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  1. 1 point
    Here is the article that I think you were looking for. To common now a days to complain after the fact when this should have been addressed when put in place. I completely understand that player safety should always come first and the pitch count should be counted by an official score keeper but the coaches didn't want that according to this article. TODD AARON GOLDEN: In following the letter of the law, IHSAA lost the spirit of the pitch count rule When I interviewed IHSAA commissioner Bobby Cox last Tuesday, he was very adamant not only in his words, but his tone, when he conveyed to me that the IHSAA did everything in handling the South Vermillion-Scecina pitch count rule violation by the book. “I’m enforcing the rule by the letter,” Cox said with an uptick in his voice and stern emphasis in his enunciation when he said "by the letter". By now, you probably know what the controversy was about and how it was resolved. Scecina pitcher Mac Ayres went over the IHSAA (and National Federation of State High School Federations) pitch count for a 24-hour period. The limit is 120 pitches. Ayres threw 134 or 136 depending on who was doing the counting. There's no dispute, from either party, that Ayres and Scecina were in violation of the rule. The IHSAA by-law on the pitch count rule requires a team forfeit when the rule is violated. The IHSAA cited a different by-law, one they say overrode the pitch count by-law, that stated that the penalty in the postseason is different and that the player is suspended but the team moves on. However you feel about that, and I've yet to come across anyone who was completely satisfied by every aspect of the ruling, let's go back to when the IHSAA decision had to be made. Let's also acknowledge that we're dealing with something different here. Once player health-related guidelines and rules crossed into the realm of the competitive environment — pitch counts for baseball, concussion protocols for contact sports — we stepped out of the old days of rule enforcement. (We've also stepped out of the old days of many things. The IHSAA is going to have to consider how it structures the baseball tournament — perhaps two games in one day for the sectional and regional is no longer such a hot idea. The IHSAA definitely has to stop conceding power to the coaches' associations and take more control over their own rules in all sports. An example? For the many who have suggested that pitch count should be monitored independently, perhaps by the host site as it is in Illinois? It didn't happen because the Indiana coaches' association didn't want it to happen. They favored the honor system. Here's a news flash — few say it publicly, but there are plenty of coaches don't like the pitch count rule for reasons ranging from legitimate concern of it not being strict enough, or issues of how to apply it, to outmoded caveman thinking that it makes players soft. But that's a column for another day.) The pitch count rule's conception was to protect player health. It's there to protect pitchers from their own competitive instinct and inability to ascertain their own limit. It's also there to protect players from coaches who aren't paying attention to the pitch count (Defcon-5, least severe on the concern threat matrix) or who are unscrupulous (a hard Defcon-1) about crossing the line to feed their own competitive hunger. So back to the IHSAA decision-making process. Forget, for a moment, the forfeit or no forfeit part of this. Forget, even, the inherent ridiculousness that there's a different standard for regular season versus the postseason — even though nothing is at stake in the regular season with an all-comers, blind-draw tournament and everything is stake in the postseason. Think only that the pitch count rule is a player safety issue ... period. The IHSAA had, right in their lap, a chance to really send a message about how important these pitch count rules are and how it's a line that simply can't be crossed. If you read IHSAA by-law 3-9.4, it is succinct. The player is ineligible and the team moves on. We already knew that. However, if you read the entirety of the IHSAA by-laws on eligibility — and boy is it ever a page-turner — it deals with player ineligibility. The IHSAA adjudicates via player ineligibility. It's what they do. Apparently, it's all they do. However, holding the player responsible for a pitch count violation is well nigh ludicrous. It's not his responsibility to keep track of his own pitch count. The coaches are supposed to monitor it and there's nothing beyond the honor system in place to hold anyone accountable. The IHSAA has no apparatus in place to enforce the rule, and yet, it's the player who pays the price? The IHSAA could (should) have understood this, looked at the wording of their by-law, and struck a new blow. Rather than stick with the player ineligibility by-law — undoubtedly written to deal with traditional ineligibility issues like players who weren't academically eligible, etc. — the IHSAA could have set a bold new precedent and ruled that the team was ineligible for violating the pitch count rule as written in by-law 51-4-e and enforced the forfeit. The rationale is simple. The team is responsible for protecting their own player's safety. The team's coaching staff is responsible for keeping their pitch count. Scecina, by accident or on purpose, failed to do this. Given that? The team has to pay the penalty for not protecting their own player and forfeit the game ... just as it does during the regular season. The penalty must be that serious. If it isn't? Then what's the point of protecting the players in the first place if you can't do it when it matters most? When the instance of arm overuse abuse is most prevalent? My guess is that the IHSAA would argue that it wasn't within their purview to create a new precedent, but who is going to argue with the IHSAA over setting a precedent to protect player safety? Scecina might have fought it, perhaps even with legal action, but as South Vermillion ultimately decided, the IHSAA does have discretion in how they interpret their by-laws. I'm not sure how it's arguable among the sane that the IHSAA would have been doing the wrong thing to strictly enforce the pitch count rule. The IHSAA also would have engendered plenty of good will in the name of player safety and sent a clear message to coaches that the pitch count rule is serious business. The IHSAA had a chance to take a bold stance. What they did instead was blanket themselves in their own rulebook to comfort themselves in the letter of the law. In doing so? The IHSAA completely missed the spirit of what the pitch count rule is all about in the first place. Todd Golden is sports editor of the Tribune-Star. He can be reached at (812) 231-4272 or todd.golden@tribstar.com. Follow Golden on Twitter at @TribStarTodd.
  2. 1 point
    Fair enough Butter Bean, time will prove one of us has no clue what we’re talking about.
  3. 1 point
    I think SC and Charlestown both get mentioned based on their enrollment and expected growth in the near future. SC is still a pretty new program. I honestly dont see the point in all these off season dream conference scenarios. HHC is locked in as far as members for the foreseeable future.
  4. 1 point
    No direspect, but JV scores and freshman scores are meaningless to me. That’s all about numbers. If the Evans boys played at grade level their JV teams would of set world records. 3 kids at Memorial never played a freshman or JV snap in their entire career. I could name several from SIAC who never saw the JV field as I’m sure you could for GS. It’s all about varsity level. I’m guessing the varsity kids on GS the last couple years dominated when they played JV? I would bet the kids on GS varsity the last couple years kick Memorial’s butt when playing freshman and JV?
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