Bash Riprock

I don't make jokes about wives..seem's "clownish" to me...... 😉 Seriously, I figure if you can label someone you don't know, that you are also capable of taking the jabs. I'd be happy for some solid improvement....but I have no problem for him setting a different vision. He knows leaders tend to get the behavior they are desiring. I love his comment about his team going out to LA and play. That statement was for his team.

I lived in the Old Dominion for years. JMU used to be a money game for UVA and VA Tech. They were FCS and not a very good FCS program. Cignetti help drive them to become a FCS power then the jump to FBS. They've only been in FBS a couple of years at a lower tier, so not sure how many FBS big wins he should have. Bottom line, he has won at every level he's been, not to mention was an asst. coach at some outstanding programs. He knows the formula to be successful. BTW, I've been in Scott Stadium at UVA when they have had some pretty nice wins. Schiano is very positive about him.... https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/iu/2024/07/24/indiana-football-2024-big-ten-media-days-rutgers-greg-schiano-curt-cignetti/74488041007/ Well...perhaps clowns think they can recognize other clowns....

So he's a "clown" for trying to change the culture? What should he say...."we are here to start gettinh our a$$es kicked?" He's trying to change the mindset of his program. He didn't say anything wrong. And a former UM standout certainly didn't take any issue with his comments. https://www.journalgazette.net/sports/colleges/iu/ius-curt-cignetti-brings-brash-attitude-to-big-ten-media-days/article_67d6ba50-4ac1-11ef-83f0-f3d72d4d5baa.html “What stood out? Curt Cignetti,” Big Ten Network analyst Jake Butt said during his recap of the third and final day of the event. “That guy, when he talks, I get fired up. He speaks with such passion. “He even acknowledged it – maybe some people think he’s crazy. But if you’re in this business, if you don’t believe you can win, if you’re scared, find a different job. Indiana’s going to have an uphill battle, but that guy has won everywhere he’s been. I’m excited to see what he does with this roster because one thing’s for sure, he’s going to have those guys ready to compete every week.” Crucially, while Cignetti admits that he is trying to capture attention for his team with his comments, his confidence is not an act. He truly believes his team is good enough to compete and win games in the Big Ten.

Did anyone see UCLA HC DeShaun Foster's Big 10 media day statement?? Wow.....

I was just funnin'....Snider is a great program and I think about what Cathedral has done consistently over the years. Incredible! Lots of great programs. Carmel has been a top program for years, so not surprised by their win totals. Last couple of years have been tough, but what a history.

I do see the 6A team with the most victories over that period.....

That one still hurts. In OT, on first down McCoy carries to the 1 yd line. He's hurt and out. (already lost another key starting RB) Run Yeast behind tackle (not what he's typically asked to do) and fumbles into endzone. (controversial as sideline shots show he broke plain prior to fumble) Regardless, Carmel recovers and kick FG on first play. Ballgame. McCoy not injured, that ball is in the endzone. Football gods not with the Trojans that day. Close to being a repeat champion in 2016. Both defenses played lights out football.

Pike used to turn out some pretty good basketball teams and players. Not sure consistently as NC and LN, but some pretty darn good teams. Maybe former great Jeff Teague can bring it back. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/03/28/indiana-basketball-pike-best-players-history-jeff-teague-courtney-lee-rj-hunter-chris-thomas/1620461001/ https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2023/04/27/nba-all-star-jeff-teague-back-as-pike-high-school-basketball-coach-indiana-pacers-atlanta-hawks/70108470007/ The 2007 Pike graduate takes over a tradition-rich program that won Class 4A state championships in 1998, 2001 and 2003, but has claimed just one sectional championship since 2020.

FB16 is smart...my wife would tell you that you are giving me way too much credit. Can't argue with her to be honest! Hey, its ok we have different views. Makes forums like this interesting.

Break through? They have as many titles as WC and Carmel combined since the inception of 6A. And they lost 2 title games to Carmel during this period by a total of 6 points. They also have more titles than BD over this period. Its not about bragging about CG, its simply an example that one doesn't have to be in the top 3 for enrollment be a state elite.

Explain why NC, who has absolutely been in the top 3 during this period has 0 championships in football, while winning multiple championships in other sports. I only went back to 1990...BD/Warren/Carmel has won 19 of the 34 championships for 56%....the others have won 15 championships (44%). That doesn't include teams making it to the state finals which is an accomplishment in itself. The 3 schools you mention have had hall of fame coaches, talent, great feeders, football cultures, great admin support, top notch facilities, etc. To narrow it down to enrollment and enrollment only is very narrow. Heck, Cathedral is a perennial power, has sent more kids to D1 and the pros, and can we agree its not based on enrollment??

If Saban were at Edinburgh, bet there would be a number of move-in's and transfers. Columbus Schools would feel that big time. 😉

Never said enrollment has no bearing....just don't agree with your weighting....I agree with FB16 that when a school reaches a certain number, higher numbers lead to diminishing returns. I also put a higher placement on other variables needed for success. You stated the big 3 won 90% of state championships....simply not true based on the data both short and long term. Never said enrollment has no bearing....just don't agree with your weighting....I agree with FB16 that when a school reaches a certain number, higher numbers lead to diminishing returns. I also put a higher placement on other variables needed for success. You stated the big 3 won 90% of state championships....simply not true based on the data both short and long term.

Perhaps its the "teacher" that is failing and not the "students". I provided you clear data going back to 1990-91 with all the state champions in the largest class, and it was not 90% for the big 3. Far lower...the big 3 (BD/WC/Carmel) from 1990-2012 won 53% of the state titles. That assumes there were the "big 3" in terms of enrollment, which we know they were not always in the top 3. Prior to the establishment of 6A, schools like Bloomington South won a couple of titles and had a 3rd appearance. LC, Fishers, Castle, Snider also were winners in the largest class. All "outliers" I guess. Since 6A, BD/WC/Carmel has won 63% of the titles. Fully transparent, I have a hard time getting enrollment data past 2017. I did find a report for 2001-2, but most of it is archives and it has to be requested. Do you have another source to obtain? BTW, WC was not in the top 3 that year. NC was 3rd largest. I know its much "simpler" to say the largest schools win all the titles. (or 90%) But its not that simple, and insinuating others are not as smart as you because they poke holes in your statements is simply lacking. I would agree...you could see them looking so much better on the field. Perhaps it was covid. Definitely something changed.