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19 minutes ago, CoachMack219 said:
This can't be happening. 😂 Lol I defend the Govs almost everywhere I go. No way I can defend naming them a top 10 team in 5A. Gotta earn that first and while the Govs have the ability, and schedule, to EARN making it into the top 10, they're gonna HAVE TO prove it (like we all do).
I am not even talking about "HIS" rankings. I am talking about "HIM" posing as a mother of football players.
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On 4/13/2024 at 9:11 AM, Footballmomma said:
I have been around region football since I was 5. Watching my brothers and now my sons grow up and play. We have always be fascinated with the talent level in the area. But I wanted to attempt to take a stab at 5A and see what you guys are 💭.
1. Decatur central (was state runner up)
2. Merrillville (north semis runner up)
3. Valpo (regional runner up to #2)
4. Bloomington south (semi runner up)
5. Whiteland (regional runner up)
6. Lafayette Jefferson (down from 6A)
7. East central (back to back state titles 4A)
8. Warsaw( down from 6A)
9. Bloomington north
10. Hammond Morton (multiple D1s back)
feel like some of these can be switched but I think the top 2 are perfect? What do you guys think. (Doing one for 3A shortly)
Man, this is some great stuff right here.
Mental illness on full display.
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13 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:
Ben Davis was a really good football team last year, but Brownsburg or Center Grove could have won it all too. The Giants were just a little better/luckier on that particular night. It was going to be one of those three or even Cathedral in 6A. Respectfully, no one in the North was going to win State last year as good as CP was.
2/2 today sir! Spot on.
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4 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:
I was just wondering what was considered Indy. 🤣
Oh, I know. A harmless question, but there are no harmless questions with him.
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1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:
What are we defining as "Indy"?
Please don't encourage him.
"footballmomma", lol.
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On 4/13/2024 at 7:54 PM, Irishman said:
Or maybe you are responding TO that guy???
This. The grammar makes it a dead giveaway.
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On 4/9/2024 at 3:50 PM, BTF said:
The key to 6A success is seeing two Indy area teams during the regular season. That wasn't the case in the 80's and 90's when there were only 3-5 good teams out of Indy. Fast forward two decades and the landscape has changed, now there are 10-15 good teams from Central Indiana. Kids in Indy are no more talented than kids in any other area of the state, but I think they are a little more hardened by way of the schedule they play week in and week out. If you don't see that level of toughness during the regular season, it's like running into a brick wall in the postseason. There's one particular program that would probably argue this logic, but I think it'll work for most programs.
Homestead agrees.
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Remember when this woman was going to “break glass ceilings?”
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14 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:
For me, the sources of the information coming out matter. For instance, would I tend take what Colin Cowherd or Skip Bayless opinion on CW or would I think former College/NFL greats who are still involved in the business opiniion when it comes to leadership, player performance, attitude etc?
And I believe when you say your watching of college football and that is fine
Once again, watching the headlines last 2 weeks get out of control during the time period of Combine to Draft where the majority of these "hit" pieces generates from is what caused me to comment in this thread in the first point with a counterpoint opposite of yours and others opinion on CW, the player, person, leader.
You know, fact was, I put COKE first, because yes, its clear cut, however, since it was tenuous discussion, felt the need to put a poor leader of beverages, a beverage with no skill, leadership, and other negative traits out there for that reaction. Felt it was needed. No argument, Coca-Cola over all
I agree with this: Reason: unlike every other Chicago Bears rookie QB, they actually will have surrounded him with actual bonafide NFL offensive players to throw and hand the ball off to along with a skilled, productive defense. Those are the reasons why I believe they can make the playoffs with him as a ROOKIE QB. Won't be easy with the division on the upswing, and health and OL development is still paramount, but the bears organization as a whole is in far better shape with roster, talent, cap space and skill then previous 10 years.
I guess I see your point but there are just so many fluff pieces and copy and paste type quotes said by media members and other folks who simply want to toe the line and avoid controversy that it makes my head spin.
I don’t have time to comb through who is genuine and who has marching orders from their bosses.
There are countless examples of athletes who are forced down our throats by certain individuals more so than others. I’ll continue to form my own opinion based on what I see.
Great thing about this debate is that eventually the results on the field will prove one of us right.
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42 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
What would constitute a successful rookie season for young Mr. Williams in the NFL? For me it would to start every game and the Bears make the playoffs. If one of those doesn't happen he will be a failure. With all the hype I've read such an outcome is certainly possible.
Seems ambitious but as mentioned above, I am far from an NFL guy.
