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58 minutes ago, BTF said:

Is the Fort on an up swing? Doubtful. I've got 4 up, 5 down, and one the same. 

But 2-3 teams in the finals isn't far fetched. I have Concordia "down" with the loss of a good senior class. However, Tim Mannigel returns and he has the Cadets on solid footing every year it seems. Plus, Chatard moves up. Concordia in the championship isn't far fetched. 

Snider and Dwenger, in that order, have as good of a shot as anyone to represent 5A North. Snider is on an uptick and should be back to form for the next three years. 

Luers? I really don't see anyone stopping them next year. No one up north anyway. 

The cadets will be down after losing most if not all of their playmakers on both sides of the ball. 3-6/4-5 range in the SAC. By the time playoffs come around, I think they’ll get a favorable draw with Norwell losing a good senior class as well and could make a run.

Snider and Carroll will battle for the Victory Bell. Dwenger and Homestead will be right behind. Snider is the only one of those 4 that didn’t really lose much to graduation. Snider could legitimately be a threat in 5A. Strong defense, playmakers on offense with a big line. Just need to iron out the Qb situation.

As far as Luers goes, I’m not sure why so many are already penciling them in as state champions?? I think in conference Luers next year is 3-6/4-5 like Concordia, with the winner being 4-5 lol. Playoff wise, it’s no gimme. They will most likely have Eastside, Fairfield and Adams Central in their sectional. Regional they’ll see the likes of Eastbrook, Tipton and semi state could see matchups with LCC or Pioneer. All of those teams are capable of beating Luers and very well could if the Knights don’t play 48 minutes of Luers football. All those picking Luers to win it, yes they could but I wouldn’t bet on it.

39 minutes ago, temptation said:

Gimme a Fort Wayne/SAC starting 22.  I’m intrigued by this.

Let me do a little research on the guys coming back next year and I’ll post it. Some positions there’s more than one guy we can put out there so it’ll take some time. Forgive me as well as I’m also at work at the moment 😆

4 hours ago, temptation said:

Not to derail the original topic of the thread here but all of this transfer talk got me to thinking...

How much damage could a SAC/FW all-star team do at the 6A level?  Its the offseason, so I am just bored and spitballing.

A shoe in for the state title?

As far as building a 6A power goes, that’s a possibility but not a foregone certainty. Where the FW area schools lack compared to Indy metro schools is offensive and defensive line size. It’s hard to compete with teams who have guys across the board who are 6’4-6’7 and anywhere from 265 to 305 per guy. We just don’t have that kind of size here minus a few outliers (Randy Holtz, Joe Tippmann)

5 hours ago, Prospect said:

I don't think he would actually transfer to Dwenger, and agree he would fit in much better at Luers or Snider. I fully expect him to remain at North Side, especially if they get a quality coach (he may also stay for basketball, I have no idea which sport he prefers.) 

I would love to see Luke Amstutz from East Noble in the SAC, but I don't see him leaving EN for North either. 

We’ll see how the basketball season plays out but if the past few seasons are any indicator, North will struggle and it doesn’t sound like it’s gonna get better in the foreseeable future. The whole transfer thing is just something I thought was interesting given the number of transfers sac schools have had over the past few years strictly due to athletic reasons.

12 minutes ago, Prospect said:

Hopefully to Snider if he doesn't stay at North, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him wearing Navy and Gold... It's also spelled Brauntae 😉

He also plays Basketball so I wouldn't expect him to leave North in all honesty.

Dwengers track record of integrating transfers isn’t the greatest. They’re very proud of their 2 deep consisting of feeder school CYO kids. If anywhere, Snider and Luers seem like likely the 2 best options. I only say Luers because of the passing game they bring back. I’d think any high level athlete would wanna be apart of that.

11 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Coach Brevard is a sensational human being. 

Agreed. Very humble and gets the best out of his players.

53 minutes ago, Prospect said:

I don't see him jumping ship at Wayne after 1 year especially for North.

