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14 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

I have no detail on the exact reasons....it feels a bit like a cop out....but again not fair for me to say not having much detail.

I was thinking the exact same thing.  I know for a fact that HH is going to take some lumps because of quarantine, against my judgement they played last Friday.  The way the HH program is approaching this, I believe, is young kids will get experience now, and this may pay dividends later in the season when everyone is back.  

17 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Southport can not come to GS and play week 4 for some COVID related reason of some sort.

I wonder how many of their players are out/affected for them to cancel a game??  You'd think a 6A school could absorb some of their players being out.

2 minutes ago, Sacked said:

So does TC have anything for SR in the small school division?

TC is hungry and it shows!! They play physical.  They are quick up front defensively. They have bought into what their coach is preaching.  They have been waiting on this class for years.  With that said, SR is still the better team.  But TC is much improved, and could very well be the favorite or at minimum co-favorite in the 2A sectional!

This is no excuse. Take nothing away from TC, they were physical and wanted the game......but you have to question what the HH AD was thinking here. A team loses 10 starters from last year, and is relatively young.  Then on game day, after 12 o’clock noon send four or five starting players home to quarantine, not to mention others. Why would you think it’s okay to send a team to play a varsity game at half strength?? It’s not fair to the coaches!  It’s not fair to those kids who didn’t get a weeks worth of #1 reps!  It’s not the best thing for Friday night lights!!  That said the HH youngsters never stopped playing.  Never quit.  AND learned a valuable lesson about what a Friday night is all about. 
 

Congrats TC on your win.  
I’m over the whole Covid thing

2 hours ago, Titan32 said:

211 Passing.  

Gotcha!!!  Somewhere it was printed 120 something.  I wasn't sure exactly.  Thanks for the clarification

14 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I see the comments about Whiteland and sure they might be a good Whiteland team....I’m just not sure it’s going to be one of those where they can name the score.  GS can move the ball and did so vs Columbus North. 
 

the problem GS had was they couldn’t stop the run....which is where Whiteland succeeds. 
 

don’t be surprised if this is a higher scoring game. Uphill battle for Gs for sure though. Can’t give up 300/400 rushing yards and expect to win lol. That just doesn’t happen 

Not trying to start an a spat over this, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Titans struggle offensively last week??  Like 120 passing and less than 50 rushing??  NOt sure that is moving the ball.  Just curious..........

Forest Park will pound Perry Central

NP wins big

HH-TC To close to call, but if I must I'll say HH.  HH gave one away it shouldn't have and TC thumped PC, should be interesting.

MV in a landslide

Pike just because they are a PAC school

Booneville-SR Another to close to call game, but if I must SR.  I give the edge to the Raiders because of the two, SR might have the better D

Whiteland  Sorry GS faithful I hate to go against the conference, but I think this is a very good Whiteland team!!

12 hours ago, TigerFan20 said:

Any insight on Jasper, heard they were big up front 

Not real big upfront, but do play physical up front.  Run the crap out of the option.  Do like to go vertical in the passing game.  Defense is so so I would say.  In my opinion, Memorial is the better team and wins going away.

I think GS thumps Columbus North!!  Being 6A does not equate to a good football team, and GS is much better than good.  AND someone please make GS vs Lburg happen week 2 at the Jewel.  Get Ol' Stinky Clown out of Stinky Town.  Show him some real southern Indiana hospitality.  That match up would be fantastic. 

17 minutes ago, HereComesTheBoom said:

I agree on both!  I was like a kid in a candy store just to be able to watch a scrimmage last weekend!  

I couldn't make the scrimmage.........work commitments, but I have watched film.  Looked pretty good.  I am ready to watch a real game this Friday BIG TIME!!  Be carrying around a hot dog ALL game long so I can be maskless!!!   I would hate for the officials to not clearly hear me!!!

The only thing I pray for is that we actually get to have the season!!  That we can watch games, watch these young athletes excel, give our communities something good to talk about and actually have some normal back into our lives!!  

