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3A in the far south looks pretty straightforward. They are really clustered pretty well together.
Corydon
North Harrison
Salem
Scottsburg
Charlestown
Madison
South Dearborn
LawrenceburgSouthridge
Heritage Hills
Mt. Vernon
Gibson Southern
Princeton
Pike Central
Washington
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Coach Kling was 20-11 in 3 seasons at Triton Central. That's a pretty solid run. It looks like a good hire for Mitchell.
It doesn't appear as though there are any other changes in either conference. Who returns the most? I think I recall that WW was pretty young last year. Could they be the early favorite for the PLAC or does Paoli bring a lot back. SV was good as well. Do they return that talented QB?
Can Brownstown repeat their championship performance? Does SC return enough to challenge Brownstown? That was SC's only loss in the MSC last year. Scottsburg had a nice year last season. Charlestown graduates an All-American at o-line. But they are always tough.
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19 minutes ago, Basementbias said:
Could this be handled like Wrestling Team Dual State & girls Wrestling? Meaning the tournament & season is ran through the coaches association and not IHSAA? Big problem would be enough officials available.
Possibly. But as mentioned below, the IHSAA was discussing it to make it a sanctioned sport. Does that mean they'd handle it?
1 hour ago, coachkj said:Not sure if there is anything to it......
In the thread, someone had posted a screenshot from the IHSAA minutes to discuss it.
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12 hours ago, HoopsCoach said:
Using approximate counts from what Frozen said, this would be a relative look at a class break down with 32 in 6/5A and 63 in 1A-4A. This also does not include adjustments due to the success factor.
6A
1 Carmel 5327
2 Ben Davis 4557
3 Warren Central 3845
4 North Central (Indpls.) 3709
5 Fishers 3611
6 Hamilton Southeastern 3430
7 Pike 3387
8 Penn 3345
9 Elkhart 3294
10 Avon 3248
11 Noblesville 3220
12 Lake Central 3211
13 Franklin Central 3206
14 Brownsburg 2983
15 Crown Point 2923
16 Lawrence North 2833
17 Center Grove 2754
18 Westfield 2611
19 Homestead 2502
20 Carroll (F.W.) 2472
21 Southport 2379
22 Perry Meridian 2373
23 Portage 2269
24 Lawrence Central 2245
25 Zionsville 2233
26 Columbus North 2219
27 Lafayette Jefferson 2153
28 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 2111
29 Jeffersonville 2099
30 Warsaw 2087
31 Fort Wayne Northrop 2080
32 Harrison (West Lafayette) 20795A
33 Valparaiso 2063
34 Whiteland 2012
35 Merrillville 2003
36 Decatur Central 2001
37 Chesterton 1995
38 Goshen 1980
39 Castle 1933
40 South Bend Adams 1917
41 Hammond Central 1904
42 Fort Wayne Snider 1872
43 Floyd Central 1854
44 Anderson 1837
45 Plainfield 1810
46 McCutcheon 1807
47 New Albany 1787
48 LaPorte 1756
49 Hammond Morton 1729
50 Concord 1689
51 Evansville North 1687
52 Bloomington South 1655
53 Terre Haute South 1650
54 Seymour 1604
55 Bloomington North 1592
56 Mishawaka 1584
57 Terre Haute North 1575
58 Franklin Community 1571
59 Munster 1568
60 Columbus East 1534
61 Michigan City 1526
62 Fort Wayne North Side 1513
63 Kokomo 1488
64 Greenfield-Central 14744A
65 Huntington North 1442
66 Muncie Central 1437
67 Northridge 1410
68 Pendleton Heights 1409
69 Bedford-North Lawrence 1391
70 Mooresville 1391
71 Fort Wayne South Side 1385
72 Fort Wayne Wayne 1379
73 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1375
74 Richmond 1315
75 Martinsville 1284
76 East Central 1264
77 Evansville Reitz 1264
78 Hobart 1264
79 Logansport 1252
80 Gary West Side 1226
81 Greenwood 1186
82 Jennings County 1180
