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When we disagree, it will be just like… So far it’s been just like when Barack and I did. It’s in private. She’ll say, “I think we should do A, B, C, or D.” And I’ll say, “I — I don’t… I like A, don’t like B and C,” and let’s go… Okay. But — and I — like I told Barack, if — if — if I reach something where there’s a — a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I’ll, uh… I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll — I’ll develop some disease and say I have to resign. LOL - Wut? He's gonna resign over a disagreement? I thought he was the President?

I had to.....

Typical TSG First - I have never said Trump won. I have asked intelligent thinkers to at least view the evidence while also admitting the time for that to happen is drawing near. The "stupid cases" are being punted to the next level by the courts and municipalities who don't want to appear biased. This will arrive at the Supreme Court sooner or later. Second - The RNC, and other Republicans like myself DO NOT want to "overthrow" the will of the people, so get off your stance. We just want the will of the people to be correctly counted. Third - There is NO president ever that will replace my "God", so don't try that one either. Fourth - I haven't yet called you or your view(s) "ignorant", but that thought has crossed my mind relative to your demeanor.

The fact that nobody bothered to interview a single witness in the case before the court ruled is overshadowed by the all important and hilarious fart noise. Yep. This is the level of stupidity we are dealing with.

The same progressive group arguing "Freedom of Speech" relative to flag burning.....

Sure Dante - I'm going to watch a Youtube video that has a "Party of Trump Stooges" graphic pop up 2 seconds into it and believe its an unbiased view......That's 2 seconds (plus the time it took to type this) I'll never get back.

Hence my "Circle Jerk" reference with Dante. This will continue endlessly Muda. BTW - Here's a perfect example of how progressives ruin something, or at least come up with a solution to a non-existent problem where the solution makes absolutely no sense, except to them...... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-bans-smoking-tobacco-in-apartments-but-not-marijuana/ar-BB1bzt8d San Francisco bans smoking tobacco in apartments, but not marijuana Tim Balk 17 hrs ago To be blunt, it was a loss for tobacco. An ordinance passed by the San Francisco Board of Supervisors on Tuesday bans city residents from smoking tobacco inside their apartments but allows them to smoke pot at home, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. The legislation, which passed by a 10-1 vote, impacts buildings with more than two units and makes San Francisco the largest U.S. city to snuff out cigarette smoke in apartments, according to the Chronicle. “Secondhand smoke causes harm,” Norman Yee, the president of the board of supervisors, said in a Tuesday night tweet, adding that “everyone should have clean air to breathe where they live.” The ordinance reportedly banned the smoking of marijuana in an earlier iteration but was changed amid concerns that the legislation would rob pot smokers of the only place they can legally light up. LOL - WUT? And I would want this group having more of a say in the Presidential election than me?

I literally cannot roll my eyes any further back into my head after that statement......Come on Dante.... This argument/debate becomes a circle-jerk every time I hear it. As you can most likely surmise, I am on the constitutional side of this argument with Muda. Anytime I see someone meander down this path of "we are a democracy", I cringe. The article is making some valid points regarding the effects of our republic to this date, but I can see no legitimate argument to support actually changing the government, just some one complaining about it.. (IMHO)

