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5 minutes ago, JQWL said:

Then Southridge would get bumped up to the big division.

Depending on year it could be Pike Central getting "bumped" up, them and SR are real close in enrollment. 

SR already plays GS, HH, and Boonville not sure what the benefit for them to change divisions would be?

16 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

And you need to find that guy that said SR wouldn’t be very good…he/she/they is off their rocker lol.

I've never seen it posted, usually the SR post are about how they should be in the Big School division because the Little School division doesn't offer them enough competition. 

16 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I will boil this down.  GS is going to be hard to beat.  HH will be MUCH improved.

I like NP on the small side.

Big School top tier GS and HH.

Small School top tier NP and SR.

My thoughts and what i have heard....

Big School

GS is preseason favorite

HH lost some good seniors but have really high hopes for some underclassmen

MtV only lost 4 seniors, supposed to be their year... lost HC

BV lost arguably the best player in the conference, but I'm sure they still have plenty of talent

P and W will both struggle...

Small School

SR returns a lot and should be an excellent team

NP lost two one way players, high expectations but got curbstomped by SR last year. Lots to prove

SS and Tec both had good/great seasons last year but both lost a lot!

TC and FP should both improve this year

PC is PC and will struggle

22 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

For some reason yours doesn't show Tecumseh as part of the small conference

23 hours ago, Football Fanatic said:

*a bump post*

updated '23-'24 season standings prediction:

1. Reitz 9-0

2. North 8-1

3. Memorial 7-2

4. Castle 6-3

5. Jasper 5-4

6. Vincennes 5-4

7. Mater Dei 4-5

8. Bosse 2-7

9. Harrison 1-8

10. Central 0-9

Might be way off. Just throwing a dart and bridging the gap with some football talk until the season starts. I'm sure I will update this another time or two as we learn and hear more about the teams and players over the summer.

Don't believe MD has lost to 5 SIAC teams in one season since 96... I know they lost some good players but i'd put them at 5-4 or 6-3. 

The Vikings are now ranked #24 in the nation by Maxpreps. Led by Michigan commit Erin Hoehn, the undefeated Vikings are looking to improve upon their runner up finish last year. Its a nice recognition for these girls and all their hard work. Fellow Hoosiers Indianapolis Roncalli is ranked 3rd. 

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3 hours ago, JQWL said:

Not to change the subject because I'm glad Coach Messmer if feeling good and is refreshed and ready to go. 

Does anyone have photos of how the Hatchet Hallow renovation is coming?

I could be wrong but I don't believe Coach Messmer ever moved to Mt. Vernon. So if he was making the drive from Dubois County to Mt. Vernon everyday this move will allow him much more family time one would think...

2 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

I think he was a QB at Pike Central 2010-2011 time frame.

Was at least one or two Howald's on the team last year as well if I remember correctly. 

Any word on the Pike Central coach vacancy?

From this morning...

1 hour ago, TitanFootball said:

2023 season right around the corner. 

5 minutes ago, Football Fanatic said:

I think I remember hearing that U Indy is a top option. Not sure of any others.

I've heard but can't remember which, either UT-Martin or UT-Chattanooga is a place he is looking at pretty hard.

12 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Meh.  I'm sure the Carmel high school athletic department has the cash to cover any fines or judgments that would come from such contract breaking.  

So its ok to use tax funds to pay to break said contracts? 

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19 hours ago, Titan32 said:

If i remember correctly GS returns a lot of experience, this should be a great early test. GS is doing a great job at finding games to challenge them.

It would be interesting to hear what everyone (PAC teams) have coming back. I know NP and I believe SR have most of their core players back. Believe HH has a good nucleus coming back as well.

15 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

LOL...yeah, I'd say Montgomery's move was wise and understandable.  But he's obviously a rare case.

Most college coaches have traditionally liked their recruits to play more than one sport.  But it seems this is becoming less the case.  Apparently, Auburn's baseball coaches pressed on Cam Tilly to give up football.  And it may have been a good decision on his part, as well.  That gave him the opportunity to play for USA Baseball's 18U team.

But I don't think it's always the best decision.  And you see it happening even earlier than high school.

I'd add that Montgomery did still play basketball, so he was still a multi sport athlete. 

57 minutes ago, HHPatriots said:

Odd # shouldn't be a big deal, just have to change the non-conference games, right?  Or am I missing something?

Unless something has changed Tecumseh is back to being a full member of the PAC next year, they will join the small school division. Below is Tecumseh's schedule per John Harrell, SR has not been playing Tecumseh but is next year as a small school conference opponent. JH's site does not show Tecumseh as a conference member yet but I'm certain next year is the year they rejoin.  Mt. Vernon (Big Division) schedule is also on JH's site and does not include SR.

9 hours ago, Esso Ayche said:

Passes the smell test to me for the most part. I thought Boonvillle might be a tick or two higher. HH seems a tad high, but maybe not. I did think they'd have another win or two than they ended up with before the season started. Figured MV would be lower. Didn't they get beat by NP? I know that doesn't mean their body of work isn't stronger, just surprised they ended up that high I guess.

NP beat both MV and HH (in OT,) but I'd guess those two were helped by MV beating 6A Jeffersonville and HH beating Charlestown. 

Let’s get this back on topic. I’ll be the first to say I was skeptical about MD returning to state without Humphries, Boots and especially Ralph. But i was really impressed last Friday night! The offense really clicked last Friday, no offense to Linton but it was ugly.