83 New Palestine 1162
84 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1135
85 Shelbyville 1133
86 Evansville Harrison 1124
87 Columbia City 1108
88 East Chicago Central 1107
89 Indianapolis Roncalli 1081
90 DeKalb 1080
91 Plymouth 1079
92 Indianapolis Cathedral 1073
93 Lowell 1068
94 Kankakee Valley 1055
95 Evansville Central 1051
96 New Haven 1047
97 East Noble 1042
98 Jasper 1038
99 Marion 1036
100 South Bend Riley 1030
101 Highland 1021
102 Indianapolis Shortridge 1015
103 Lebanon 1001
104 New Prairie 985
105 Connersville 981
106 Beech Grove 968
107 Leo 963
108 Northview 955
109 Wawasee 945
110 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 928
111 Silver Creek 911
112 Indianapolis Washington 906
113 Frankfort 893
114 Boonville 879
115 Northwood 879
116 New Castle 875
117 Jay County 871
118 Brebeuf Jesuit 841
119 Western 838
120 Culver Academies 832*
121 Mississinewa 808
122 South Bend Saint Joseph 806
123 South Bend Washington 801
124 Edgewood 800
125 Angola 793
126 Norwell 790
127 Delta 781
128 South Bend Clay 778
3A
129 Evansville Bosse 776
130 Hanover Central 763
131 Yorktown 763
132 Danville 759
133 Franklin County 756
134 West Lafayette 752
135 Guerin Catholic 740
136 Washington 738
137 Madison 736
138 Hamilton Heights 731
139 Corydon Central 730
140 Vincennes Lincoln 722
141 Charlestown 717
142 Greensburg 716
143 Lawrenceburg 715
144 Scottsburg 715
145 Batesville 707
146 Gibson Southern 703
147 West Noble 698
148 Crawfordsville 695
149 Mishawaka Marian 690
150 South Dearborn 689
151 North Harrison 687
152 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 667
153 Rushville 656
154 Twin Lakes 655
155 Owen Valley 650
156 Peru 650
157 Mt Vernon (Posey) 643
158 Bellmont 641
159 John Glenn 636
160 Tri-West 624
161 Calumet 622
162 Heritage 615
163 Heritage Hills 615
164 Fort Wayne Concordia 610
165 Griffith 609
166 Northwestern 605
167 Maconaquah 604
168 Garrett 602
169 Princeton 596
170 Indian Creek 591
171 Jimtown 582
172 Lakeland 578
173 Purdue Polytechnic (23-24) 563
174 Tippecanoe Valley 561
175 Evansville Memorial 556
176 Knox 551
177 North Montgomery 549
178 Fairfield 543
179 Speedway 543
180 Woodlan 538
181 Monrovia 531
182 Salem 531
183 Oak Hill 526
184 West Vigo 525
185 Centerville 517
186 Rensselaer Central 517
187 Boone Grove 516
188 Southridge 515
189 Pike Central 512
190 River Forest 511
191 Western Boone 511
2A
192 South Vermillion 509
193 Benton Central 508
194 Frankton 507
195 Bremen 502
196 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 502
197 Brown County 501
198 Christel House Manual 501
199 Evansville Mater Dei 496
200 Heritage Christian 496
201 Cascade 495
202 Hammond Bishop Noll 493
203 Alexandria 492
204 Rochester 492
205 Blackford 489
206 Eastbrook 489
207 Southmont 487
208 Brownstown Central 483
209 Whiting 482
210 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 481
211 Manchester 479
212 Lapel 477
213 Greencastle 475
214 Sullivan 472
215 Bluffton 471
216 Wabash 471
217 Triton Central 461
218 Eastern (Greentown) 455
219 Tipton 454
220 Mitchell 451
221 North Posey 445
222 North Putnam 444
223 Tell City 440
224 Indianapolis Scecina 439
225 Wheeler 436
226 Prairie Heights 432
227 Switzerland County 428
228 Northeastern 425
229 Eastern (Pekin) 419
230 Delphi 418
231 Central Noble 417
232 Whitko 417
233 Crawford County 415
234 Shenandoah 415
235 Lewis Cass 411
236 Elwood 410
237 Andrean 408
238 Winchester 405
239 Paoli 401
240 Churubusco 397
241 Clarksville 395
242 Union County 393
243 Perry Central 392
244 Lake Station Edison 388
245 LaVille 388
246 North Knox 388
247 Eastside 387
248 Seeger 387
249 Winamac 387
250 Linton-Stockton 386
251 Forest Park 383
252 Eastern Hancock 379
253 Park Tudor 378*
254 South Spencer 3751A