Idiots....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9009297/How-did-Covid-REALLY-spread-world-Coronavirus-blood-samples-December.html A new study that found traces of coronavirus in US blood samples from December last year is adding to the growing evidence that the virus was circulating for months before China announced its existence, casting more shadows over the truth about the pandemic and fuelling suspicions of a cover-up by Beijing. Claims the global outbreak began in a livestock market in Wuhan last winter have crumbled in the face of scientific evidence proving the virus was all over the Western world weeks and even months before China declared the first cases to the World Health Organization on December 31. Research published on Monday revealed that 39 blood samples taken between December 13 and 16 last year in California, Oregon and Washington state had tested positive for Covid antibodies, meaning the people who gave them had been infected weeks earlier.The evidence is the earliest trace so far of the virus on US soil, and a further 67 samples from between December 30 and January 17 tested positive in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island and Wisconsin. It adds to a growing body of proof that the virus had spread thousands of miles outside of China long before its existence was acknowledged. Scientists in Italy say they now have proof the virus was there in September 2019, traces of it were found in Brazil in November, a French hospital patient had it in his lungs in December, and the virus was present in sewage in Spain in January. The CDC study is the latest in a string of global papers that smash through claims that the virus didn't emerge until December: September 3, 2019 – Veneto, Italy: A study carried out in Italy, by the National Cancer Institute in Milan, found coronavirus antibodies in 111 people out of 959 blood samples taken before March 2020. The first sample that tested positive was dated September 3 and collected in the Veneto region of the country. Italy announced its first official case on February 20. September 4 and 5, 2019 – Emilia Romagna and Liguria, Italy: The National Cancer Institute study found antibodies in blood samples taken from the two regions, which are to the south-west of Veneto. September 9, 2019 – Lombardy, Italy: The first two antibody-positive samples from Lombardy, the Alpine region that contains Milan and was one of the worst hit places in the world during the first wave, date back to September 9. By the time all of September's samples had been analysed, 13 out of 23 that were antibody positive had been taken in Lombardy. September 11, 2019 – Lazio, Italy: The first antibody-positive specimen found from the Lazio region was dated September 11. November 2019 – Brazil: Analysis of past human sewage samples from the southern Brazilian region of Santa Catalina found traces of the SARS-Cov-2 coronavirus as early as November 27. In the city of Florianopolis, samples from between October 30 and March were analysed, will all samples from November 27 onwards testing positive. Brazil announced its first official case on February 26. November 2019 – China: Leaked government documents show cases of coronavirus were being recorded in Wuhan as early as November 17, the South China Morning Post reported in March. China announced its first official cases on December 31. December 2019 – United States: A CDC study published on November 30 2020 revealed that coronavirus antibodies had been found in blood samples taken from people in California, Oregon and Washington as early as December 17. Further testing found Covid-positive samples dating to mid-December and early January in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island and Wisconsin. The US announced its first official case on January 21. December 2019 – France: A man who was coughing up blood in intensive care in Paris on December 27 2019 has since been found to have had coronavirus. Scientists discovered the airport worker by trawling back through patients hospitalised with flu-like symptoms in December. A retrospective coronavirus test done on blood samples taken while he was in hospital found he was infected with the virus at the time, according to a study published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. France announced its first official case on January 24. December 2019 – China: The first cases of 'pneumonia of unknown cause' are reported to the World Health Organization by Chinese officials. A total of 44 had been declared by January 3. January 2020 – Spain: A study by the University of Barcelona discovered traces of the coronavirus in sewage in the city in a sample from January 15. It has been regularly testing sewage during the pandemic to track the presence of the virus, and a look back at older samples found it weeks before Covid-19 was officially discovered in the city. An even older sample showed a 'low' concentration of the virus in March 2019, but this required further research to confirm, scientists said. Spain announced its first official case on January 31. January 2020 – United Kingdom: A man who died on January 30 after falling ill in December later had his death attributed to Covid-19 by a coroner after traces of coronavirus were found in his lungs. Peter Attwood, 84, had developed symptoms of coronavirus on December 28 and later died in hospital, his daughter said, and she also reported being ill with a similar condition in December. Mr Attwood's death happened a day before Britain's first cases of coronavirus were reported on January 31. The studies looking for historic traces of coronavirus divide into three main categories: they either look for signs of specific antibodies in old blood samples, test old sewage samples for traces of the virus's genetic material, or test bodily fluids from past hospital patients. All the methods should – if they work perfectly – only show up genuine signs of the SARS-Cov-2 coronavirus, which causes Covid-19. However, imperfect tests mean there is some room for error or misdiagnosis. Looking for antibodies in past blood samples is a robust way of checking for the disease because antibodies specific to this coronavirus can generally only be found in people who have been infected with it. They are made by the body's own immune system and only made if someone is exposed to the real virus. A possible stumbling block of this method is that antibody tests are not 100 per cent accurate, meaning they will always produce false positive results. False positives appear where the true result is negative, giving misleading results, and are an inevitable part of medical testing. This same problem can arise when testing former hospital patients' fluid samples, which is based on looking for signs of the virus's genetics in the person's bloodstream, which would indicate they were infected at the time. Scientists have also claimed that some people develop generic coronavirus antibodies triggered by other, similar viruses that aren't SARS-CoV-2. This could make some people test positive when in fact they haven't had the virus. Testing sewage samples for the virus relies on the presence of the virus's own genetic material, independent of any human bodily fluids. The virus's genetics can be detected anywhere that viruses – whether dead or alive – are present. They may remain in water, for example, for days or even weeks after being transmitted out of the body through a cough or sneeze or in faeces. Finding traces of the virus in sewage water is a good indicator that it is infecting people in that area. Almost 64million people worldwide have been officially diagnosed with the coronavirus since the pandemic began, although the total is known to be considerably higher, and around 1.5million have died. Officials in China raised the alarm about 27 cases of the disease – which at the time they said was an unknown type of pneumonia – on December 31, 2019, although leaked documents have since proven they had recorded infections in Wuhan at least as early as November 17. The first officially announced victim of Covid-19 was announced on January 11, and the World Health Organization declared a global health emergency on January 31. Documents leaked to CNN in the US show that China had kept thousands of coronavirus cases unreported during February as the pandemic spiralled out of control, on some days confirming fewer than half the number of infections that internal documents suggested had happened. China has come under repeated fire since January over its apparent covering up of the true extent of coronavirus's spread in the country, including how many people caught the virus and when it started happening. Despite being ground zero for the pandemic, the communist dictatorship has still only declared 93,000 cases and 4,700 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University. This compares to 1.6m cases in the UK and 13.7m in the US. Commenting on discrepancies in China's numbers, the Council on Foreign Relations's Yanzhong Huang told CNN: 'It was clear they did make mistakes - and not just mistakes that happen when you're dealing with a novel virus - also bureaucratic and politically-motivated errors in how they handled it.' Trying to save face politically is thought to have been a driver behind the country's delay in publicly announcing it had found the disease. Documents suggest it was first discovered in mid-November but not confirmed until the end of December. So if you are a conspiracy theorist, (if you believe this was a man-made virus) this would play right into a theory that China had to keep it secret until it was spread wide enough to be called a "Global Pandemic" and scare the snot out everyone for whatever reason it was designed for..... Also interesting and I think overlooked today - Scientists have also claimed that some people develop generic coronavirus antibodies triggered by other, similar viruses that aren't SARS-CoV-2. This could make some people test positive when in fact they haven't had the virus. In other words - "Coronavirus" has been around for a long time and (IMHO) is contributing to the COVID-19 numbers today, especially during flu season.

