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Top 20 most dominant Indiana high school football teams in the MaxPreps era

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After compiling data since 2004, we have come up with the 20 best high school football programs in Indiana.

 

It has been 10 years now that MaxPreps has put out football computer rankings, presented by the Army National Guard.

That's plenty of time to come up with a solid list of which programs have been the most dominant during the MaxPreps era.

For the purpose of the rankings, each team will be awarded points based off where it finished in the computer rankings after each season. For example, if a team finished No. 1 overall it receives 25 points. If the team finished No. 25 overall, it would get one point. A team also receives 30 points for winning a state title and 15 for being the runner-up.

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Most dominant Indiana football programs in the MaxPreps era

1. Indianapolis Cathedral - 416 points
Overall record: 110-32
With seven state titles and nine finishes in the Top 10, the Fighting Irish have cemented themselves as Indiana's best team in the last 10 years.

2. Warren Central (Indianapolis) - 377
Overall record: 108-24
Warren Central won three consecutive state championships from 2004-06. It has added two more to the trophy case since then, also finishing as the No. 1-ranked team four times since 2004.

3. Carmel - 324
Overall record: 108-28
Participating in six state championship games over the past 10 seasons has helped the Greyhounds land in the Top 10 eight times. They were the victors in two of those games, and both years they finished as the No. 1-ranked team.

4. Indianapolis Bishop Chatard - 280
Overall record: 118-26
The Trojans have only missed the Top 25 once since 2004, compiling five 3A state titles along the way.

5. Fort Wayne Bishop Luers - 190
Overall record: 87-47
The Knights have only cracked the Top 25 three times, but have proved their dominance by winning five state titles since 2007.

6. Center Grove (Greenwood) - 179
Overall record: 89-34
Despite having eight Top 20 finishes over the past 10 years, the Trojans have just one state championship, coming in 2007 along with a No. 1 ranking.

7. Lawrence Central (Indianapolis) - 160
Overall record: 77-42
An undefeated season in 2012 gave Lawrence Central its first state title since 2004. The program has four Top 10 finishes over the past 10 seasons.

8. Ben Davis (Indianapolis) - 154
Overall record: 79-37
Ben Davis hasn't missed the Top 25 in the past 10 years, but is still searching for its first state title since 2004 although it has five Top 5 finishes.

9. Hamilton Southeastern (Fishers) - 147
Overall record: 93-25
The Royals have eight Top 25 finishes since 2004, five of which have been Top 10 finishes.

10. Lafayette Central Catholic - 140
Overall record: 114-15
Three perfect seasons and four straight class A state championship victories since 2009 are accolades that the Knights can claim despite only finishing in the Top 25 three times.

11. Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger - 129
Overall record: 106-27
Despite not having a state title victory in the past 10 years, Bishop Dwenger has three Top 10 finishes among its six Top 25 finishes.

12. Columbus East - 125
Overall record: 117-13
Columbus East's best season came in 2013 when it finished the season with a perfect record and earned its lone state championship since 2004.

13. Lowell - 124
Overall record: 88-37
Although Lowell has only cracked the Top 25 four times in the past 10 seasons, three of those finishes have been Top 10.

14. Sheridan - 120
Overall record: 101-32
Sheridan played in four straight state championship bouts from 2005-08, winning three and finishing as the runner-up in another.

15. Pike (Indianapolis) - 118
Overall record: 72-43-1
The Red Devils haven't missed the Top 25 since cracking the rankings in 2007. Their best finish came in 2007 when they reached the No. 2 rank.

15. Fort Wayne Snider - 118
Overall record: 108-24
Snider has two runner-up finishes since 2004.

17. Roncalli (Indianapolis) - 113
Overall record: 75-43
Roncalli landed the No. 4 rank after finishing as the runner-up in 2005.

18. Fishers - 109
Overall record: 63-31
A 5A state championship in 2010 assisted the Tigers in claiming the No. 1 ranking.

19. Avon - 102
Overall record: 81-37
The Orioles are still searching for their first state title since 2004 despite having eight Top 25 finishes.

20. Evansville Reitz - 100
Overall record: 102-26
Reitz has two perfect seasons since 2004, one resulting in a 4A state championship.

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=1e7cd6d8-94c3-45cb-a22a-c8731befc6dc

 

 

 

Right on Cathedral IRISH!  Keep going strong fellas!  Love IRISH Football  :D

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Thanks for sharing.  And while this top 20 is entertaining, MaxPreps didn't really need to produce an algorithm to come to the conclusion that 16 schools that are either P/P (6 total) or MIC/6A (10 total) are the most dominant Indiana high school football teams.  

