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  1. Why not? It's an Indiana high school football forum, and this is concerning an Indiana high school football coach. I will agree that rumors and speculation need not run rampant, but forums are literally built to have discussion.
    7 points
  2. After reading through this thread - I actually think I've come around to the idea that is should be the BIGGEST 32 in 6A and the smallest 32 in 1A - then split the rest as evenly as you can.
    5 points
  3. Using WCGrad92's numbers above, here is the disparity in schools size in the current split (6A & 5A 32 teams): 6A Carmel 5200 Jeffersonville 2141 Carmel is 2.43 times bigger (Not much you can do about this, the top 16"ish" schools are just way bigger than the rest) 5A Valpo 2140 FWNS 1460 Valpo is 1.47 times bigger 4A FWSS 1459 (anyone else find it interesting SS & NS are only 1 kid apart?) Wash 810 FWSS is 1.8 times bigger 3A Guerin 800 Benton Central 513 GC is 1.56 times bigger 2A North Mont 513 Busco 378 NM is 1.36 times bigger 1A (with 64ish teams) East Hancock 377 Attica 160 EH is 2.36 times bigger (much larger disparity than any class but 6A...and I would agrue that effect is aggravated due to the smaller school size) OR 1A (with 32) Cov 281 Attica 177 Cov is 1.77 times bigger (very similar to what we get in the middle of the curve) BTW a 64 class 5A (as WCGRad92 has above) Valpo 2140 NW 1068 Valpo is ~2 times bigger
    4 points
  4. Absolutely NOT true. How you drew that conclusion is beyond me. The explanation as to why your post was hidden are VERY clear. You are not a news source; even if you had firsthand knowledge of the incident. If you published a story on a news site and included a link, that would have been completely different. Your logic cannot explain why this current topic is still active.
    4 points
  5. History made tonight in Evansville. yeah I know it's not football related, but this deserves a post here. In the 106 lb. class, Julianna Ocampo gets a pin with 15 seconds left in the 3rd round to become the first female in Indiana history to earn a spot to compete for a medal. I had Julianna in class and have her younger sister now, and am so proud of her for accomplishing this. She quickly fell behind 9-1 in the 1st round. She battled back in the 2nd round to get the score to 9-5 with some back points. With 1:30 left in the match, she takes the lead at 10-9. Talk about persevering. Not only is she a great wrestler, she is ranked 7th in the nation in the 105 lb weight class, but she is a great kid as well. It was really cool too to hear the place erupt when she took the lead and even louder after she got the pin.
    4 points
  6. When I posted this last week (and it was removed) I was told that I had a problem with Barron. The entire process of hiding facts and not letting people have opinions is a joke. As a father of a teenage girl I know that if any "teacher" slapped my daughter on the butt I would be going for his head. Since he is a football coach and a good ole boy we will just let him get away with it. The girl is the victim not John Barron!
    4 points
  7. So smacking teenage girls’ asses is unacceptable…..I was not aware, no one explained that to me when I was hired….and after she asked him to stop….be a man!
    4 points
  8. Without quoting all the above classes and taking up loads of space in this reply box- those classes (where 32 biggest are in 6A and 32 smallest are in 1A) seem about right to me. I realize it’s all relative I guess…
    4 points
  9. Why a stunner? Am I missing something? Munster got one of the good ones. Elkhart lost out. Coach is a great leader of men and will do a great job leading the program.
    4 points
  10. IHSAA make these changes now: 1. Adjust brackets to 32 in 6A and 1A, then split 5A - 2A with 61-64 schools in each. 2. Seed the Sectionals. Either complete seed or I’d be happy with seed top 2 and blind draw on the others as someone suggested earlier. 3. Neutral Site Semi State games 4. Keep LOS as home for all Championship games. Thats all. Too much to ask?
    3 points
  11. As the father of a 17-year old girl, I can say that is something that should NEVER be done, regardless of the context.