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1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:
Negative statement on why you feel CW is not going to be successful
Clear cut statement that you do believe in his leadership ability,
Yes you didn't call him a loser, correct, you have questioned his leadership citing only thing as crying on national tv after a loss.
See above, you inferred this, YES< you win, sir, you did not type "POOR LEADER". you implied a through and through
"did not capture essence of leadership for me". Your opinion, however, that is a negative statment clearly implying that moment was not up to snuff for you and you inferred questioning his leadership ability.
"stuck a nerve comments". I am too emotional comment.
Lets address this:
So. I come on this thread about Bears, I read from @Bash Riprockand @temptation commentary on why you both think and have poked at CW as a football player with his poor performance in 1 game, (I showed a thread of other GREAT QBs having a bad college game to debunk that narrative regurgitated from the national clicks and now I have provided a throughal counter point questioning his "crying' his leadership from others who are far more connected to this guy, college and football overall than any of us here.
Because I have done that, I am now obsessed with your opinion because I have a different one and have shown with other sources why your opinion could be rooted in falsehood from a negative national media narrative. Exactly why I posted the Herbie clip from McAfee from a few days ago, sums exactly what happens for guys like... Caleb Williams. and wait for it..a guy like Zach Edey..... and of course a gal like Caitlin Clark
Those 3 players are the BEST players in their respective sports, both you can argue have been the BEST for 2 consecutive years. Because of that, they are targets for negative clickbait gotta fill space and make money articles and narratives to discredit they work they have done on the field so that content is available to make money. I feel like yourself and temptation have followed those narratives, which I used the world Lazy.. that is my opinion on it. I view this threw a different lens you have and that is fine too, but to dismiss all the info I have provided as me somehow rage posting in this scenario is just not accurate.
Why are our "narratives" click bait whereas what McAfee and Herbstreit say is the gospel? Can't pick and choose.
I long ago gave up on ESPN to provide unbiased journalism so I am not sure why I am now supposed to simply blindly believe their "reporting" and opinion pieces.
I watched enough college football this season with my educated eyes to make an informed opinion. I don't need others to form one for me.
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12 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:
Do you support mental health initiatives in our High School, College, and Pro Sports? Because after all the other nonsense, this what it comes down to here, Kid breaks down after an emotional loss, seeks comfort with 2 parents, then gets vilified for it by folks here in Indiana and nation wide, when I say good for him and I didn't think anything of it at the time well before Bears got the 1st pick and even more so now.
Ultimately that is what this current conversation is about, the player himself said it, whether anyone gives it a second notion, that is on you all, but for me, I believe in the impact of negative mental health and its performance on the field. Why are many College, Pro orgs hiring full staffs for this very thing?
I sat in at the IFCA state football clinic with Jake Gilbert and his DC now current HC, Josh Miracle along with 3rd party mental health program they have started for the Rocks, It was phenomenal and I took alot of great things from that session.
Sadly, not sure in this thread or not, but there are those sentiments that these conversations and actions of these players make them WEAK and add in all the other macho nonsense that still gets spewed out there, again, Sadly.
Nick Hardwick: He was pretty decent: https://www.wishtv.com/news/health-spotlight/former-nfl-player-tackles-mental-health-with-men-of-westfield/
Here is former Westfield HS assistant Coach who started this company and this is what Westfield is doing right now in conjunction with a Psychology teacher who is now an volunteer coach on staff, she is vital role on staff for their mental health and pulls kids off at practice to discuss different things if needed by inventory the players take via emails I believe. https://www.mentaltrainingplan.com/
Here is TIkTOk from the owner and how he started this with Westfield QBs in 2018. https://www.tiktok.com/@coachbencarnes/video/7346703290031279402
I am never going to take a crap on the importance of mental health but I think the high school to college comparison doesn't fit. Once these college athletes became "adults" and are now basically PAID EMPLOYEES, scrutiny on and off their field of play is going to follow. Is it fair? No, probably not. But we need to spend more time educating our youth (well before high school preferably, but at the very least when they are IN high school) about the pitfalls that come along with stardom.
Social media is an absolute trap that many youngsters fall into and it has become an avenue for every aspect of a teen's life to be evaluated, overanalyzed, scrutinized, etc under anonymity.
Which brings us back to Williams. Is he a kid? Is he an adult? Society deems one an adult at 18 with the right to vote, etc...
Obviously some common ground that we can all agree upon is that kids and adults should be treated differently and their "mistakes" should be evaluated individually. Williams is an easy target and while I have made my feelings/predictions known about his behavior, he would not be the first, nor last to prove me right or wrong.