 

The Dude does however wonder how much of a change (aka Success Factor) occurs after another decade happens.

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Great list and great to see the Knights check in at number 5, behind 3 schools of 3500+ and the biggest catholic school in the state.  

 

The only real surprise is no Penn.  Its almost impossible for a school with that big of an enrollment who doesnt have to worry about the other mega schools until semi-state or state couldn't crack this list.  I know they've been better the last couple years but with that many kids I just cant understand not being able to field a top notch team every year in the Michiana area.

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Irish Line Momma knows! :)

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What has Penn done to be considered a top 20 team from the last 10 years?

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What has Penn done to be considered a top 2 team from the last 10 years?

Top 2, nothing.  Top 20, the school has done a lot and would likely beat or compete with a larger percentage of schools on the list, in particular all schools deemed 4A on down.  In fact a good number of schools in 5A and 6A would likely beat or compete with a lot of the lower class schools on the list.  That's no knock on the small schools.  This list just shows the level of competitive balance or lack there of for the smaller class schools.  Hence, an association implementing something called Success Factor.

 

The Dude is actually surprised to see Avon on the list.  

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What has Penn done to be considered a top 20 team from the last 10 years?

Post has been edited. Sorry about that.

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The bonuses kind of mess this thing up. For example lac barely ever ranked in top 25, but all those championship points skews things big time. Same for luers, sheridan and others. If you just did the ranking Penn would be in there.

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Top 2, nothing.  Top 20, the school has done a lot and would likely beat or compete with a larger percentage of schools on the list, in particular all schools deemed 4A on down.  In fact a good number of schools in 5A and 6A would likely beat or compete with a lot of the lower class schools on the list.  That's no knock on the small schools.  This list just shows the level of competitive balance or lack there of for the smaller class schools.  Hence, an association implementing something called Success Factor.

 

The Dude is actually surprised to see Avon on the list.  

Columbus East easily beats Penn.  Not even close to Top 20.  Penn has not been great for many years, they've got size but cannot connect the dots to finish out the year strong.  

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Columbus East easily beats Penn.  Not even close to Top 20.  Penn has not been great for many years, they've got size but cannot connect the dots to finish out the year strong.

Thats funny , you need to put down the crack pipe . Why is CE so good , because they play nobody until the Semistate and then get trounced  by Cathedral by 30,40,50 ? Mishawaka gave Cathedral a better game than CE did 2 years ago . The same thing can be said about Penn , getting beat badly by a MIC team in the Semistate or state game . Last year Penn gave Carmel all they wanted in the Semistate , and although Carmel didnt go on to win the state title , I still feel they were the best team in 6A . Over the last 10 years Penn would of beat CE at least 7 of those years . 

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In terms of pure teams I'd still put Luers in the top fifteen.  We go toe to toe with Snider who goes toe to toe with anybody.  

 

A true list would look something like:

 

1. Warren

2. Carmel

3. Cathedral

4. Ben Davis

5. Center Grove

6. Chatard

7. LC

8. Snider

9. HSE

10. Fishers

11. Pike

12. Dwenger

13. Luers

14. Penn

15. Columbus East

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If you take out the bonus, then those 20 teams would look like this:

1. Cathedral 236
2. Warren Central 227
3. Carmel 204
4. Ben Davis 154
5. Center Grove 149
6. HSE 132
7. Lawrence Central 115
8. Chatard 115
9. Pike 103
10. Avon  102
11. Columbus East  95
12. Snider 88
13. Dwenger 84
14. Fishers 79
15. Roncalli 68
16. Lowell 64
17. Reitz 40
18. Luers 40
19. LCC 20
20. Sheridan 15 

 

Somewhere around the Dwenger-Fishers area a lot of other teams would be in there. Here is a composite of Calpreps since 2003 to get an idea of how straight computer rankings look and where team lie with one additional year of history:

http://calpreps.com/Indiana_dynasty_ratings.htm

 

Top 15 teams or so look very familiar, but you can see about where other teams lie in this.

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Columbus East easily beats Penn.  Not even close to Top 20.  Penn has not been great for many years, they've got size but cannot connect the dots to finish out the year strong.  

It's subjective and all relative.  As is this entire thread.

