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    Chicago Teachers Go on Strike to Demand Higher Pay, Smaller Class Sizes, New Schools, More Staff, and Affordable Housing

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    23 hours ago, Muda69 said:

    https://reason.com/2019/10/18/chicago-teachers-go-on-strike-to-demand-higher-pay-smaller-class-sizes-new-schools-more-staff-and-affordable-housing/#comments

    Ms. Lightfoot is correct.  The government teachers union asking for affordable housing for teachers and students is asinine.

    As the first comment to this story states:

     

    Chicago teachers are required to live within the city limits.  They need a housing stipened or change the residency requirement

    Interesting Article

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    Poor Schools Can't Compete With Richer Suburban Rivals. Should They?

    The New York Times Timothy Williams,The New York Times 11 hours ago 

    A scoreboard displays a 28-point deficit as Hoover High School competes during a home game in Des Moines, Iowa, Sept. 6, 2019.(KC McGinnis/The New York Times)DES MOINES, Iowa — An hour before kickoff at a game this month at Hoover High School, the opposing football team, Indianola High, pulled up and unloaded the large video monitor that would let its coaching staff analyze plays, moment by moment, throughout the game. The coaches at Hoover High, where most students qualify for free or reduced-price meals, would have to make do with watching the old-fashioned way. Another loss, a Hoover student told the principal, seemed imminent.

    Indianola ran 84 yards for a touchdown on its first play, the running back shedding Hoover’s smaller players like a video game villain. The game ended in a 35-7 loss for Hoover, to no one’s surprise.

    During the past decade, Hoover High and Des Moines’ four other large public high schools have a cumulative record of 0-104 against rivals with more affluent student bodies from the Polk County suburbs, according to figures compiled by The Des Moines Register. They rarely do any better against similar opponents from beyond the county, like Indianola. The disparity has been the topic of news articles and impassioned conversations across the state, from Sioux City to Davenport.

    With all that losing, leaders in places like Des Moines are contemplating a change in how high school athletic teams are matched up against one another: What if the poverty level of a school’s student body was used to decide which teams it played?

    The concept, now in use or under consideration in numerous American states and cities, turns on its head old notions of athletics as an equalizer. The thought of intentionally lumping poor schools into lesser divisions, separate from richer schools that have fancy equipment and larger and more specialized coaching staffs, rankles some educators, who say it sends a terrible message.

    “Our kids don’t want to be classified as poor kids who have to play lower-level competition,” said Mitchell Moore, a coach at Roosevelt High School in Des Moines. “I’m a big believer that socioeconomics has nothing to do with catching a football.”

    But at Hoover, where losing has gotten exhausting for players and fans alike, moving down to a lower division would be a welcome relief, many parents and students say. The idea of judging teams based on wealth may sound distasteful in concept, but the reality of losing night after night, year after year, feels far worse. And schools with extra resources for special training and technology, they say, simply do better on the field — so why not acknowledge that in the matchups?

    “On just about every Friday night, they outsize us, they outman us, and they outnumber us,” Sherry Poole, Hoover’s principal, said about the suburban powerhouses on the school’s schedule that routinely win state championships. “Your heart just kind of stops whenever someone gets crunched.”

    Dustin Hagler, a 17-year-old senior who plays on both the offensive and defensive lines for Hoover High, and is also the senior class president, said that he saw students in the hallways who would make good football players, but that they consistently resisted his recruiting efforts.

    “It’s hard when you lose,” he said. “But it’s not just losing. It’s almost like you feel beat down. Like the odds are stacked against you.”

    Over the past few years, officials overseeing high school sports in states including Minnesota, Oregon and Colorado have added provisions allowing schools with high poverty levels to drop down to lower athletic divisions. Washington state will introduce the idea next year, and Iowa is considering it.

    Schools are commonly assigned to athletic divisions based on their enrollment, and Hoover, with more than 1,000 students, has long been placed in the state’s top athletic division, competing with the largest of Iowa’s public and private high schools. Its traditional rivals include city schools with relatively high poverty rates, but also suburban schools that have won the past nine state championships.

    Ways of gauging poverty levels vary, but state athletic officials typically rely on the percentage of students who qualify for free or reduced-price school lunches. At Hoover, about 75% qualify, compared with about 10%, on average, in neighboring suburban schools. At Indianola High, Hoover’s opponent on that recent game night, about 21% of students are eligible for free or reduced-price lunches.

    The debate over whether economic status should have a place in deciding a sports team’s competition has been fierce. The issue has led to awkward conversations among school administrators, parents and teammates, raising questions about fairness and the meaning of high school sports.