Not sure how desirable the North job is especially with Dwenger looming in the sectional for who knows how long. Hopefully the Legends can get a great replacement to keep the momentum going from this year. 

 

North sides team that had so much success this year was filled with seniors and not many underclassmen key players. With not much coming back to work with, I kind of expected a move like this. Had he stayed, he’d essentially be starting all over. Big question here to me is this: where does 6’3 freshman receiver Brontae Johnson go? Stay at north or transfer?? And if transfer, to where? 

6 minutes ago, superjay said:

That is not your typical Luers team.  Good athletes not the great ones they were known for in the past.

Exactly my point. The Luers teams from 2007-2012 that won 5 out of 6 2A state championship games were filled with great athletes. They just don’t have the same caliber of talent anymore.

4 minutes ago, Lysander said:

+1 sir.  I’m all out of my smiley face “thingies” for the day.

Yes.  And at least 3 other DT threads about Chatard, Cathedral and Roncalli either combined or separately.

I mostly stick to my local teams threads. Seems like much discussion has taken place about those other schools so looks like I have some threads to read! lol 😂 To be fair to Luers though, they aren’t like the Indy area p/p’s that cycle in great classes year in years out, they really have struggled to get the kids they have and keep them. They aren’t as well off as some may think.

1 minute ago, Lysander said:

Some “P/P”s are more err....”disliked” than others.  

It’s usually proportional to the number of prior State Championships.  Luers clearly falls into the “much more disliked” category....add the whole “Catholic” thing as well.  

You’re in good company.

See that’s exactly the train of thought I was having on the topic. There really seems to be a lot of distaste for Luers on this forum. I don’t think state titles or the catholic thing have much to do with it because if that did then Chatard and cathedral would be the most “disliked” of all. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Huh?

Meaning yesterday when Luers lost, there was celebration negative comments from certain posters about the knights. Now with covenant beating south adams, I’m not hearing the outrage of a private beating a public. 

Congrats to CC. My question is where is all the talk about P/P vs public?? It seems to me like that debate only takes place when it happens outside of the Indy metro area. Then it’s Frowned upon. Just my take away. 

3 minutes ago, foxbat said:

1. Luers isn't a public school. 
2. Even if you toss in Luers, you have two private schools in six seasons, as opposed to the previous five that referenced ... and they still loss.  Of course, if we are using this season too, then my statement about WeBo's two back-to-back appearances changes to three back-to-back appearances and wins.
3. I'm not seeing Luers in the previous 5 years in 2A:

But..but...P/P 2A Dominance!! Public schools are at a disadvantage! 

26 minutes ago, TheStatGuy said:

I had no idea the kicker from WeBo was Hunter Smith's son. 

That was one of the best games ive seen on tv (as far as hs goes)

Luers is gonna be so dang good next year. 

WeBo should be solid again. It'll be interesting to see how much their line bulks up.. Gonna need to be solid up front in 3A. 

They won’t be that good. Compared to the pioneers, eastsides, and mater dei’s of the world, they won’t fare well. 

Another question I have @Bobref is on the rule on fair catch. In high school do you have to give the defense a window of time to get away from the receiver? Seemed like potentially the last punt fair catch was called a little late and the contact was simply off of unstoppable momentum and not anything malicious. 

1 minute ago, Bobref said:

As I said, I don't know if the receiver stepped out, or if he did, why he did. But, if the receiver voluntarily stepped out and returned, then the result of the play should have been a double foul, i.e., live ball fouls by both teams that offset, and the down is replayed at the previous spot.

Ok understood. Thank you.

2 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I did not see the play in question on the replay, only live, and don't know whether or why the receiver stepped out of bounds. But this is the rule:

• A receiver who was eligible at the start of a play remains eligible throughout the down, no matter what.
• If the receiver steps out of bounds as a result of contact with the defender, no matter how slight, and returns to the field of play at the earliest opportunity, there's no foul.
• If the receiver stepped out of bounds on his own and returns to the field of play, it is a foul at the spot he returns. The foul is for illegal participation, a 15 yd. live ball penalty which, in this particular case since it occurred during a pass play, would be enforced from the previous spot and the down replayed.
• Since the DPI and the illegal participation are both live ball fouls, they offset and the down is replayed at the previous spot.