 

If you take out the bonus, then those 20 teams would look like this:

1. Cathedral 236

2. Warren Central 227

3. Carmel 204

4. Ben Davis 154

5. Center Grove 149

6. HSE 132

7. Lawrence Central 115

8. Chatard 115

9. Pike 103

10. Avon  102

11. Columbus East  95

12. Snider 88

13. Dwenger 84

14. Fishers 79

15. Roncalli 68

16. Lowell 64

17. Reitz 40

18. Luers 40

19. LCC 20

20. Sheridan 15 

 

Somewhere around the Dwenger-Fishers area a lot of other teams would be in there. Here is a composite of Calpreps since 2003 to get an idea of how straight computer rankings look and where team lie with one additional year of history:

http://calpreps.com/Indiana_dynasty_ratings.htm

 

Top 15 teams or so look very familiar, but you can see about where other teams lie in this.

Thanks for sharing.

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Columbus East easily beats Penn. Not even close to Top 20. Penn has not been great for many years, they've got size but cannot connect the dots to finish out the year strong.

They're also not in 4A/5A.

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They're also not in 4A/5A.

But they play in a weak area for a 6A school. They don't get the competition to prepare for the better 6A schools and it shows in the tourney. Especially over the span of this study. As aI read a lot on this website "Get Better!"

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Last year Penn gave Carmel all they wanted in the Semistate , and although Carmel didnt go on to win the state title , I still feel they were the best team in 6A . Over the last 10 years Penn would of beat CE at least 7 of those years .

Well then I guess warren should hand the state trophy over to Carmel if they were the best team. Oh wait that's right Warren won the game fair and square. Edited by warren05

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how can you have two perfect season and only end up with one state championship?

 

Reitz has two state championships. just and FYI

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Nothing like a blanket statement to try and puff out your chest some more.  Here's one for ya: nothing in 6A north counts as equal or is remotely relateable to the gaunlet the 6A south must go through in order to make it to state. It's reality.

 

Nothing below 6A, and formerly 5A, counts as equal or is remotely relateable. Deal with it. It's reality. It's the MAC compared to the SEC.

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I think this is accurate in saying who is the most dominant. It doesn't mean they are the overall best, just the best against their main competition. Kind of like how you wouldn't compare wrestlers in vastly different weight classes (which I don't know much about). They aren't saying that a very good 250 lbs wrestler would consistently lose to one of the top 2 160 lb wrestlers. They are saying that the 160 lb wrestler was more dominant in his weight class than the 250 lb wrestler was in his own. If anything this is biased towards the big schools, since they use an overall top 25 (rarely ever including small schools) compared to a top 25 for a single class.

 

I will conclude if this was just about the overall best team, LCC wouldn't be in the top 25. When it comes to most dominant they would probably be higher than 10 if you don't use the overall top 25. That is all.

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I think this is accurate in saying who is the most dominant. It doesn't mean they are the overall best, just the best against their main competition. Kind of like how you wouldn't compare wrestlers in vastly different weight classes (which I don't know much about). They aren't saying that a very good 250 lbs wrestler would consistently lose to one of the top 2 160 lb wrestlers. They are saying that the 160 lb wrestler was more dominant in his weight class than the 250 lb wrestler was in his own. If anything this is biased towards the big schools, since they use an overall top 25 (rarely ever including small schools) compared to a top 25 for a single class.

 

I will conclude if this was just about the overall best team, LCC wouldn't be in the top 25. When it comes to most dominant they would probably be higher than 10 if you don't use the overall top 25. That is all.

Hence, something called, Success Factor.

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Top 2, nothing.  Top 20, the school has done a lot and would likely beat or compete with a larger percentage of schools on the list, in particular all schools deemed 4A on down.  In fact a good number of schools in 5A and 6A would likely beat or compete with a lot of the lower class schools on the list.  That's no knock on the small schools.  This list just shows the level of competitive balance or lack there of for the smaller class schools.  Hence, an association implementing something called Success Factor.

 

The Dude is actually surprised to see Avon on the list.  

 

 

They're also not in 4A/5A.

I was responding to the Dude.  I do think CE would easily beat Penn .......maybe I was just trying to draw you out too. :)   I have been around for awhile and you have to agree, Penn needs to step it up.  They have plenty of size and talent.  So why aren't they dominate? 

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Great list and great to see the Knights check in at number 5, behind 3 schools of 3500+ and the biggest catholic school in the state.  

 

The only real surprise is no Penn.  Its almost impossible for a school with that big of an enrollment who doesnt have to worry about the other mega schools until semi-state or state couldn't crack this list.  I know they've been better the last couple years but with that many kids I just cant understand not being able to field a top notch team every year in the Michiana area.

 

Chatard checked in at #4, which contains just under 700 students.

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