    Supporters say the approach, intended to give poorer schools a better chance of winning games, will help students gain confidence. They also say it could reduce the risk of concussions and other injuries against teams with more expensive and elaborate training resources and access to better nutrition.

    “We don’t feel like we are coddling these students; we feel like we are trying to put them on an even playing field,” said Peter Weber, executive director of the Oregon School Activities Association, which oversees high school athletics. “We need to match kids up with competition that is safe for them so they can walk out on a field and be competitive.”

    But others, including many coaches, say the change adds new barriers for impoverished students, and suggests they are too weak or too poor to compete against richer rivals. Why, they ask, should students’ athletic potential be limited by their parents’ bank accounts? And some opponents say tinkering with long-standing athletic matchups in an attempt to even the odds is a way of babying young people — a “medals for everyone” mentality that undermines lessons in resilience and grit.

    “They’re out there making do with what they have, and that’s the right thing to do,” said Gabe Murray, 19, a former Hoover football player.

    Tom Farrey, executive director of the Aspen Institute’s Sports & Society Program, said the sports achievement disparity between wealthy suburban public schools and their urban counterparts has degenerated into “a competitive gap that is similar to the income gap” in the nation.

    “The divide has always been there,” he said, “but it has widened.”

    The disparity, experts say, is meaningful beyond the world of athletics because sports participation has been found to aid in academic success and college admissions, and is a predictor for professional success.

    The discussion comes at a critical juncture for youth sports, where participation rates for many activities — particularly football — are in decline because of fears about brain injury and because children’s interests more than ever fall outside engagement in traditional sports, according to studies.

    For the moment, switching leagues is not yet an option in Iowa, where the Iowa High School Athletic Association is scheduled to discuss the issue later this year. If a request by the Des Moines Public Schools and other districts is approved, Hoover and other schools could apply to drop down a division.

    Historically, the imbalance in high school sports has been between public schools and private schools, which are often able to recruit students and offer scholarships.

    In Iowa, which has comparatively few large private schools that excel in sports, tension has centered around disparities between public high schools that have similar enrollment sizes but very different student demographics.

    Thomas Ahart, superintendent of the Des Moines Public Schools, said students in the district must often work after-school jobs to support their families, which prevents many from participating in sports.

    Ahart and others have pointed to the correlation between schools that win championships and how few students qualify for free or reduced-price lunches.

    Across all Iowa schools, the percentage of students who qualify for such meals is about 43%, while Ahart said Des Moines’ dominant suburban sports schools have rates around 7%. In Des Moines public schools, about three-quarters of students qualify for free meals.

    “There’s a real issue of equity of opportunity, and the foundation of the problem is tied most directly to poverty,” he said. “Even if we do everything right, the chances of us getting a victory is slim to none.”

    Farrey, from the Sports & Society Program, said he believed more effort should be made by schools to encourage students — whatever their skill level — to play sports, instead of focusing primarily on winning and competitiveness.

    “Kids do sports because they are looking to do something larger than themselves,” he said. “It’s not about whether you win. Sports are fun.”

    But in Des Moines, high school football has not been much fun in recent years, some players said.

    Kyle Fischer, whose son, Jerad Fischer, is Hoover’s quarterback, said wealthier schools have an undeniable advantage, so moving Hoover to a lower league would simply be recognizing that truth. He said that neither parents nor schools should be ashamed of trying to give their children the opportunity to compete equitably, including wanting kids to avoid sustaining injuries while playing against bigger, stronger players.

    “They need to look at fairness across the board,” Fischer said. “I don’t believe in coddling kids, but the kids are just not getting the same opportunities.”

    This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

     

    © 2019 The New York Times Company

    NIC Week # 6

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by LaSalle Lions 1976

    7 minutes ago, johnny U said:

    Is there just 5  varsity teams in  the ICCL presently?  It seems as though in the past every parish school had a team.  This might account for the drop in talented players.

    Right now there are 5 teams and one is a Christian based program out of Elkhart for a total of 6 teams

    There are problems getting enough players to field teams.

    NIC Week # 3

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    3 hours ago, Indian72 said:

    The gate from CMA fans is not that much different from some SB schools when you play them if they are having a tough season.

    Arguing that point to me is a moot one because winning draws.

    On the reverse Freed Field is not packed with Penn fans weekly like it was 20 years ago either

    Any one know of anything in today's paper there is a comment about the Riley - Adams game and at the end it says the students involved in the incident last week will not allowed at the game.

    Any one know anything?

    There was an article about a post saying that only Adams-Riley students could attend the game tonight which was incorrect but guess raised some eyebrows.