With so much money involved in both levels of sport now, humility is disappearing and the priorities of young folks are changing. They have adults, often the wrong ones, in their ears.
Rant over.
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39 minutes ago, Bobref said:
In fairness, I think we should entertain the possibility that this is simply a generational thing. So much is different now from the “good old days” that I can conceive of the combination of great skill and “now” generation sensitivities being compatible, and not a hindrance.
Look at me, all silver lining …
If the “good old days” mean winning > money then take me back immediately.
Look at this transfer portal business currently engulfing the college landscape…guys just wanna get paid.
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6 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:
I asked you a question and you avoided it. How many of the NFL great QB's have you seen go run to their parents and cry when an outcome of a game didn't go their way? (their final year of college)
Never called him a loser...those are your words. I do question if this type of behavior is someone to invest their entire future on. I appreciate he cares about his team after a tough loss...then why not head to the locker room and demonstrate your care for the team in lieu of running to your parents alone to cry? I think its a fair question...obviously you don't, and it feels like I struck a nerve. Maybe my comment hit too close to home.
My son is an Army combat leader...thank goodness, those young men don't publicly run to mommy and cry openly when things don't work out to plan. You won't find that "style" being taught....well, at least with the elite units.
You’d be sensitive also if your favorite professional football team hadn’t won a championship in nearly 4 decades.
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Can’t wait to revisit this one in a few years…
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17 minutes ago, Boilernation said:
They got you too? That's a shame. Everyone who has a voice at USC has said his dad was never an issue and was pretty much never seen in their facilities. All he did was ask an agen if it was possible to get a slice of ownership. Is that really that bad? He made no demands.
Eh, I said what I said.
Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
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1 hour ago, CoachO said:
I’ll say it again…poor damn Jeffersonville..one kid.
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Just curious as I am out of the loop on this topic, but how do other states do things when it comes to seeding? What is the most popular method?
Is it solely by record in most cases? All schedules are not created equal so would it incentivize a softer schedule for some schools? How does schedule strength factor in?
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Never left this position, had this body language as Utah drove the field to kick the game winning FG.
”Leadership.”
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8 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:
All I needed to read.
Thanks
Ah, yes. Because in order to assess a college player’s character, you must be an avid NFL fan, lol.
Great logic there.
Just come out and say it. The Bears have showed their hand and are drafting Williams and as a Bears fan, your blind loyalty is hoping it works out.
Fans, including myself are biased and hopeful. I’ll give you a pass.
I mean, the Bears have only missed on quarterbacks for 4 decades now, certainly this will be the one that breaks the streak…so ironic you brought up McMahon since he was the last solid Chicago QB, lol.
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12 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:
What coach/teammate has actually said this from USC? NFL is the largest entity in sports...no denying its power WORLD wide, those who are paid to cover the NFL also have to generate stories, especially at this time of year, so seems like you like others are falling into that clickbait boredom manufactured stories that are dime a dozen right now. But like I said, hopefully you actually clicked the link I provided and thread and saw the SANITY in that vs the latter.
"flex". no flex, just drawing parallelism of an NCAA athlete and how they have acted after games......So as I tagged my buddy there, big IU guy, so assumed he was also put off by how Romeo acted after losses, which I would argue was more egregious because he didn't care, seemed like Caleb cared a lot from a far in that moment.
Why do we expect athletes to do act like robots??
Nah, to be honest I don't even watch much NFL. Saw plenty of Williams in college to make an informed opinion.
Painting curse words on his fingernails, sitting emotionless on the sidelines during the 4th quarter of a game in which his defense is on the field with the game on the line, daddy wanting a slice of ownership in whatever team drafts him, etc...
Just a few examples that don't scream "long term winner" to me.
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13 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:
PLEASE just click the link, and follow the thread.
We've hit the point of NFL off season where boredom sets in and now we are concerned on how a young man sought comfort after a tough loss on an athletic field? What color his phone case is??
My goodness......
@Bash Riprock You must of really hated Romeo Langford in his 1 year at IU.....you know hanging out with his parents in the stands after losses, cannot confirm if tears were shown or not however.
Going to be a long 24 days for some of you
Not sure Romeo Langford is the flex/example you want to use to make your point here, lol.
Was halfway joking about the nails/iPhone example but the guy is a ME first guy and there is no denying that at this point unless your head is in the sand.
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58 minutes ago, Bobref said:
I’m uncertain how he’s going to respond to … taking a substantial pay cut. 😂
I mean as a Notre Dame AND Bears fan, I can see where it'd be damn near impossible to root for the guy.
Class 5A early preseason top 10??
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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A big fan of Carroll's program.