    3 points
  12. Boy I hope this never happens. What a joke that would be. 2 classes of 16 teams? Cmon
    3 points
  13. I was not the one who hid the topic, but the standard that has been in place since Tim Adams started this site is that posts like the one you mentioned must have a link/source. The same standard has been in place regarding coaching moves and any matters involving player news. There was a post about the incident at NorthWood this past season. The original topic was hidden for the same reason yours was hidden; there was no link. Even hearing something firsthand does not meet the standard TA set over 20 years ago here. So the claim that this was about some "good ole boy" thing is not even close to accurate.
    3 points
  14. Ok. Let's make this work. Scrimmage Week is Game 1 and Weeks 1-9 make a 10 game regular season. You MUST win 2 games against another IHSAA school to qualify. If you can't get 2 wins out of 10 games then just move on to basketball. For reference in 2023 there were 47 teams with 10 or 9 losses. A 9 loss team either finished 1-8 and lost Round 1 or got lucky with a draw finished 2-9 or 3-9. But to get 9 losses, you had to be 1-8 after week 9. Last year that means 315 - 47 = 268 "qualifiers" for this set up. Even could allow a few more teams that scheduled wins, because the magic number would be 272. Top 32 in enrollment = 6A tournament Remaining 240 qualifiers split into 5 even classes of 48. Seeded obviously with the top 16 in each class getting a bye and let a bunch of 2 & 3 win teams face each other round 1 (week 10 of current schedule). Week 11 is round 2, each class has 32 teams and the 6 classes will still crown champs Thanksgiving weekend in LOS. If I were omnipotent commissioner for a day, this is what I set up.
    3 points
  15. In all these situations that have involved coaches in our state, I caution folks on a few things, 1. Due process This is why I hid a topic last week talking rumors of something at Glenn with Coach Barron 2. What is reported by WNDU is just that, what they reported. Which is summary of charges, nothing more, nothing less. 3. We've always taken stance going back to Coach Tim Adams days , to allow due process and sticking with to reported facts that become available if they do.
    3 points
  16. 4A 1 New Haven 1068 2 Plymouth 1054 3 Marion 1045 4 DeKalb 1044 5 Lebanon 1033 6 East Chicago Central 1009 7 Gary West Side 995 8 East Noble 989 9 Kankakee Valley 989 10 Lowell 985 11 Highland 977 12 New Prairie 970 13 Silver Creek 943 14 Connersville 930 15 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 917 16 Frankfort 901 17 Leo 900 18 Wawasee 895 19 Northview 894 20 Beech Grove 892 21 South Bend Washington 886 22 Boonville 884 23 NorthWood 869 24 Evansville Bosse 863 25 Charlestown 854 26 South Bend Saint Joseph 849 27 Culver Academies 832 28 Brebeuf Jesuit 829 29 New Castle 824 30 Danville 820 31 Hanover Central 817 32 Yorktown 812 33 Washington 810 34 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 730 35 Guerin Catholic 800 36 Jay County 800 37 Delta 798 38 Western 791 39 Mississinewa 783 40 Gibson Southern 771 41 Edgewood 761 42 Madison 760 43 Corydon Central 754 44 West Lafayette 750 45 Norwell 745 46 Angola 741 47 Mishawaka Marian 735 48 Lawrenceburg 726 49 Scottsburg 726 50 West Noble 718 51 Vincennes Lincoln 711 52 Crawfordsville 710 53 Hamilton Heights 687 54 Batesville 670 55 Twin Lakes 663 56 Greensburg 662 57 Franklin County 650 58 Owen Valley 650 59 Rushville 645 60 South Dearborn 645 61 Griffith 637 5A 1 Valparaiso 2140 2 Warsaw 2108 3 Whiteland 2074 4 South Bend Adams 2062 5 Decatur Central 2050 6 Merrillville 2050 7 Lafayette Jefferson 2034 8 Goshen 2006 9 Chesterton 1980 10 Castle 1965 11 Hammond Central 1923 12 Floyd Central 1823 13 New Albany 1814 14 LaPorte 1812 15 McCutcheon 1786 16 Plainfield 1773 17 Evansville North 1751 18 Concord 1730 19 Anderson 1722 20 Seymour 1719 21 Bloomington South 1681 22 Terre Haute South 1609 23 Franklin Community 1590 24 Bloomington North 1589 25 Hammond