free kick from the 14 let’s say I dint know the exact yardline but then you can recover a onside kick and if not it might be onside the 5. If not the dribble it is the best option