     

     

    I know that Riley students can only be admitted with their IDs.  Don't know about Adams

    NIC Week # 3

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    22 hours ago, FormerCoach said:

    NIC is NOT what it used to be in terms of competition:

    Riley:  Never really relevant.

    Adams:  Has not lived up to the hype of their enrollment and their coach.

    Clay:  Should disband their football program.

    Washington:  Struggling to keep numbers.

    Marian:  Solid 3A program.

    St. Joe:  Failed to continue its success after the Downey Boys.

    Jimtown:  Sort of a fish out of water in the NIC.

    New Prairie:  SOLID football program.

    Penn:  In a class (6A) by themselves is never a good thing.

    Mishawaka:  LEAVING (good for MHS, not for the NIC).

    Bremen:  See Jimtown

    Glenn:  See Jimtown

    They hung their hat on being the largest conference in the state and I think they are regretting that decision from both a competitive and financial stand point.

    Just my 2 cents...which is actually worth 1/2 of a penny.  LOL

    I believe that changes will be coming to the NIC, but just not sure what changes those will be.  I am suprised that Penn doesn't have a Notre Dame like agreement with the conference in football.  That would give them more flexibility with their schedule.  New Prairie could be a good fit for the Dunland, but don't know if there is mutual interest. 

    The South Bend schools are traditionally more basketball oriented than the other sports.  Football, they usually have one good team that rotates between schools seasons.  The school times also pose a problem for South Bend.  For many weekday events, students must leave school early to participate, losing on instructional time.  At some point, I could see the South Bend school becoming their own conference.  Not the best of sollutions, but one that may happen out of necessity

      

    IHSAA slap down.

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    On 8/2/2019 at 8:23 AM, Temptation said:

    All opinions "matter" but some matter more than others.  While I see your point coming from a fan/alum standpoint, your time commitment to the program is a handful of hours per week.  You attend the games and cheer/support the team.

    Telling 15-18 year old kids who bust their asses all summer/fall that you are going to "play up" and take the risk of voluntarily getting spanked when other schools your size are competing for state titles is asinine.  Kids want to win.  Kids who bust their tails DESERVE the opportunity to win.  No disrespect intended to either program but if I am a student-athlete (you know the ones who are actually WALKING the front lines and PLAYING in the games here) and you give me the choice of playing against New Pal in the semi-state (a school of similar enrollment) or playing Carmel (a school double the size of mine) you bet your ass which route I am taking.

    Kids graduate.  Success varies at times.  You can't ask a group of kids to sacrifice a deep run because you want to "prove something" or "lose with honor."

    Do you work in education?

    Well in order to attain the ultimate goal of a state title you would have to beat THE 6A power of the south depending on whom it was going to be that year (Carmel. CG, BD, Warren).  Not saying Snider "couldn't do it" but the 6A state title game has been played long before the teams in Lucas Oil suit up on Thanksgiving weekend most often than not in recent memory.

    Facts are facts.

    I do work in education and coached football for a couple of years.

    I agree all players play to win, but they also play to get away from situations, have some structure in their lives, and to be part of something.

    Most of the kids that I coached needed a family more than a win.

    I guess that is something you can't relate to.  Sorry about that.

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    Artificial turf surfaces?

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by LaSalle Lions 1976

    6 hours ago, itiswhatitis said:

    Maybe I misunderstand what you are tying to say.  How is artificial turf and grass the same thing?  Grass fields usually end up with mud/bare spots, artificial turf fields do not.  

    School Field has artifical turf.  The others have grass.

    All the schools use School Field for some of their games.  Riley does play at Jackson Field and Clay plays at Clay field but all can use School Field

    NIC NEWS

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    41 minutes ago, SBFootballFan6 said:

    So today all SB school AD’s were fired and now the job will be a mix AD/Dean of students job. What they going to do next?

    Agreed...they have decided that high schools needed a third principal than a full time AD.  Does that mean Seabe Gavin's position will be elimated?

    NIC NEWS

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    25 minutes ago, Indian72 said:

    With 2 high schools under 925 in SB and the fact they are facing a $10M deficit in 2020 SB is going to have start thinking of closing or consolidating some buildings

    Maybe they could start by closing the corporation headquarters downtown and selling it and move into a shuttered school building

    The first thing is to combine Clay and Washington and moving them to LaSalle.  Minor renavations at most and it has held over 2000 students before.  I know, I was there

    Move LaSalle kids to Washington.

    I am not as familar with the elementary set ups so I don't know what to do with them.

    So you would have 2 5a and 1 4a with the high schools.

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