PS  I think we all know that rankings this early are a joke!!!  

7 hours ago, Lysander said:

Got no personal investment in this whatsoever (my kids are LOOOOONG past their playing days), but just how QB Kyle Cheek of Chatard doesn’t even receive an Honorable Mention (maybe I misread or missed something) baffles me.  The kid didn’t get any mention in Coaches’ either.  Heck....I don’t think he got any post season accolades whatsoever outside of All-Conference.
 

This was arguably the most prolific scoring Chatard team, frankly, EVER and ended up ranked 3rd in the State (All Classes) per Maxpreps (personally, I think that’s correct, btw...but would have loved to have seen that Sr. class play New Pal like they did their Freshman year) and 6th overall per Sagarin (All Classes....5th in Predictor, btw) with an offense divided 50/50 between passing and running.....rarely playing a game that didn’t have a running clock (only 1 regular season game didn’t have a running clock).

I really feel like the kid got overlooked.

 

I agree with your thoughts completely, however I find it kind of ironic that 13 of the 24 listed players to make the AP team are from two sectionals. 

The only concern I have is this:  Most coaches want their 1s and 2s to at least have a possession after the half to "work" on adjustments etc.  If the clock is running from the beginning of the 3rd quarter on sometimes the young kids don't get many reps at all due to the fact that the second half ends very quickly.  With that said, maybe the mercy rule should be a 4th quarter thing only???? 

1 hour ago, reitzguy said:

I wish someone from 4A Boonville would get on here and defend their schedule. How can their schedule make you better, they PAC should have put them in the smaller school division and moved Southridge to the other division. Also if a stronger schedule doesnt do you some good why would Jasper and Vin come to the SIAC and dont give ne it was for the money reason.

Well it is  money mostly, but I would also assume that their fan base are hard core gamblers and they can hit the casino on road trips.................otherwise there was absolutely no reason for them to join the SIAC.

18 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

It will be interesting to see if we keep them.  What I’m hoping for is another close game whether GS wins this time and both programs agree this is a great matchup to keep.  
 

Truthfully I wouldn’t even mind if GS goes 1-3 to start the season as long as they are improving and playing the games close.  There is no hiding what GS is trying to accomplish here....it’s all about being battle tested heading into the playoffs. 

C'mon man you can't honestly expect me to believe that.  BECAUSE if you all started out 1-3 us folks from Lincoln City would be having a hay day with it!!!!!! 

I wonder if locale of some athletes hurts them also.  It seems that many of the smaller school athletes that get recruited are usually from the Indy area, maybe Fort Wayne or the Region.  I mean the QB from Memorial last year, Lindauer, only had a small D1 offer.  That kids could flat play.  Does the location of athletes' school affect them more so than the school size???

58 minutes ago, reitzguy said:

HH not a very strong schedule either.

That's what they said about our schedule this year and we went to LOS.  I honestly get so tired of hearing about SOS, and how that will get a team ready for the playoffs.  Coaches, the team, hard work, film study, health........that stuff gets you ready for the playoffs.  

I think in the end for HH it was just easier to keep their schedule with a couple of "old" conference teams versus sign a two year contract with a new team who might opt out later and leave you hangin'.

50 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Who is disagreeing that P/P's don't have some advantages over their public counterparts? But there's also certain advantages that publics enjoy over P/P's as well.

We've already established that higher participation rates, better parent involvement, and a phenomenal feeder program is something that schools like Cathedral/Chatard enjoy over their public counterparts.

But capping their enrollment to stay in a certain class (something you keep advocating) sure as hell ain't one. 

Okay I will put to bed the thought that P/P schools cap enrollment, but you can concur that from the outside looking in (non P/P parent) the perception was/could be there!!!  Almost like UK and Duke ALWAYS get the top recruits but then say “no we ain’t paying nobody”. Please don’t say I am saying P/P schools pay anyone, just an analogy!!