Morton 1534 26 Michigan City 1520 27 Columbus East 1518 28 Munster 1514 29 Terre Haute North 1467 30 Kokomo 1465 31 Fort Wayne North Side 1460 32 East Central 1241 33 Fort Wayne South Side 1459 34 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1455 35 Greenfield-Central 1430 36 Mishawaka 1422 37 Fort Wayne Wayne 1416 38 Mooresville 1398 39 Northridge 1393 40 Huntington North 1382 41 Evansville Reitz 1378 42 Pendleton Heights 1353 43 Muncie Central 1332 44 Richmond 1320 45 Martinsville 1315 46 Hobart 1298 47 South Bend Riley 1298 48 Evansville Harrison 1293 49 Bedford-North Lawrence 1242 50 Logansport 1226 51 Greenwood 1211 52 New Palestine 1209 53 Indianapolis Cathedral 1172 54 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1170 55 Jennings County 1169 56 Columbia City 1162 57 Indianapolis Shortridge 1159 58 Evansville Central 1131 59 Shelbyville 1093 60 Jasper 1092 61 Indianapolis Roncalli 1082 62 New Haven 1068
    3 points
  17. Without running the numbers, I always felt that it should be 32 in 6A and 32 in 1A. Well, I guess that's why we run numbers. IHSAA got it right.
    3 points
  18. No debate most watched SB ever. It is king of the US market. Super Bowl vs World Cup....SB has a ways to go even with 123 million viewers https://www.statista.com/chart/16875/super-bowl-viewership-vs-world-cup-final/ https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/how-fifa-world-cup-final-beat-super-bowl-lvi-in-tv-ratings
    3 points
  19. Two people had something drawn up that makes a lot of sense and is the same, looks like the IHSAA is gonna have to go a whole different route. Nice goin fellas 😉
    3 points
  20. 1A and 6A should be 32. Divide 2A-4A up "evenly", handout the byes as you see fit. My 2 cents😜
    3 points
  21. 2 points
  22. It always amazes me on a forum that should be for promoting football in Indiana, the amount of people on this forum that either want to eliminate teams completely or eliminate teams from playing games. There is nothing wrong with the all-in. Kids get very few football games to play in their entire lives and once it's done, it's done. Let's not try and minimize the experience just so fans can feel like it "means more."
    2 points
  23. Yes. Her aunt that I graduated with at AC was also a phenomenal athlete. She was great in volleyball, basketball, and softball. Shame her aunt stopped playing basketball when the coach retired. Julianna reminds me of her in how she speaks & acts.
    2 points
  24. It’s probably in the Annual Report somewhere. I know their General Counsel, Robert Baker, has a salary of just under $160K. If you compare the IHSAA to the parallel organizations in other states, you’d see that the IHSAA runs pretty lean in terms of staffing and salary.
    2 points
  25. I’ve paid zero attention to this story, I don’t know any of the particulars, nor do I care to. But the answer to anything changing is no, the knee jerk reaction is always the same, punish law abiding gun owners. Guns are a symptom of much larger societal problems, we’ve seen, guns (guns are easy, but also against public opinion can be difficult to obtain), vehicles, bladed tools, etc. Why don’t we look at what causes people to do such heinous acts? Guns are nothing new, guns have been around, how do we go from many students having shotguns and rifles in the school parking lot and nary a negligent discharge, to what we have today?
    2 points
  26. No one hid any facts. Sounds like none were posted to begin with. Backup your claims with verifiable links and you should be fine moving forward. You've been here 5 years, you should know how the site works by now. I'd also recommend becoming a booster: https://gridirondigest.net/clients/donations/
    2 points
  27. Yeah, but these are the same guys that had four points to stay up, then two, now three ... what's one Sunday among friends? Or the IHSAA? 🙂
    2 points
  28. Anderson Prep hasn't played a varsity football game since 2019. I don't know why they keep getting put in football enrollments and sectionals.
