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Bash Riprock

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  1. I was just funnin'....Snider is a great program and I think about what Cathedral has done consistently over the years. Incredible! Lots of great programs. Carmel has been a top program for years, so not surprised by their win totals. Last couple of years have been tough, but what a history.
  2. I do see the 6A team with the most victories over that period.....
  3. That one still hurts. In OT, on first down McCoy carries to the 1 yd line. He's hurt and out. (already lost another key starting RB) Run Yeast behind tackle (not what he's typically asked to do) and fumbles into endzone. (controversial as sideline shots show he broke plain prior to fumble) Regardless, Carmel recovers and kick FG on first play. Ballgame. McCoy not injured, that ball is in the endzone. Football gods not with the Trojans that day. Close to being a repeat champion in 2016. Both defenses played lights out football.
  4. Pike used to turn out some pretty good basketball teams and players. Not sure consistently as NC and LN, but some pretty darn good teams. Maybe former great Jeff Teague can bring it back. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/03/28/indiana-basketball-pike-best-players-history-jeff-teague-courtney-lee-rj-hunter-chris-thomas/1620461001/ https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2023/04/27/nba-all-star-jeff-teague-back-as-pike-high-school-basketball-coach-indiana-pacers-atlanta-hawks/70108470007/ The 2007 Pike graduate takes over a tradition-rich program that won Class 4A state championships in 1998, 2001 and 2003, but has claimed just one sectional championship since 2020.
  5. FB16 is smart...my wife would tell you that you are giving me way too much credit. Can't argue with her to be honest! Hey, its ok we have different views. Makes forums like this interesting.
  6. Break through? They have as many titles as WC and Carmel combined since the inception of 6A. And they lost 2 title games to Carmel during this period by a total of 6 points. They also have more titles than BD over this period. Its not about bragging about CG, its simply an example that one doesn't have to be in the top 3 for enrollment be a state elite.
  7. Explain why NC, who has absolutely been in the top 3 during this period has 0 championships in football, while winning multiple championships in other sports. I only went back to 1990...BD/Warren/Carmel has won 19 of the 34 championships for 56%....the others have won 15 championships (44%). That doesn't include teams making it to the state finals which is an accomplishment in itself. The 3 schools you mention have had hall of fame coaches, talent, great feeders, football cultures, great admin support, top notch facilities, etc. To narrow it down to enrollment and enrollment only is very narrow. Heck, Cathedral is a perennial power, has sent more kids to D1 and the pros, and can we agree its not based on enrollment??
  8. If Saban were at Edinburgh, bet there would be a number of move-in's and transfers. Columbus Schools would feel that big time. 😉
  9. Never said enrollment has no bearing....just don't agree with your weighting....I agree with FB16 that when a school reaches a certain number, higher numbers lead to diminishing returns. I also put a higher placement on other variables needed for success. You stated the big 3 won 90% of state championships....simply not true based on the data both short and long term. Never said enrollment has no bearing....just don't agree with your weighting....I agree with FB16 that when a school reaches a certain number, higher numbers lead to diminishing returns. I also put a higher placement on other variables needed for success. You stated the big 3 won 90% of state championships....simply not true based on the data both short and long term.
  10. Perhaps its the "teacher" that is failing and not the "students". I provided you clear data going back to 1990-91 with all the state champions in the largest class, and it was not 90% for the big 3. Far lower...the big 3 (BD/WC/Carmel) from 1990-2012 won 53% of the state titles. That assumes there were the "big 3" in terms of enrollment, which we know they were not always in the top 3. Prior to the establishment of 6A, schools like Bloomington South won a couple of titles and had a 3rd appearance. LC, Fishers, Castle, Snider also were winners in the largest class. All "outliers" I guess. Since 6A, BD/WC/Carmel has won 63% of the titles. Fully transparent, I have a hard time getting enrollment data past 2017. I did find a report for 2001-2, but most of it is archives and it has to be requested. Do you have another source to obtain? BTW, WC was not in the top 3 that year. NC was 3rd largest. I know its much "simpler" to say the largest schools win all the titles. (or 90%) But its not that simple, and insinuating others are not as smart as you because they poke holes in your statements is simply lacking. I would agree...you could see them looking so much better on the field. Perhaps it was covid. Definitely something changed.
  11. I listed those coaches is a previous post. Add Mark Haste to the mix. Coach Haste was 101-44 at Tri West from 1994-2005. His teams won 3 state championships with 1 runner up during his tenure. Mark goes to North Central 2006-08. His teams were 14-19 for those 3 seasons. Speaking of Streiff...I watched him one game at CG do something I've never seen before or since. NC was not playing well and Streiff was ticked. He called a time out, had all the players on the sidelines go out on the field and join the others currently in the game. He up/downed them all during the time out. Officials came over and he called 2 more timeouts and kept up/downing them. I assumed he felt they weren't giving it their all, so he collected some energy. Was wild.
  12. Common ground...so a state runner up is an accomplishment, right? Those are certainly not limited to the "big 3" schools.
  13. I stated some of those title games over the entire period were close, some were blowouts. And no disagreement, in some of those years, best game was in the semi state…that could be claimed for last year’s game. But should we just throw out the accomplishment of many schools outside the “big 3” making it to the finals of the state’s largest class? But looking back over that entire period, there were a number of schools winning the title in the state’s largest class outside of the big 3. 6A has been mainly 4 schools winning titles since its inception. Is CG really an outlier now after years of sustained excellence, or is it a trend given their formula. 6 state finals appearances, (6A only) more than any other school would indicate that their formula for success works, and with big 3 down over past few years (until last year) has absolutely seen the gap close, especially with the improvement of HCC schools. Preseason this year looks like some serious talent is present at 2 of the big 3 so I expect them to be successful. It’s been a few years for WC, just as it was a few years for BD until last year. Will be interesting to watch the direction of the Carmel program given the talented teams in their back yard.
  14. Agree?? Source College Football Report tweet on X
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