I would like however to discuss an advantage Public schools have???  Obviously athletic motivated please

24 minutes ago, tango said:

Nah, YOUR principal cares, but I can tell you with 100% certainty our principal could give a rat's a$$.  And every other Memorial person on the GID will tell you that statement is 100% accurate. 

Seriously??? I find that whole statement disturbing if true!! 

Okay this topic was supposed advantage of P/P schools!! I would say over 30% of your male student body playing football is an advantage!! 
And Lysander if you were to have a North Deanery school your class would be the Big 10 and you would be playing in a bowl game every year!!!

8 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I want to ask you some serious questions. How many elementary schools and Middle schools are in Heritage Hills schools system (I believe South Spencer County School system but not positive)? Do each of these elementary schools field a football team and play against each other or do they have a youth league? Does the middle school play against other school districts nearby? Do they run their Flexbone in the youth league or elementary school and at the middle school? 

 

Serious answers:

4 grade schools, yes all have a 5th and 6th grade tackle team.  They play each other and area schools.

1 middle school.  Middle school plays a nine game schedule against conference teams and two non conference teams both from 4A schools

The elementary and middle school team run the exact same offense and exact same defense as the varsity!!  The elementary may be more wishbone heavy, but still the same.

Serious question........how does this pertain to the advantage a P/P school has over a public school.  Heritage has been an outstanding program for the past 2/3 decades.  It has done it the right way with home grown coaches most of whom have played in the system and came back to coach!!  The argument here is whether P/P schools have more or any advantages when it comes to athletics vs public.  My answer will always be YES!!

17 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

That's why I said I wasn't going to convince you, just tell you you're wrong.

I'll take my own personal experience along with dozens of others over some emotionallcharged and butt hurt fan who just had their season wrecked by a P/P. I see this every year.

-P/P's don't cap their enrollments to remain in certain classes to pad their trophy cases

-P/P's don't take kids from all over the entire to line their athletic sidelines

-P/P's don't give scholarships out to their athletes

I've been on the GID going on close to 12 years and this type of stuff comes this time of year, every year, usually by the opponent of a team recently smacked by a P/P, namely Chatard or Cathedral. 

There are absolutely inherent advantages that P/P's enjoy over like-sized publics, namely participation rates and parent involvement, and I've never steered from that. But you aren't the first, and certainly won't be the last to suggest that schools like Chatard cap their enrollment so they can stay in a class and pad their trophy case. 

 

Look dude, I ain't butt hurt over nothing.  To be VERY CLEAR I am so proud that my team made it to LOS.  That they played their tales' off against arguably the best team in all of the state!!  That a small rural public school made it thru the toughest class in football to have a chance!!  I too have been on this forum for close to a decade and I have said the same thing every year!!  Had this forum been available 30 years ago I would've been saying the same thing I am today!!

Never said they give scholarships.

Never said they take kids from all over to line the sideline.......but could if they wanted too!!

May not cap their enrollments, in your opinion......but perception is reality, some schools never seem to grow when every other school in the region are !!

I honestly think you might be the one a little tender in certain areas........I mean to think that a country boy from down south, who is public school born a raised would have the audacity to question the likes of you.......  

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

I'm not talking about the state finals guy. I'm talking about the overall competitiveness between the overall tournament spanning multiple rounds. There's Cathedral, Chatard, teams like Dwenger, Memorial in most years and then a pretty significant drop off after that. Cathedral playing Park Tudor or Herritage Christian? Ya that would would go over well. 

And did I ever say athletics didn't matter at P/P's? No. But athletics aren't the sole reason, let alone half the reason why parents seek them out. A 100% graduation rate and 99% acceptance rate is a lot more to those footing the bill (parents) than a good football team or a girls tennis team.

You aren't this dense in real life are you?

 

It depends what I am talking about and what the argument is. If I feel strongly about something I am going to support it with every fiber of my being!!  IF THAT MAKES ME DENSE THEN DENSE I AM.  You're not this haughty in real life are you??? 