While the time is drawing shorter for the Trump administration to prove anything, and the chances of pulling off a different election outcome are much slimmer, Attorney Powell has an impeccable reputation for making good on her legal claims, even as far-fetched as some may seem. Chances are, she isn't going to pull something off before the electors meet this month, but IF anything actually exists it will come out sometime in the next few years. The question is what will come of it? My theory is and remains that JRB will not be in the position for very long for one reason or another, and we will have our country's first woman President well before the next election.

Ok - Here are some numbers from https://www.census.gov/popclock/ and https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 to put into your hat. US Population: 331,780,397 US Covid Cases: 13,421,114 (4.0 % of the population have or have had the virus - Since March) US Covid Deaths: 267,080 (1.9 % of CASES have actually died from the virus or had the virus while dying from something else) Which (if my math is accurate) means everyone reading this has 8.05 to the -04 power (wtf that number is, but it is really small) % chance of dying from the virus. Higher if you are elderly. But nevermind that - Stay home and mask up!! OH - and disregard the the fact that the CDC is now producing PIC death numbers now as one figure. (Pneumonia, Influenza, Coronavirus)

So lets assume for the sake of argument this is a reality that will play out AFTER December 14. Then my opine (that encouraged TSG to opine "You don't make any sense") relative to my logic behind the Democrat party running Biden instead of Bernie begins to make sense......Because I'm sure Ms. Harris had nothing to do with it and will be as clean as a whistle..........

Are you inferring the Kraken is real?

Sir (I assume, and sincerely apologize if you choose to identify differently) when did SF ever say I want SCOTUS to overturn an election? I only want fair, honest and lawful elections. If the President's lawyers have the evidence and can get a court to hear their case, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY a judge rules in their favor, then I would like anything illegal brought out, and those responsible punished so I can feel good about casting my vote in 2 and 4 years up the road. Just an FYI - the US is not a simple majority democracy. Look at a history book. You are welcome to your opinion.

THAT, my friend, is certainly a possibility......

As it should be. Doesn't mean the current President's efforts will end today. He is still the President last time I checked....The results of his efforts may be the catalyst that gives the left what they need to expel JRB and elevate KDH to become the first female President because (IMHO) that has always been their end game.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html Has anyone else noticed the migration to PIC numbers as the new benchmark? (Pneumonia, Influenza, Coronavirus) The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) collects death certificate data from vital statistics offices for all deaths occurring in the United States. Based on death certificate data available on November 19, 2020, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19 (PIC) for week 46 was 10.7% and, while it is declining compared with the percentage during week 44, it remains above the epidemic threshold. Among the 2,187 PIC deaths reported for week 46, 1,260 had COVID-19 listed as an underlying or contributing cause of death on the death certificate and two listed influenza, indicating that the current increase in PIC mortality is due primarily to COVID-19 and not influenza. The weekly percentage of deaths due to PIC declined from a second peak at the end of July through mid- September, remained approximately stable from the week ending September 19 through the week ending October 3, and increased throughout the month of October. Data for the most recent two weeks currently show a decline, but percentages for recent weeks will likely increase as more death certificates are processed. Weekly mortality surveillance data include a combination of machine coded and manually coded causes of death collected from death certificates. The percentage of deaths due to PIC is higher among manually coded records than more rapidly available machine coded records. Due to the additional time needed for manual coding, the initially reported PIC percentages may be lower than percentages calculated from final data.