    2 points
  29. I don't think that's true. I haven't spoken to a coach that feels the official scrimmage is as important as it used to be with the current summer guidelines.
    2 points
  30. Private schools won the 5A, 7A, and 8A football championships in Illinois in 2023.
    2 points
  31. WCGrad- good work. It looks about as good as it can get. P/P being removed from 1A makes no sense especially since that is why they instituted the SF.
    2 points
  32. The editor timed out before I finished. A player who lines up and is neither a back nor a lineman, if he is not the QB, causes the formation to be illegal under 7-2-3. He can’t legally go downfield on a pass, he’s not an eligible receiver, he can’t legally touch a forward pass, and he can’t be in motion at the snap unless he fulfills the requirements of 7-2-7. All of these are fouls. All routinely occur when the wingback lines up too close to the LOS. All are routinely ignored. Until now? Stay tuned. @US31 does that answer your question?
    2 points
  33. I never noticed this until now 🤣🤣🤣
    2 points
  34. You’ll have to ask your wife what I call my sockpuppets
    2 points
  35. I believe they also have one guy specifically designated to monitor the line to gain equipment. You know, to make sure no one gets hit in the eye … 🤣😂
    2 points
  36. Those were the alternates, I believe. They are always there. But, obviously, they have now been given an expanded role. I like it. Gives the guys on the field help when they need it most.
    2 points
  37. I can’t help but think that if it had been an official making a mistake of that magnitude he’d have to get a new identity, complete with plastic surgery, and move to Paraguay.
    2 points
  38. Yeah, it ain't much fun but very necessary. It takes me a day or so to get over the shot. I actually received a stronger shot yesterday, but my reaction is not as bad as the last one. Yesterday was my 4th one.
    2 points
  39. I'm sure Kelce and Reid respect each other, and more importantly, they couldn't care less about the pearl clutching of internet Karens.
    2 points
  40. I The “stunner” label has nothing to do with the Coach. It’s just that in the 57 seasons of Munster football, they’ve only had 3 coaches … and all have had close ties to Munster. John Friend lived in Munster and kids from Munster went to Hammond High, where he was Bernie Kreuger’s assistant, before Munster opened. Leroy Marsh was Coach Friend’s assistant for many years. Jason Grunewald was a player at Munster and was Marsh’s OC for many years. To my knowledge, Coach St. Louis has no ties to the program. That Munster went outside its own little world is the stunning part of this hire.
    1 point
  41. who's working on sectional assignments? lol...i want to see them...
    1 point
  42. That makes more sense. Actually, won't they stay in 6A since they won a sectional?
    1 point
  43. How many times did they show the other celebrities in the crowd and how many of them were allowed on the field for the postgame celebration? Hell, how many of the players n’ SPOUSES were permitted on the field during the trophy presentation? Lets just call this what it is…
    1 point
  44. Cathedral won a regional in 2022 and a sectional in 2023. They will stay in 6A. Lafayette Central Catholic will also stay up a class. They earned 3 points from a sectional in 2022 and regional in 2023.
