Wedgebuster

Huge loss, Coach W seemed like a huge mover of the needle at Northridge. 

Always a difficult and awkward scenario.  Some Admin teams seem to handle it flawlessly and other times it seem to get messy. 

Does this make it harder to hire the next coach?   You would think that S&C job is what a lot of football coaches would be interested in. 

Games with names are undoubtedly the BEST! 

Is there any precedence for a "this sport only" conference?  

Is it travelling distance or is it schools trying to justify kids getting home so late at night for a JV tennis match on a Tuesday?   

Wasn't Pike's Coach assigned something like "K-12 Physical Education and Athletic Development Coordinator"?  

Essentially like a "Math Coach" or "Writing Coach" position that you see at some schools.  A former teacher who now instructs the teachers of the district how to teach those subjects more effectively. 

What is the correct call here?  

8 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

Teacher raises are completely negotiated by unions and admin. There's no formula. Each school also gets a share of the TAG (Teacher Appreciation Grant) to dole out with stipulations. Pay scales are no longer in effect in most districts. Wayne Township, for example, did away with its scale in last contract negotiation. You start at a base rate and then raises are negotiated. So, where ever you were on the scale, that's where you are now. In Wayne Township, new teachers are locked at the bottom until raises (if any) are negotiated.

Coaching pay is set by the extracurricular amounts negotiated by the union in Wayne. Teacher salary + coaching amount.

That's true that raises are negotiated but when I left Indiana teacher raises could only be negotiated from "New Money" and with the bulk of funding being linked to enrollment, effectively you had to be in a growing district to have a chance at a raise.

Has that changed?  

What is the Teacher Appreciation Grant?  Is this less than a few years old? 

What is the coaching salary at a Mt. Vernon or New Pal like compared to Warren or BD?   The formula for how teacher raises are tied to student enrolled is probably more important.  If you're a teacher and not at the top of the pay scale, the only place to be is in a growing school district.

How some of these young teacher coaches keep making it work at schools where enrollment is stagnant or heading in the wrong direction beats me.   Imagine being hired in at $34K then being told that the only way to increase your salary is if enrollment increases and "New Funds" become available.  

1 hour ago, Grover said:

Don't drop to the old hate/envy argument.  There's rational thought to the animosity.  Public schools have to accept pretty much everybody in their school district.  In today's world it is difficult to find an acceptable way to word it but let's just compare the percentage of students participating in extracurriculars at private vs. public schools.  Public schools have a much larger percentage of students who simply show up.  They contribute nothing to the school system EXCEPT increasing the enrollment and (in the sports world) bumping the school up to a bigger division.  Is that controlling enrollment?  No.  Is it a huge advantage for the privates?  Absolutely.  Does that mean I hate or envy the privates?  Not even a little.  My wife's family is a Ritter family.  I have many friends from Roncalli and Cathedral.  I've also been involved in highly competitive youth football for 20 years and crediting the success of the privates to the CYO league is avoiding the obvious.

THIS!

Grover hit it on the head.  A private school that has 650 kids legitimately pulls athletes from that full number.  Public of the same size often has 250 of those kids "eliminated" by socioeconomic reason, home life reason, general apathy, etc.  

Just an acknowledgement that we aren't comparing apples to apples here, and shouldn't be trying to would go a long way.  

How many "GREAT" Indiana football coaches made their names at private schools before moving on to a select public school job?  How many times has it been done the other way around?  

35 minutes ago, DT said:

Im not for this in any way, shaper or form.

Every school has an oipportunity to be successful in football.  Some simply choose not to be   They dont make the necesary investments to reap the rewards on the field.

We cant help those who refuse to help themselves.

If Munster and Lake Central decide that based on their demographic and socio economic circumstances that they are betting off investing in girls sports, golf, swimming, cross country, tennis and soccer, then so be it, that is their choice.

Therer is a Hobart and a Lowell to offset every Munster and Lake Central.

Portage can be a 6A power again if they decide that is what they want to do.  

 

 

I would like to hear DT's ideas on just how a school could make this "decision".  I've read enough of his thoughts on the general investment that schools must make in football to be winners year in and year out.  I would love to hear some of our thoughtful posters ideas on just how this "decision" can be "made" by a school system. 

1 hour ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Exactly 😂

Do you agree with that logic TigerFan?  

My question is why is it that way?  

If two teams have the same record and one won the head to head match-up, what's the argument for having co-champs?  That the loser of the head to head beat another team that beat the team that beat them?  

Am I correct in thinking that for some reason head to head doesn't matter in conference title races?  6-1 is 6-1 even if you won the head to head match up? 

If that is the case, is that the way that is SHOULD be? Lets hear some arguments on either side. 

9 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

on this day, my vote would be for LT Blake Fisher, Avon High School. 

 

I contend he is as important and dominant player than those 3 tremendous offensive skill position players listed right there as well and I wouldn't blink twice if any those kids won it, but Fisher is what the "yutes" say these days, IS A DUDE.   

