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9 hours ago, Plymouthfan91 said:

I wonder if having baseball and softball during the summer might be a better thing than the spring anyway?  

There's always been a few softball people who want softball to begin in July as golf does..

9 hours ago, psaboy said:

That will be interesting to see the grind that may put on lower class kids (Jr & Soph). End football in May and then go back for the 2021 fall season in July/August.

If the alternative is:   2021 Seniors lose their final year.   This is better, I would guess. 

Maybe I dont know football players but I believe sophs and juniors will gladly play more in a smaller 'window' so older boys can get that final year.

9 hours ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

This. This right here.

Apparently I may be in the minority on the whole "let's move to the spring," but I'm telling you, medium to long term I just don't think it will be worth it. I want kids to play, no doubt, but I think we're going to see a lot of burn out in places that go with a spring option. 

Worth what? Its one year. One season. Everybody gets their chance later and nobody risks unknown circumstances now.

This is not a permanent change.

5 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Feb 15th 1st practice

March 5th 1st game

 

 

Coach, this is a realistic plan.  Volleyball cant be held indoors this fall either...

March to June football will be OK for one year...

 But where is baseball and softball in this plan. Summer? 

The best thing about spring football is that it allows fans back in the stands in some way...we have time to plan

Football is the money maker.....To have it this fall with few or no fans is a losing proposition....

..and all senior boys get a chance to play football AND baseball, right?

10 hours ago, Titan32 said:

This is what they say today. 

It will change.....

The suggestion is that simply the use of 'people' as a mascot is inherently demeaning. .....That's wrong on the face of it.

If Twin Lakes, as the anti-Indian letter authors agree, had good intent, then good was intended and no insult should be manufactured. Nothing needs to be changed.

Indy Northwest is the 'Space Pioneers'(but was space travel really worth it?)   Lafayette Catholic is the Knights  (were they good or bad?)  Mishawaka is the Cavemen (werent we all Cavemen at one time?) Eastern is the Musketeers (but who did they shoot?)

..and dont even start with New Palestine.

I think the 'mascot mafia' is a product of idle minds. 

 As of Sunday (July 26) , 16 schools in Northwest Indiana have stopped athletic practices......presumably until Aug. 4

.......I'm thinking that a lot of opinions expressed are colored by where in the state of Indiana you are.....

..and I think that many feel that if the virus isn't showing in their particular part of the state, that its okay to proceed as normal. 

4 minutes ago, foxbat said:

In general, nothing; however, it is my understanding from a couple of posts that I've seen that while the original term "rebels" was divorced from the idea of segregationists and the Confederacy and the school went to lengths to discourage that association, it found its way into some of the support at one time.  I think there are still a couple of posters on the site that may have more info on the history side.

Roncalli is named for a Catholic priest. ..Angelo Roncalli,, who later was named Pope?

I'm assuming that Father Roncalli and the name Rebel have nothing to do with each other? 

The 'R' name just sounded good.? As you suggest,  I doubt that an Indianapolis Catholic school was nick-named after heroes of the confederacy.  

Roncalli was named a Saint?  Maybe Roncalli can be the Saints.  

Can there be anything bad about a Saint?

3 minutes ago, foxbat said:

It's already happened and apparently we are.

https://medium.com/wake-up-call/the-gut-punch-of-losing-my-healthy-dad-to-covid-19-20fa36c95f1c

 

 

Scary, FOX, that's all I can say. 

If we play this fall, there almost certainly will be casualties. And we will know who they are. 

1 hour ago, Julio said:

There will be the possibility of 16 days available for the athletes to get their 10 mandatory days In before the 1st game.  If an athlete does not participate in the scrimmage,  they may practice in the morning and count it towards their 10 days.

Julio, are the scrimmages still on???

Might be a good idea to cancel them and begin with the season.

3 hours ago, Robert said:

Indiana ALL strains of flu deaths 2019-2020 season:  166

Allen County Covid deaths since, what, March 2020:  158

Indiana Covid deaths since March 2020:  2863

Scary, Robert.    

I wonder when someone connected with high school football dies of Covid (player or coach), do we simply continue.?

Help me out here. What is offensive about being a  'Rebel' ?

5 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

I do and I don't.....

I hope our legal system doesn't consider burden of proof as speculation.  (your examples of Jimmy and Suzie....how do I know they weren't exposed at a party, at Pizza Hut , at church, on a date, running into each other at Wal-Mart, etc.?)