255 Parke Heritage 368
256 Adams Central 366
257 South Putnam 359
258 North Newton 358
259 Clinton Prairie 353
260 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 352
261 Madison-Grant 352
262 Taylor 352
263 Carroll (Flora) 337
264 South Adams 334
265 Hagerstown 332
266 Sheridan 329
267 Knightstown 328
268 Providence 327
269 North Judson 323
270 Eastern Greene 321
271 Monroe Central 320
272 Milan 318
273 Pioneer 313
274 South Central (Union Mills) 313
275 Cloverdale 312
276 Riverton Parke 311
277 North Decatur 301
278 Lafayette Central Catholic 296
279 Covington 294
280 Fremont 291
281 North Daviess 286
282 Wes-Del 286
283 Bowman Academy 285
284 North Miami 285
285 Tecumseh 283
286 Fountain Central 275
287 Northfield 273
288 Cambridge City Lincoln 272
289 North White 272
290 West Washington 268
291 Springs Valley 264
292 South Decatur 260
293 Triton 258
294 North Central (Farmersburg) 257
295 Culver 255
296 Clinton Central 252
297 Southern Wells 252
298 Union City 246
299 Anderson Prep Academy 241
300 Southwood 240
301 Caston 234
302 Tri 234
303 Tri Central 233
304 Edinburgh 227
305 Indianapolis Manual 225
306 South Newton 225
307 Indianapolis Lutheran 224
308 Indianapolis Tindley 219
309 Tri-County 218
310 North Vermillion 213
311 Frontier 196
312 West Central 196
313 Dugger Union 193
314 Rock Creek Academy 176
315 Attica 170
316 Traders Point Christian 124
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12 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:
With Jeffersonville now back in 6A, I wonder if the sectional will shrink to four teams or if they will pull someone else in as the fifth team. Probably depends on who’s in 5A once the IHSAA determines who’s moving up and who’s moving down due to the success factor.
Agreed, there could be a lot to impact it. It may also depend if they decide to keep 34 in 5a again. For now, I see sectional 14 and 16 remaining the same, minus Jeff for 16. But depending on who gets in 5a, it could impact 14 with a possible additional team. I don't think there is anyone far enough south to add to 16, unless they wanted to bump East to it. It's just my opinion, but the all HHC sectionals just aren't as much fun.
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I saw this topic discussed some in a thread about a school shutting down their program for the time being and wanted to see if anyone had any additional info. According to that thread, 8 man football was on its way in Indiana. A few questions...
When will this start?
Which schools will be participating?
Will they have their own state tourney?
I think it is a great thing for the state and for smaller schools who may not have the numbers for 11 man football.
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How many are in each class currently? We could do a rough estimate of who's in each class.
Also, if these are numbers from the fall count day, will they be accurate come the spring count day? And does the IHSAA use the spring count instead of fall? All the online schools and COVID stuff have made enrollments wacky at a lot of places. And spring enrollments in some places see bigger jumps after parents get tired of online school in the first semester.
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7 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:
According to the new Department of Education enrollment numbers that @HoopsCoach posted in another thread, here are the enrollment numbers and rankings within the state.
29. Jeffersonville - 2,099
43. Floyd Central - 1,854
47. New Albany - 1,787
54. Seymour - 1,604
60. Columbus East - 1,534
69. BNL - 1,391
82. Jennings County - 1,180
Jeff, Floyd Central, Seymour, and East all experienced some growth.