From what I saw, the DPI was a good call. The other 6 observers I'm watching the game from the pressbox with agree.

So in this case the penalties should have offset and webo shouldn’t have gotten the 15 yards based on the rule? Or I could be misinterpreting it.

Warren Central from 2003-06. Luers from 09-12.

5 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Sheridan and LCC both appeared four years in a row ... 2005-2008 and 2009-2012 respectively.  Sheridan took blue rings in the first three apperances in that block while LCC took four blue rings.  Cathedral five-peated from 2010-2014 and did it across two classes ... 4A and 5A.

I believe though that WeBo might be the only team to win three consecutive blue rings in the the same class in the SF era.  Pioneer made three consecutive trips to LOS in SF from 2016-2018, but like WeBo, ended up split cycle to miss moving up.  Also Pioneer only picked up two blue rings in those three consecutive visits.

Warren from 2003-06. Luers from 2009-12 but I think you’re right about them being the first in the SF era to 3peat.

Very sad for these Luers kids to have a game be decided that way. I thought when they got the ball back with 1:55 that they shouldn’t of been conservative. Stay true to who you are and drive the ball downfield but hey. Now it’s on to next year, your goal remains the same. This loss should fuel you to be better. 
 

This is a great thing for everyone on this thread/forum who hates parochial and private schools. It’s like Christmas come a few weeks early! I’m not sure why there is so much hate, but enjoy basking in it. Much respect to Webo. Hard fought game.

4th quarter here we go! Hoping for a good finish to an exciting game this far. 

7 minutes ago, wvigo13 said:

Really poor end to the half by WeBo. Bad clock management and then a fumble......

If I’m webo, I do what I do best and run my workhorse in Taylor. Those blast and dive plays mixed with a play action to Garrity here and there should be the play book for the second half.

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Poor Luers.

I think we know who you’re rooting for! Lol 😂 

24 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

I would expect leading into this game, a steady stream of former Bishop Luers players will be making: Zoom calls, tweets, phone calls and the like.  All focusing on the 'legacy of the program.

Now what the current players do, and how they process that information, is anyone's guess. 

It is shocking...but not unpredictable that they made it this far in the tournament. 

I don’t know how it is now but when I was there many years ago, former players would call, send texts, write letters and come talk to us at practice and games reminding us of just how important it was to carry on the winning tradition. That was throughout the whole year. So to us, if we left Indianapolis without that State championship, we didn’t accomplish our goal and our season was a failure. No moral victories for us. I’m sure Kyle (Lindsay) has his team approaching this week the same way. 

40 minutes ago, XStar said:

Western Boone is on a 17-game postseason win streak.  Their longest previous postseason win streak was 10 games.  Who ended that streak?

That would be Bishop Luers in the ‘89 Semi State 33-12 👀. That ‘89 Luers team was a tough nosed bunch. They loved to run the football with over 3000 team yards. Fred Moore was arguably the best back in the state that year with just over 2000 to finish the season. He was electric ⚡️ 

8 minutes ago, Purdue Pete said:

And I’m assuming Luers won’t hand the 3 points after half

We can only hope! Webo defensively I think is more sound than pioneer, however I do think Luers will be able to exploit the holes in that secondary.

55 minutes ago, Purdue Pete said:

Not sure how u came to this conclusion.  Webo can’t throw the ball.  They’re oline is undersized.  This will be a pioneer repeat but worse.  Once webo gets down 10 they will try to throw the ball and it will quickly get ugly.  Luers wins by 28.

That’s if they get down by 10. What happens if it’s a repeat of the semi state for Luers? Also, I wasn’t implying that webo had a threatening pass game or anything like that, just that their offense is similar to pioneers but they can and will throw a pass here and there. Regardless, Luers’ defense needs to play their very best game of the year.