This particular age group is not at high risk for hospitalization and mortality...at least not currently.  Sadly, they are at much higher risk everytime they get behind the wheel of a car.  

Many other countries are finding a way to return to school.  

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-school-reopen-millions-children-europe-asia-return-covid-guidlines-2020-05-21/

I just find it hard to believe that we can't protect the most vulnerable to mortality with this virus, while returning to work and school.

I am not downplaying the negative effects of COVID...I just think we can manage this risk and still let people live as close to a normal life as possible.....I hate to see fear win the day without truly understand who is most at risk and how to protect them.

I certainly respect your thoughts....its a tough subject.

TD;

I appreciate your thoughts and obviously I dont know what's going to happen. 

Most of the people on this board are pretty hard core. They've seen it all. Until now.  Its the unknown aspect of this that is scary.

Just so we're clear, I do think I know how you feel. I was seriously depressed to see the basketball tourney wiped out. 

And Crown Point high school had 13 returning starters off a team rated No.1 in 4A in baseball and three Division I softball pitchers on the 2020 squad that was the defending regional champ.  But the spring season was wiped out. A total loss. 

I've walked the sidelines every football season since the 1980s like may here have and I've already been told that I would be seriously foolish to attend ANY basketball games this winter with the virus and some pre-existing medical conditions (like old age) that I have. The empty school campuses where I live truly upset me and I admit to being a little scared that I wont live long enough to see things return to the 'normal life' you speak of. 

I really do want the football season to go on as scheduled next month.

7 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

OUM:

I want you to sell all the baseball coaches, players, families, schools, the idea that they cannot play their sport in the spring because football is being played instead.   

If you tell me kid has to pick one or the other, wrong answer. 

The kid will be lucky if he gets to make a choice of either one, coach.   That's just the way it would be.

And after no basketball tourney, no baseball, no track and no tennis, they'll be lucky to play checkers in the spring.

Spring football assumes some medical vaccine or treatment help that is not guaranteed in any way.

This is a football board so we havent even discussed basketball.   500-1000 kids Indoors? Grabbing and holding (on good defensive teams) and sweating on each other. Starting in November? That sport has less chance of going off than football.

If football is cancelled, basketball might be, too.

By spring the kids and everybody who knows them could be begging for the chance to make a choice.

On 7/18/2020 at 8:10 PM, wrcsage said:

I want someone to answer one simple question:  What is different now than back in March?  The virus is still here.  There is still no vaccine or treatment for it.  I hope we have fall sports and I hope we all go back to school.  But how can anyone sit back and watch all that is going on and say they are confident that it will all happen?  There is literally no difference between July 18 and March 18.  

Nothing has changed.   The virus is not gone.   In-school school is dangerous.  So is football, volleyball, basketball....

We should wait until January at least.

9 hours ago, superjay said:

Play until you can't.  Suspend, restart, play until you can't.  Moving to spring is not the answer.

Spring football skips over a lot of problems. The big one being that we may have a vaccine by February or March.....

We also will have experience in the in-school Covid way of life.  

12 schools up our way are suspended....as you are reading this. 

You would like spring football

56 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

How does one prove the exposure occurred at school first...then how does one prove that a particular person exposed someone in a higher risk group?

Vaccines and treatments don't prevent and cure every strain on pneumonia or influenza for that matter.  Couldn't I use your logic of liability for those disease states as well?

Mortality rates for Covid don't exceed 1% until the 60 and above age group.  Could we find an alternative to protect the higher risk age groups vs thinking that if we just teach on-line that solves the problem.  Because we learned from last semester is that it doesn't.  

You probably cannot use pneumonia or influenza because they are known and accepted risks with existing treatments and vaccines. They also aren't tested for at school and also aren't part of a world wide pandemic.

That's the second thing you're going to hear at the trial. 

.  The first thing is that it is No. 1 responsibility of all schools is to keep kids safe. Above education and athletics. Keep them safe. Can anyone at any school do that with Covid right now.?

I'm not a lawyer but.........

"Sure, we knew Jimmy Quarterback tested positive but we didnt know what the virus would do to his girlfriend Susie Cheerleader or her friends Charlene and Lulabell (Jimmy and Susie go to a southern Indiana school)"  is probably not a legal defense.