20 minutes ago, MDAlum82 said:

Unless you are including freshmen, I don't believe MD has ever had "80 - 100" players on the varsity team, even back in the initial years of real success back in the late 1990s & early 2000s when the roster was truly huge because every kid wanted to be on the team.  Typical is 60 - 70, not including frosh - still very good numbers but hardly "80 -100" cited.  Here are roster numbers for last 5 years from Max Preps. 

Now, they could fill a Hadi Shrine clown car on Thanksgiving with all their coaches, there is no disputing that!🤡

I’m including freshmen, I could be wrong but would guess most 2A public schools include freshmen on the roster. Guessing the P/Ps don’t have to dress freshmen or use them for practice. Including freshmen we had 44 players at the start of the year coming off a conference championship season and 9 wins last year. Including freshmen MD probably had 85-90 players it’s not apples to apples. 

Fun fact we dressed 39 healthy players against MD, they had that many coaches/staff/trainers/doctors on the roster

1 minute ago, oldtimeqb said:

Dawson Wunderlich and Mason Wunderlich are two completely different kids. Not sure what you are talking about. 😀

As are Nolan and Carter Schickel. In a few years Nolan (freshmen at MD) could be a starting WR/DB and his brother Carter (8th grade) could be a starting QB/DB at NP.

28 minutes ago, Wildcat1992 said:

D families pay for religious education.  They are not paying for an athletic experience.  They could all send their kids to reitz for free and have a similar athletic experience.  It's the same families generation after generation.  It's not like MD has a ton of transfers every year that keeps them competitive.  

As far as the family things goes, you are incorrect about families sending their better athletes to MD and the other siblings to NP.  There have been several MD students transfer to NP after starting at MD.  there are also times where an 8th grader looks and assumes they won't be as successful (i.e. playing time) at MD and goes somewhere else.  I don't think it has anything to do with a parent consciously picking the better athlete in the family and send them to MD.  That's a ridiculous assertion IMO.

I didn't want in this conversation just presented numbers about the 2A tourney and the success of the P/P schools, I'm just going to say we do not see things the same way and that is ok. I don't feel sorry for Pike Central when we beat them almost every year and I don't expect MD to feel sorry for us. I don't see the IHSAA changing anything anytime soon so our 40 - 50 football players will have to learn to outwork the 80 - 100 football players at MD. Same for our 6-8 coaches will have to outwork the 20 or so coaches at MD.

16 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

does MD have numbers we can observe regarding kids how participate in extracurriculars

I'm not sure but I believe MD usually has above 90% participation rate and have heard it has been close to 100% before. 

1 hour ago, Wildcat1992 said:

Please explain how MD kids are different than NP kids.

I would say that roughly 50% of NP kids are very similar to 90-95% of the MD kids. The biggest difference between these kids (the roughly 215 NP kids that have similar home life as the 450 MD kids) is expectations at home. MD families are paying for an education and athletic experience, they are more involved with their kids school and extracurriculars. These numbers seem to translate to roster size as well. NP has 40 kids playing football, MD has 80ish (way more last year.)

21 minutes ago, Wildcat1992 said:

Why don't these same advantages show up in other sports?  NP routinely beats MD in basketball and baseball.  Or are there only "advantages" in football?  I use NP as an example because they have similar enrollments and very similar kids.  they have kids in their hallways right now that  went to westside catholic feeder schools and are now at NP.  In some cases there are siblings at each school.  With all these advantages, wouldn't the parents opt for MD?  I realize that MD has a different enrollment from some other 2A schools.  But the teams they have beaten to win sectional, regional and semi state are not significantly different. 

Routinely? I got tired of looking but going back to the early 2000's NP has won 5 out of the last 27 or so games in boys basketball vs MD. So NP wins 16% of the time in the last 20 years, for reference against Evansville North (1600 students) same time period NP has won 5 out 17 games (about 30%.) I can't tell you about baseball those stats aren't as easy for me to find but we have had some really good baseball teams including back to back state titles so I imagine that is pretty close. As far as siblings at both schools, not always but usually the family will send the better athlete to MD and the rest to NP. Again its about expectations, freshmen receiver at MD is supposed to be the star while junior sister and 8th grade brother at NP are pushed in a different direction. 

To be clear I didn't say anything good or bad about MD, I presented the facts of this years 2A tournament. Good luck to the Wildcats

10 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

If this is supposed to bother me it doesn't.  I suppose the SF did clear out an old 3A opponent, they wouldn't have been an issue last year but would have been a tough out.  We should never compete with them based on effective enrollment (aside from a once in a decade team), if we are competing with them, they are doing something wrong...and they don't.  Most years in terms of quality DNA on our football team, MD and GS will run much closer in the numbers of those type of kids than GS than ERM.  Which, based on the paradigm, is how it does, should and will always work.  Those who pretend it doesn't are lying to themselves and others.

A look at the numbers in 2A this year (feel free to correct me if these are inaccurate,) 62 teams and by my quick count 8 P/P schools. 6 of those P/P schools advanced to the sectional title game, 4 of them won a sectional, 3 of them won a regional, and obviously 2 of them are playing for the title. So 13% of the schools won 50% of the sectionals, 75% of the regionals, and 100% of the Semi-states.

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