    1 point
  45. Give me the best version of S32 or give me death!
    1 point
  46. 6A 1 Carmel 5200 2 Ben Davis 4567 3 Warren Central 3748 4 Fishers 3664 5 North Central (Indpls.) 3616 6 Penn 3480 7 Avon 3476 8 Hamilton Southeastern 3442 9 Franklin Central 3362 10 Brownsburg 3297 11 Noblesville 3208 12 Pike 3192 13 Elkhart 3166 14 Crown Point 2978 15 Lake Central 2961 16 Center Grove 2893 17 Lawrence North 2817 18 Westfield 2789 19 Carroll (Fort Wayne) 2569 20 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 2500 21 Homestead 2408 22 Lawrence Central 2404 23 Southport 2368 24 Perry Meridian 2359 25 Zionsville 2309 26 Columbus North 2267 27 Portage 2170 28 Harrison (West Lafayette) 2169 29 Fort Wayne Northrop 2158 30 Jeffersonville 2141 31 Fort Wayne Snider 1915 32 Indianapolis Cathedral 1172 5A 1 Valparaiso 2140 2 Warsaw 2108 3 Whiteland 2074 4 South Bend Adams 2062 5 Decatur Central 2050 6 Merrillville 2050 7 Lafayette Jefferson 2034 8 Goshen 2006 9 Chesterton 1980 10 Castle 1965 11 Hammond Central 1923 12 Floyd Central 1823 13 New Albany 1814 14 LaPorte 1812 15 McCutcheon 1786 16 Plainfield 1773 17 Evansville North 1751 18 Concord 1730 19 Anderson 1722 20 Seymour 1719 21 Bloomington South 1681 22 Terre Haute South 1609 23 Franklin Community 1590 24 Bloomington North 1589 25 Hammond Morton 1534 26 Michigan City 1520 27 Columbus East 1518 28 Munster 1514 29 Terre Haute North 1467 30 Kokomo 1465 31 Fort Wayne North Side 1460 32 East Central 1241 4A 1 Fort Wayne South Side 1459 2 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1455 3 Greenfield-Central 1430 4 Mishawaka 1422 5 Fort Wayne Wayne 1416 6 Mooresville 1398 7 Northridge 1393 8 Huntington North 1382 9 Evansville Reitz 1378 10 Pendleton Heights 1353 11 Muncie Central 1332 12 Richmond 1320 13 Martinsville 1315 14 Hobart 1298 15 South Bend Riley 1298 16 Evansville Harrison 1293 17 Bedford-North Lawrence 1242 18 Logansport 1226 19 Greenwood 1211 20 New Palestine 1209 21 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1170 22 Jennings County 1169 23 Columbia City 1162 24 Indianapolis Shortridge 1159 25 Evansville Central 1131 26 Shelbyville 1093 27 Jasper 1092 28 Indianapolis Roncalli 1082 29 New Haven 1068 30 Plymouth 1054 31 Marion 1045 32 DeKalb 1044 33 Lebanon 1033 34 East Chicago Central 1009 35 Gary West Side 995 36 East Noble 989 37 Kankakee Valley 989 38 Lowell 985 39 Highland 977 40 New Prairie 970 41 Silver Creek 943 42 Connersville 930 43 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 917 44 Frankfort 901 45 Leo 900 46 Wawasee 895 47 Northview 894 48 Beech Grove 892 49 South Bend Washington 886 50 Boonville 884 51 NorthWood 869 52 Evansville Bosse 863 53 Charlestown 854 54 South Bend Saint Joseph 849 55 Culver Academies 832 56 Brebeuf Jesuit 829 57 New Castle 824 58 Danville 820 59 Hanover Central 817 60 Yorktown 812 61 Washington 810 62 Guerin Catholic 800 63 Jay County 800 64 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 730 3A 1 Delta 798 2 Western 791 3 Mississinewa 783 4 Gibson Southern 771 5 Edgewood 761 6 Madison 760 7 Corydon Central 754 8 West Lafayette 750 9 Norwell 745 10 Angola 741 11 Mishawaka Marian 735 12 Lawrenceburg 726 13 Scottsburg 726 14 West Noble 718 15 Vincennes Lincoln 711 16 Crawfordsville 710 17 Hamilton Heights 687 18 Batesville 670 19 Twin Lakes 663 20 Greensburg 662 21 Franklin County 650 22 Owen Valley 650 23 Rushville 645 24 South Dearborn 645 25 Griffith 637 26 Indian Creek 636 27 Heritage Hills 635 28 John Glenn 633 29 North Harrison 629 30 Fort Wayne Concordia 623 