New Albany, BNL, and Jennings County all shrunk. I understand why Jennings County shrunk but what’s the deal with New Albany and BNL?
Are they going up the hill to Floyd since the hoops team is now better?? 😆
Kidding. Mostly... But that is really interesting. Just a few years ago, New Albany was over 2000. Floyd's enrollment seems to have been pretty steady around 1800. Looks like that sectional in 5a will remain pretty similar.
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2 hours ago, Old Man High Pants said:
1 - If a team wants to play them out of conference that's one thing. Being forced to play a team year after year knowing you're going to win isn't going to do much for your program. Take East Central out of the equation, adding Jennings County and Madison now gives a team like Lawrenceburg two more games that won't do anything for them in the playoffs.
2 - I think the Mid Southern would be a good fit for them. They're a small 4A school and may be 3A here soon which would fit well with that conference.
1 - I agree, but if the EIAC expanded to enough teams, they wouldn't necessarily have to play all teams in the EIAC. With the big school/small school split, they could stick to playing the teams they have to play in their division and playing whoever outside of that. Realistically, it's all hypothetical anyway because I don't see it happening.
2 - I also agree, but that is disappointing to hear what Frozen said about denial, at least for the time being. I do get it. Before Clarksville's exit, they only had 1 out of conference game and that was tough to schedule. Or at least the schedules were very locked in. Perhaps conference members enjoy the flexibility of 2 out of conference games.
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1 hour ago, Old Man High Pants said:
Both were talked about a few years back, not sure how serious those talks were. Lately Madison has come into the discussion among the ADs again. And Milan! Which to me would be even dumber than bringing in Connersville and Rushville.
If you added JC & Madison without dropping Connersville and Rushville, those 4 schools would be competitive with each other. South Dearborn already plays both schools. They could be competitive with FC and, Greensburg and Batesville at times as well. No one in the EIAC is really competitive with EC or Lawrenceburg right now.
Milan and Madison make sense from a location standpoint as well as the fact they are both independent, so it could make scheduling easier for both. Milan, though a very solid 1a program, is still a small school for that conference. Then again, they already play 4 EIAC teams plus Madison.
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17 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:
Would you want Jennings County and Madison in place of Rushville and Connersville? I believe both Madison and the former North Vernon High School were once part of the conference. JC and Madison both seem to be a better fit for the EIAC these days than they do (or, in Madison’s case, did) the HHC.
Didn't JC try a few years back? Either they were denied or decided not to go forward. Or was it Madison was denied because JC didn't want to make the move and the EIAC wanted balanced divisions? That seems familiar. At least geographically speaking, I think it makes sense. JC would be the second largest school in the conference, I believe. I think Madison is enjoying their independence and freedom to schedule as they want. However, their week 1 opponent this year is the 5a defending state champ in Kentucky that would probably have beaten East last year, so there is a little irony in their new schedule.
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Looks like a great hire by JC. Best of luck to Coach V. Thanks for all the info, Tundra.
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1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:
Conferences are a confederation of schools. The IHSAA has no role in the creation of or regulation of conferences. Plus, almost every school in the HCC or the MIC is in either one of the two largest football classes and the largest class in other classed sports. Why use what's happening between these two leagues as an excuse to breakdown the rest of the state's conferences? You think a team of mostly Class A schools cares about the MIC or HCC?
I say it for 3 reasons.
1 - The potential ripple effect this could have. It could lead to a scramble of conference moves and changes from the 4a-6a level. That would impact nearly half the schools in the state as is. I'm not saying it will happen to that extent, but it is likely to effect more than just the MIC and the HCC.
2 - Conferences have been altered around the state over the last several years with schools moving in and out of conferences in order to be more competitive (from 1A-6A). Schools could stop seeking so many different moves if the state made a move to districts. It would level the playing field to a certain extent. You would only be required to the play the schools in your district that would have a similar enrollment. Then you could schedule games out of district that fit the competitive status of your school. You could redraw districts every 2-3 years and that would take into account changes in enrollment.
