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CP is going to come in very aggressive. They know just like all of us, Penn has only faced one true test and that was Mishawaka earlier this season. I expect them to come out and test our D down field early and to bring pressure against our QB on early downs to see if the O is ready for it. If Penn can with stand that we will be in good shape to compete. I just don't know if this team is ready for the punch in the mouth CP will provide them. I PRAY I AM WRONG.

St. Joe's D didn't look good early against Penn, but they seemed to bow up for the second quarter. If that D shows up for the next 8 quarters they will be hard to beat. Mishawaka is getable they allowed Northwood to gash them in the run game all night, if it wasn't for fumbles and a bad snap inside the 5 that game could have been very different for Mishawaka.

Ah, I didn't realize it has been that long.

I was not aware of that. Does HSE have enough to get by Homestead, with their QB out? Might be a dumb question.

Temp do you think if HSE and Carroll played again it would be a different game? What is the spread at Carroll or at HSE?

I see Penn and Carroll being comparable.

Any given Friday anyone can win a game. That Northridge team is pretty bad. They had some unluckly games, I expect St. Joe's D to hold them to under 10 points.

This list is longer than I thought it would be!!! Great work NIC teams. Penn wins it by halftime. Carroll wins by at least 17 points. I am going to go with Kokomo, because when I pick Adams to win they get beat, so I am hoping the trend keeps. Marian wins tight game St. Joe is on a path that seems to be an inevitable collision with Mishawaka.

That is fair.

Temp come on, how is it mental gymnastics to point out that the game played that year was not much of a contest. I am not trying to flex on Center Grove, it is pointless. They are a far better program than Penn at this moment. Penn has nothing to flex about. I hardly ever bring up the 5 state titles we have won, unless comparing Penn to Penn. I regularly bring up those butt whippings Penn has received in like their last four or 5 outings at state. Penn has had 2 state title games where they were the clear better team, that night. Evansville North and CG. Other than that they were in tight games or getting blown out.

6A - SOUTHPORT 213 (FINGERS CROSSED) sectional 7 5A - MUNSTER 177 sectional 9 4A - LEBANON 107 sectional 20 3A - MISHAWAKA MARIAN 174 sectional 25 2A - SWITZERLAND CO. 205 sectional 40

I went too safe...good lord!

CG did nothing in that game until their last offensive play, which was their only chance of scoring all night long.

I lost 1A which sucks because that class is full of Sagarin points

Crap, well let's hope Penn is better than Merrillville for my sanities sake. I get Portage scoring 23 on LaPorte but not on Merrillville

Alright, who all is doing the Temp eliminator contest... I am so torn on 6A, do I play it safe with a game I am dang near 100% sure of and take less points or risk the entire 6A on the Southport/Arsenal Tech game for a huge injection of points. I am at a crossroads. hahaha

My father and I went to the Mishawaka v Northwood game, it ended up being more of a game than we expected after the first half Mishawaka produced. Northwood stormed back, had their chances to tie, but Mishawaka responded and held firm in the end. They got a late sack fumble that was ran back for a TD. They are lined up to face St. Joe, who has a heck of a defense and that game could be one heck of a sectional championship (assuming both teams take care of business on Halloween). If your team in not in it anymore and you want to potentially see a great game I recommend Mishawaka/St. Joe.

Wes-Del you didn't show up!!! dang it!

Sure, they have every chance to prove that in the tournament. Teams that win their games Like Carmel and CP should be granted their reward of home games. I am not saying Westfield is bad or less than CP, based on merit of winning their schedule they earned the two spot. I punished Penn for their weak schedule but yet still gave them the five seed because they took care of business. Even though every person that lives south of 24 believes that Penn would be a sub .500 team in the HCC most years. Which is likely true, but again, win your schedule and get the rewards of playing home playoff games.

Do we not still reward winning? CP's 9-0 is better than Penn's, but Fishers and Westfield's records are better than Penn's 9-0 as well. This is the SEC conversation over and over and over again. These teams are so good they should be rewarded no matter what. 3 and 4 seeds vs the 2 and 3 seed is picking nits. It is not like I put them 5-9.

How I would do this, it takes into account record but also who you have played and tries to balance them. North - 1. Carmel - 16. Portage 2. CP - 15. Harrison (WL) 3. Westfield - 14. LC 4. Fishers - 13. Noblesville 5. Penn - 12. Snider 6. HSE - 11. Zionsville 7. Carroll - 10. Elkhart 8. Homestead - 9. Northrop South - (this was harder for me, being from the North) 1. Brownsburg - 16. Southport 2. CG - 15. N. Central 3. Lawrence North - 14. Jeffersonville 4. Decatur Central - 13. Arsenal Tech 5. Warren - 12. Perry Meridian 6. Lawrence Central - 11. Pike 7. Avon - 10. Ben Davis 8. Franklin Central - 9. Columbus North So many teams around .500 in the south it is hard to point to where they should be ranked. Clearly with Sagarin it takes some of the subjectiveness away. Sorry I should have said that, Since Temp mentioned that is how you did it, I just wanted to post it if anyone missed that thread.

This is @Indiana Fan's post on how he would see the tournament. #1 Carmel vs #16 Portage #8 Zionsville vs #9 Homestead #5 Penn vs #12 Elkhart #4 Crown Point vs #13 Noblesville #3 Fishers vs #14 Lake Central #6 HSE vs #11 Harrison (West Lafayette) #7 Carroll (Fort Wayne) vs #10 FW Northrop #2 Westfield vs #15 FW Snider SOUTH: #1 Brownsburg vs #16 Arsenal Tech #8 Franklin Central vs #9 Ben Davis #5 Avon vs #12 North Central (Indianapolis) #4 Decatur Central vs #13 Perry Meridian #3 Lawrence North vs #14 Jeffersonville #6 Lawrence Central vs #11 Pike #7 Warren Central vs #10 Columbus North #2 Center Grove vs #15 Southport

Realistically, Take into account the records plus who they have played. Like Penn is not the 3 seed even though record says they would be. split north south obviously.

If you have a burner on the sideline, first play throw it deep. See if the Penn secondary is as good as they have played all season. Penn relies on getting to the quarterback. If they can get to him either with the sack or with pressure their DBs can make plays down the field. The O, can become pass happy at times. Which is frustrating when they are a good running team. They have quality backs and even a back that if you get him into space can become a big problem. 3 is shifty hard to bring down, 4 is a hard runner that can brake a play wide open and 10 is the bruiser of the group.

@temptation how would you seed this years tournament if you had the power? @23andCounting how would you seed this years tournament if you had the power?