JR year tape:  He goes to steal your soul on each punch he throws.   

http://www.hudl.com/v/2CLCp3

 

 

That Punch 😳 .....the finish 🤩

I would think that many an Indiana HS would really like that coaching record leading their program, BUT....I do appreciate you trying to drive conversation.  I just don't see it happening with Coach Barron.

Will he move on from Plymouth?  Definitely has the resume to go and get a job.  Where would he be a good fit? 

9 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

My weekly uneducated picks for the halfway point in the season!

Goshen (1-0) @ Concord (2-1): The only chance the Redhawks have at staying undefeated is if all of Jake Field goes up in an inferno and the game gets cancelled (not postponed to Saturday morning). Minutemen should win this one easily before next week's showdown at Mishawaka. Concord by 24

Mishawaka (0-3) @ Plymouth (0-4): Quick - who at the beginning of the season would have thought this game would be a battle for each team's first victory? No one??? What a shocker. However, the Cavemen have played a far more and away better schedule and have been in every game. All 3 losses by an average of 5 points. The Mishawaka offense can score points; the Rockies on the other hand... cannot. Will Coach Barron's seat ever get RED hot in Plymouth? At most they'll win 2 games this year. Mishawaka by 21

NorthWood (1-1) @ Wawasee (2-2): After scoring 73 points in their first 2 games, the Warriors have only mustered 7 points in their first two conference games. Even though the Panthers have played 2 less games, that Black Crunch defense is STOUT. This could be a low scoring affair, but you have to score points to win a game. NorthWood by 16

Warsaw (3-1) @ Northridge (3-0): Game of the week this week in the NLC. This will truly be a litmus test for both teams as I do not think either team has faced a "good" team, although Mishawaka, Michigan City, and SB St Joe are far from bad teams in my opinion. Easily the Tigers and Raiders will be the best oppenent either has seen so far. As easy/simple as it sounds, this game will truly come down to who makes the least mistakes. While Northridge has a fantastic defense, if Warsaw can execute Bart Ball on offense (no turnovers, no/few penalties, no 3rd and longs) like they did last week against Huntington North and Mishawaka, there is no doubt the Tigers will put points on the board. But how will the Warsaw defense play? Time and time again, they continue to give up big plays. I truly do not remember a season in which I've seen so many 20+ yard plays given up by the Orange Crush defense. I'll take the home team in what should be a great game. Northridge by 11

The idea that a coach would be on the "hot seat" after playing a very good New Prairie team to a 1 TD game in the Sectional Championship game, THE YEAR BEFORE! is somewhat ridiculous to me.  

I'm up here in Michigan with all of our own "interesting" ways of dealing with this virus.  Can someone tell me what the definition of a "Covid Contact" is in athletics.  The line from the governor's office up here is that in regular everyday life its "15 minutes of being within 6 feet or less".  

Well that literally never happens in a football game, even if you add up all the time of O and D-line contact in a game its not 15 minutes.  Yet your seeing entire programs shutdown over 1-2 cases.  Contact tracing......I get it, but what is their metric for a "contact"?  

Did anyone see Ohio's plan of shuffling sports seasons around to play the sports with more built in "social distance" first? 

Fall:  Boys and Girls Tennis, Boys and Girls Golf,  Softball, Baseball, Boys and Girls Track, 

Winter: Normal

Spring: Football (start season March 1,  regular season begins March 22, Playoffs start in lat May) Soccer 

An out of the box plan, but I would take it to be able to let all the kids play!

On 4/12/2020 at 12:17 PM, Huge Football Fan said:

Can’t use the Patriots has a repeatable example as they had the greatest O/-Lone coach in the history of football. Follow the money and the money is on the D-Line/Edge

  Well lets just use that logic then.  You pay people that you can't readily develop........in this case special defensive athletes. 

As a general rule, I say DUDES play defense.  Pure Athleticism rules the day on that side of the ball (Not that disciplined play and technique can't raise a players ceiling considerably).  Offense is about execution, you can get away with lesser athletes on the OL with good coaching.  Look at all the mid-round guys that the New England Patriots have played with on the OL over the last 20 years.  

7 hours ago, Muda69 said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30452873

 

Interesting article

I've always had this thought, but until reading that article it had always just been anecdotal.   Seen it happen many times on turf, personally experience in college (had a defensive player thrown into my legs while engaged in a block, foot stuck, knee gave) 

Related question for the Forum......how many of your team's O-Lineman wear some sort of knee brace and who supplies that for them?  

Has anyone noticed any higher occurrence in knee or ankle injuries on turf?  Seems to me I've seen more players get their foot "stuck" in the turf (combination of great cleats and a great playing surface) and the first thing to give is their knee or ankle. 

We adopted the stretch of main roadway that leads into our town.  Michigan Highway Sign lets everyone know that our Football team cleans that stretch of roadway.  

We cleaned all the weeds and small trees that were growing under our stadium bleachers, weeded and edged the landscaping around our school, etc.  

Didn't take long to do, trying to get the kids to develop some pride in where they are from.