For too long there have been so many exasperated people defending their "honor" for going to, or the reason why people chose P/P schools besides the obvious.  Trust me I get it!!  You are correct, the education most likely IS better than most public schools.  But the irony in all of this is to act like there is no correlation to the success of most all athletic teams as well.  Why is this?????  Just better stock in kids???  Is it genetics???  Is it because they just work harder??? I say not!! 

That's why in one of my earlier arguments I started by saying "you're not going to convince most if any public school supporter......"  That is because public school kids, at least the one that choose to compete, work just as hard as any private school kid.  The public school student with educational ambition will work just as hard as any private school student.  They dedicate their time, and effort just like any!!  But yet year in a year out P/P schools dominate in athletics, for the most part, in 1A-4A and the question then becomes......how????  So there is logic to the public school backer saying things behind closed doors, or at the local bar, exactly what I am saying here!!!  P/P schools have advantages, P/P have made an un-level playing field and extorted loop holes so kids can attend their school mostly no questions asked, whether it for educational or athletic reasons, maybe both!!  These same avenues not always as easy to access in the public school setting especially when it pertains to athletic teams, and IT SUCKS.  Try to explain to young men and women who don't understand how this is fair!!!  You can't.  So I guess I just got a little denser........

2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

An all P/P state tournament would be less competitive than any of the current tournaments. And it's not going to happen.

Ain't gonna happen because the P/P schools don't want it to happen!!!  In retrospect had it happened the way many thought, the 2A championship many thought Mater Dei would/could lay claim to that trophy!!  Had that happened 1A-4A state champs all P/P schools, and that's how EVERYONE likes it!!!  Nah I'm not buying your......"not everyone cares about a trophy case" stuff!!!  Of course school staffs and their students care.  Of course parents care.  Of course administrators care.  C'mon man!! 

And how could this be a tournament less competitive???  Are you telling me that NO OTHER P/P school can compete with Chatard???  Wow never thought I would've seen the day........

14 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

If I could be convinced to live in the sh!th01e called Vanderburgh County, I would send my kids to Memorial (I have worked in Vanderburgh county since 1993).  6k isn't a bad price to pay considering the advantages one gets for that sacrifice.  

Blasphemy!!!!  Oh wait we are talking about a Catholic school of faith............I meant ridiculous statement!!!!

7 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I can also understand your sarcastic behavior. Not one time in my posts have I made any argument with any numbers to make anything invalid. You made an assumption. There were comments by a HH person that Chatard had more cheerleaders than they had football players (Inaccurate statement by the way). I gave roster numbers and total enrollment nothing more nothing less.

 

C'mon man!!  Said totally tongue in cheek, don't be so sensitive!!

58 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I will assure you there are ZERO private schools who are intentionally capping their enrollment so they can pad their trophy case. This is the single dumbest argument on the GID. 

You understand that private schools aren't funded by tax dollars and they can't just up and build a new building at the snap of their fingers. 

But I will assure you that private schools aren't turning away kids to stay in a certain enrollment based class to win a state title.

Don't necessarily agree with you about it being the dumbest argument on the GID. 

I will assure you this, you aren't going to totally convince many if any public school backers that one of the main reason P/P schools stay where they are in enrollment IS due to the fact that they have significant success in sports.  C'mon man who do you think that you are fulling???  That could be one of the best selling points P/P schools have to offer kids, especially athletes "do you want play for a state championship in ________________, then enroll here!" (put whatever sport you want in the blank) 

Yes private schools are funded by tax dollars, things have changed.  You are correct, you may not be able to snap fingers and build a school, but there are other means to support more students if that's what P/P schools really wanted!! 

All I know is this:  I think I made the best, most feasible solution earlier!!!  If class size doesn't matter.  If there are no true advantages of public vs private.  If the end game is not to a certainty to achieve athletic success at the highest level and that includes state championships........Then it's simple, have one tournament for P/P schools.  ONE state champ in the P/P class!!  It makes complete sense.   This argument would end so quickly!!