3 - It would give an objective measure to seed the playoffs. How'd you finish in your district? That determines your seed in the playoffs. I am not saying a qualifying playoff, you could still do all-in with this.
My disclaimer as always - I don't actually think it would happen. It's too much change. But I do think it makes a lot of sense.
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5 hours ago, HHF said:
Conference championships are the ceiling for the vast majority of schools in the state. A small number of schools, both pp and public, dominate the post season year after year.
Without a conference title to pursue, or without conferences to hold schools together athletically, we lose rivalries and lids lose something to play for.
You can still win a district championship. It's essentially the same thing without the history of the conference behind it.
1 minute ago, Staxawax said:I’m trying to figure out if this is a serious statement. There’s only 32 teams, so show me a sample schedule that doesn’t involve more than 100 miles of travel.
This is a regular thing in other states. I'm not saying it's right or good, but it is typical. 5A/6A squads in western Kentucky have to travel 2+ hours for district games or playoff games. It happens a handful of times a year.
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1 hour ago, foxbat said:
Districts is the Texas model ... among others. With that said, the reason that Texas has qualifications is not because it has a district model, but because it currently takes until this weekend that Texas will hold its state finals ... and that's WITH only taking the top four teams out of each district. Some of the Texas districts have 10 teams in them.
Their post season, after a 10-week season, started November 11. Could you imagine if they played an all-in tourney? That would take them in to next year.
Yes and for Texas that makes sense. I still don't see why it couldn't work here. I think there'd still be a fair amount of teams that would play that would have played in conference anyway and if you had a rivalry from a conference, you could keep it if they weren't in your district.
Indiana could still do districts and not do all in.
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18 minutes ago, HHF said:
Thats for states that have qualification based playoffs. Thats not the Indiana model
But why does it have to be? A district set up gives teams a much more flexible scheduling model. If everyone makes the playoffs, why does it matter how your regular season is configured? But if we do move to a "top 2 are seeded" type of look that has been proposed, such a setup would lend itself to an easier way to do that.
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I say this is another great opportunity to abolish conferences and go with districts based on enrollment. That setup can be half of your schedule and then the rest can be scheduled to fit your program.
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21 hours ago, RetiredCoach91 said:
Is Jeffersonville now looking for a new coach? Listed on JH http://scoreboard.homestead.com/football/coachingchanges.htm#loaded
Any news or information on this situation?
Any news out of Jennings County Coaching Search?
Trying to learn more about the Southern part of the state's football schools!
I saw that on JH, too. I have not heard anything, nor seen it from any source down here. JH did accidently put Jeff on that list last year. You couldn't blame Coach Parker. He is a full time Jeffersonville police officer (maybe a higher ranked guy?). I'm sure that was a tough thing to balance. He has done a nice job with bringing discipline to the program.
I know nothing on the JC search.
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Eastern Greene HC position is posted on the IDOE. It is under the "Miscellaneous" tab.
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Not alone in last place! 🤑
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9 hours ago, Olympian06 said:
1000000000000% last pick of the year..
Cathedral by 42!
Also, a big congrats to New Albany. Haven’t had a team from the HHC go this far in a long time (outside of East). Congrats on a great year.
Agreed. Hats off to Coach Cooley & Co.
But you pose a good question. Who has made it that far besides East? Seymour in 99 (who also lost to Cathedral in Semi State)? That's it, it would appear. That would make NA just the 2nd team besides East to advance that far.
But yes, give me Cathedral this weekend.
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I said this last week but I was wrong. Last pick of the year?
New Albany at Cathedral
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Last pick of the year??
New Albany at Bloomington South
Hoosier Hills Conference
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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They had upwards of 30 seniors on that team that went to semi-state. Many of them had been starting since they were sophomores. They had a lot invested in that group and it paid off. They will be very inexperienced this year.