Until there is a vaccine, a treatment or a cure, will parents accept FULL liability in writing for anything THIS all-new virus does to their son or anyone their son knows or doesn't know at school that he came in contact with?.  Forever. 

Will any school board accept full liability for anything THIS all-new virus does to ANY student they know has tested positive or any other student that boy came in contact with.. It does not matter where the kid got the virus. He tested positive at the school.

Mortality rates are irrelevant. There's about  20,000 teenagers in the eight school Duneland Athletic Conference. It only takes one at each school. 

And what does Covid do to those who 'recover'? And haven't there been cases of 'recovered' Covid victims testing positive again???

And does the school board know of any previously undetected pre-existing condition which would make Jimmy, Susie, Charlene, Lulabell or anybody else then come across more vulnerable to Covid? 

"We don't know. We cant say. We didn't have time to find out. We couldn't answer those questions."   is probably also not a legal defense. 

See what I mean?   What you and I want is a low priority.

On 7/18/2020 at 12:25 PM, Rodney said:

After taking an extremely well paying job in the indianapolis area this year I am now in the hunt for a new team to follow. Looking for any helpful insight.

Bishop Dwenger is your old team?      Try Bishop Chatard.....How many titles have they won?

2 hours ago, Playmaker said:

Pneumonia is very contagious! And is deadly for older people and younger people! It’s time to open the schools up and let the kids play! 
if you don’t want to go to a game don’t! You don’t want your kid to go to school or play then don’t! But as a whole it’s time to move on!

It doesn't matter what you or I want. It doesn't matter what time it is. 

Once school is open and a kid gets sick and there is a lawsuit, who is liable.?   It wont be you or me. Who will pay for the sick kids?  It wont be you or me. 

If no one accepts liability for what happens to students, coaches, players and fans, there wont be school or games. That's just the way it is.

Parents have to waive all legal rights to whatever happens or school districts have to be legally liable for kids getting the virus no matter what it does to them. 

1 minute ago, Titan32 said:

I will sign it for my 14 year old twins.

If the majority of parents agree, the games can go on.

4 hours ago, Irishman said:

Was not sure which of the fifty or so threads that are going now about the start of the year/season. 🤣https://www.wibc.com/news/local-indiana/ihsaa-to-allow-schools-offering-virtual-classes-to-still-participate-in-fall-sports/

This is a major step towards playing this fall.

4 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

If people studied mortality due to Covid vs. pneumonia for the demographic of concern (age of players), they might be surprised......but we don't give a second thought about pneumonia.....

But pnuemonia is no where near as contagious as Covid, no where near as deadly for their older relatives or teachers and, again, there is no vaccine, treatment or cure for Covid.

School districts are obviously legally liable for all aspects of this virus once they open the door.

 How do you reconcile that problem?   

27 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

If being "case free" is a prerequisite for any high school sports this year....there definitely won't be any highs school sports this year.  

It probably is.

What parent is going to sign a 'death waiver' absolving the school district of ALL legal liability if their kid catches a virus and dies playing district-sponsored sports after his teammate tested positive for the same virus for which there is no vaccine, no treatment and no cure?

What school district is going to accept the ALL legal liability for the damage done to a student involved in a district-sponsored extra curricular activity after a similar kid in the same activity tested positive for a virus for which there is no vaccine, no treatment and no cure..?

Cant blame either one.

On 7/16/2020 at 8:13 PM, Irishman said:

I am not a fan of a decision like this happening at the State level. If a local community and/or school board decides like we are seeing with sports and schools, then ok. I am sad for the kids in all of those situations, but it still should be a local call. 

The IHSAA cant do that. The members are are interconnected. The IHSAA must decide as a group for ALL of its members......

You cant have 58 school districts making 58 different decisions with different levels of education about the issue and different levels of toleration of risk.  You get extreme decisions.    And mistakes that, in this case, would be contagious. 

There needs to be a state-wide call.  Soon.

Is the term 'Hoosier' offensive?

   To me it just means 'being from Indiana' 

If anyone suggests (apparently a few have) that its derogatory, I would say its not derogatory to me.....and I'm one of the ones 'Hoosiers' refers to and I believe it is meant with home-state pride.

Is if fair that a minority of the 'subjects of a nickname' can inspire the change of that nickname..

..over the wishes of the majority of the subjects of that same nickname.?