31 Evansville Memorial 617 32 Hammond Bishop Noll 617 33 Indianapolis Washington 617 34 Heritage 616 35 Calumet 611 36 Bellmont 610 37 Tri-West 606 38 Maconaquah 604 39 Princeton 600 40 Peru 588 41 Purdue Polytechnic Downtown 578 42 Southridge 576 43 Mount Vernon (Posey) 574 44 Speedway 571 45 Fairfield 570 46 River Forest 567 47 Garrett 556 48 Northwestern 554 49 Cascade 546 50 Tippecanoe Valley 543 51 Lakeland 540 52 Jimtown 538 53 Oak Hill 538 54 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 532 55 Frankton 531 56 Evansville Mater Dei 520 57 Knox 520 58 West Vigo 518 59 Woodlan 518 60 Benton Central 513 61 North Montgomery 513 62 Western Boone 513 63 Centerville 512 2A 1 Bluffton 507 2 Heritage Christian 507 3 Monrovia 503 4 Sullivan 503 5 Eastbrook 501 6 Eastern (Greentown) 499 7 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 498 8 Greencastle 495 9 Salem 494 10 Wabash 492 11 Blackford 490 12 Brown County 488 13 Manchester 475 14 Pike Central 474 15 Rochester 473 16 Bremen 471 17 Brownstown Central 469 18 Alexandria 468 19 South Vermillion 468 20 Triton Central 468 21 Boone Grove 466 22 Lapel 466 23 Switzerland County 464 24 Andrean 455 25 Tipton 454 26 Southmont 453 27 Indianapolis Scecina 448 28 Rensselaer Central 447 29 North Posey 442 30 North Putnam 432 31 Mitchell 430 32 Northeastern 423 33 Whiting 422 34 Prairie Heights 421 35 Park Tudor 421 36 Christel House Manual 420 37 Delphi 417 38 Wheeler 417 39 Elwood 410 40 Winchester 408 41 Adams Central 408 42 Tell City 403 43 Shenandoah 400 44 Paoli 396 45 Lake Station Edison 391 46 Union County 391 47 Eastern (Pekin) 389 48 Lewis Cass 389 49 Whitko 389 50 Linton-Stockton 387 51 Seeger 386 52 Central Noble 385 53 Clarksville 385 54 Eastside 384 55 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 383 56 Crawford County 379 57 Churubusco 378 58 Eastern Hancock 377 59 Perry Central 377 60 LaVille 373 61 Providence 371 62 Taylor 366 63 Lafayette Central Catholic 302 64 Indianapolis Lutheran 267 1A 1 South Putnam 363 2 Winamac 360 3 South Adams 357 4 Parke Heritage 354 5 Forest Park 353 6 Hagerstown 352 7 South Spencer 352 8 Eastern Greene 351 9 North Knox 349 10 Madison-Grant 336 11 Sheridan 336 12 Clinton Prairie 327 13 Carroll (Flora) 321 14 Riverton Parke 320 15 North Newton 319 16 South Central (Union Mills) 318 17 Knightstown 316 18 Milan 315 19 North Decatur 314 20 North Judson 308 21 Monroe Central 301 22 Northfield 296 23 Fountain Central 289 24 Anderson Prep Academy 288 25 Pioneer 286 26 Tecumseh 286 27 Cloverdale 283 28 Fremont 283 29 Covington 281 30 Bowman Academy 277 31 West Washington 277 32 Triton 274 33 North Daviess 273 34 Fort Wayne Blackhawk Christian 270 35 Clinton Central 268 36 Springs Valley 266 37 South Decatur 265 38 North White 264 39 North Miami 263 40 Southwood 263 41 North Central (Farmersburg) 257 42 Tri 256 43 Southern Wells 252 44 Wes-Del 248 45 Culver 246 46 Union City 244 47 Caston 241 48 South Newton 241 49 Cambridge City Lincoln 234 50 Tri Central 232 51 Edinburgh 227 52 Greenwood Christian 222 53 Tri-County 220 54 North Vermillion 218 55 West Central 209 56 Indianapolis Tindley 202 57 Frontier 180 58 Attica 160 https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=1tvJ-o3tt6pEhP9Vf6JfHXRZGG-vN7t0&ll=39.3383701119461%2C-86.16276402831404&z=8
    1 point
  47. Edit: Answered my own question. Brutal sectional that will be.
    1 point
  48. A player screaming into the face of his head coach is not a sign of respect.
    1 point
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