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1 hour ago, RingLeader said:

Agree I like the Bluejays to get the dub and their schedule should have them prepared.  But its Regional week anything can happen

 

Guessing Laville probably a little drunk with hearing all week how they finally slayed the dragon.  Probably end of road for Lancers but this is far from Andrean of last season so maybe they can catch lightening in the bottle again

I haven't seen Carroll live since the summer but I think the Jays should be able to throttle the Cougars. Winamac, Culver and South Central would have won sectional 42. I wasn't too impressed with Carroll over the summer. Winamac threw on them and ran on them at will. 

LaVille could do it but I really don't think they'll get it done. 

Andrean is my pick to win 2A now without Luers. They've got a legitimate chance to go back to back (winning 2a this year and either 1A or 2A next season).

16 hours ago, Offintheyard said:

Spin it however you want but which is it? The elements and the slippery ball or did NJ out play them. I'll save you some time here. Both teams had to play in the weather. NJ outplayed and outcoached Winamac. Judson prepared for the weather. Now if you are using the excuse that Winamac couldn't run outside then the coaches did a poor job of preparing Winamac for the weather. All of the so called size, speed and talent and they couldn't run some power plays?  So pick a narrative and believe what you want but Winamac got beat.

Judson was the best team in the sectional hands down. Look back, I called that in week 7 or 8. Most people outside of Winamac knew that they weren't going to be prepared based solely on their schedule and how they competed against the teams on their schedule. Say what you want, but in some of those wins, Culver included, Winamac did not have the game in hand until well into the second half. Try to look at the film objectively and not through rose colored glasses and you will see that. Judson at least played some tough teams and were competitive in those games. It wasn't hard to see that they were the heavy favorites to win the sectional. You can claim the what if and would have done this or that championship all you want. Bottom line is Winamac got beat badly as did Culver by the best team in the sectional. Hopefully the 1st or 2nd grade class at Winamac will be as promising as this 2022 class was that we have been hearing about for years. Congratulations to those young men on their what if sectional and regional championship! Hopefully they pull off the what if state title in a couple of weeks.

And you said

"If Judson beats LaVille and Pioneer they'll be the heavy heavy favorites."

They only beat LaVille and they weren't the heavy favorites. Its utterly disrespectful to not even consider winamac the favorites going in. They were the defending champions, returned virtually their whole team and last years Judson team would have smoked this years Judson team. 

The elements and Winamac's offense never giving themselves a chance doomed them.

But as a 98 alum from Winamac and being a lurker on this website for years. Its not out of the norm for winamac to be disrespected on here even when they are a quality, quality team. 

26 minutes ago, Bobref said:

You would expect that. More games = more data for the algorithms to digest.

Yes. .I remember one year Hagerstown was predicted to win a game by 3 TDs. They lost by 4-6 TDs. 

17 hours ago, Plymouthfan91 said:

Of course the ratings come into focus.  They change each week.  If teams win they move up.  What did they look like before the sectional started?

Sagarin is decent for football. Spot on usually by end of season for basketball. 

4 hours ago, Basementbias said:

I believe the SA/AC winner will beat either NJ or Carroll from watching both their sectional final games. SA offense would give both fits. It would come down to their defense. Both would really struggle with AC's run game. #9 for Carroll is very quick though so he could make a few plays against both. NJ throwing the ball could make a game against SA a shoot out possibly. NJ line would have to stop AC's D-Line to get their passing game going.

Film sometimes doesn't do teams justice. 

Tri Central in 2013 looked slower than a turtle but once the game started it was pretty clear they weren't. 

Ive seen NJ live and other than Allen they don't have blow away speed but Owen and Quintin Frasure along w Aldric Harper are very very good linebackers. Allen is very hard to bring down in the backfield or tackle in general, the winamac kids had success getting to him but they weren't able to corral him a few times in the backfield. Whoever plays them can't arm tackle him and they have to wrap him up and hope help comes. If it's 1 on 1. He's gonna run you over majority of the time. 

2 hours ago, FlyingHigh said:

I feel like the Winamac and North Judson people just need to switch to DMs. The game was played 2 weeks ago. Let's move on to the regional championship matchups...

John Harrell's Predictions

North Judson over Carroll 24-17 - I could see this being a really good game, but I'm rooting for Carroll so AC can host semistate if they beat SA.

Adams Central over South Adams 38-17 - The 2019 regional upset of SA by AC will come up a lot. This is 2021. Can't apply past narratives to different teams/situations. Most of the seniors at AC played important roles in the 19 game and they know what can happen if you overlook anyone at this point in the season. It should be much more competitive than earlier in the season with Wanner back at QB.

Lutheran over Parke Heritage 38-24 - Lutheran has had some tough games the last two weeks and I don't think things get any easier this week. Parke Heritage has some great athletes and I think the 35-0 score against AC in week 3 is not representative of how that game would go without the weather conditions that game was played in. I think the winner of this game will end up in LOS.

North Central over Tri 31-28 - I have no clue about either of these teams.

 

I said my last words on the subject then some CMA guy hopped in. I am entitled to respond and then the Spanky troll hopped on. 

4 hours ago, Spanky Harper said:

Lord that sounds like a lot of excuses.  Weinersmack hasn't played in two weeks and no one cares.  Jim Hendricks will be gone.  We really need to put this coddlin of the warriors to bed.  Judson would have won in the rain, in the snow, in the mud, in the blood, and definitely would have won on turf in perfect conditions.  Now, i have to go aren's field and fuel up my airplane.  its gonna be a long week preparing for this regional championship for the Bluejays and i need to go scout out the conditions of the field in Carroll.  Hopefully, they leave the sprinklers on all week cuz you know judson is made for the mud.  

Winamac didn't leave the sprinklers on all week. They had been shut off for three weeks. 

If you are so confident on turf, then why did you guys say no to Winamac asking to play Saturday at Logansport? 

16 minutes ago, Offintheyard said:

Spin it however you want but which is it? The elements and the slippery ball or did NJ out play them. I'll save you some time here. Both teams had to play in the weather. NJ outplayed and outcoached Winamac. Judson prepared for the weather. Now if you are using the excuse that Winamac couldn't run outside then the coaches did a poor job of preparing Winamac for the weather. All of the so called size, speed and talent and they couldn't run some power plays?  So pick a narrative and believe what you want but Winamac got beat.

Judson was the best team in the sectional hands down. Look back, I called that in week 7 or 8. Most people outside of Winamac knew that they weren't going to be prepared based solely on their schedule and how they competed against the teams on their schedule. Say what you want, but in some of those wins, Culver included, Winamac did not have the game in hand until well into the second half. Try to look at the film objectively and not through rose colored glasses and you will see that. Judson at least played some tough teams and were competitive in those games. It wasn't hard to see that they were the heavy favorites to win the sectional. You can claim the what if and would have done this or that championship all you want. Bottom line is Winamac got beat badly as did Culver by the best team in the sectional. Hopefully the 1st or 2nd grade class at Winamac will be as promising as this 2022 class was that we have been hearing about for years. Congratulations to those young men on their what if sectional and regional championship! Hopefully they pull off the what if state title in a couple of weeks.

Winamac was up 4 touchdowns against Caston at half. They were up 21-0 against Culver at half and if memory serves me right scored on their opening drive in 2nd half to go up 28-0. Triton had 1 first down in the whole entire game and had 13 yards of offense. 7 of it came after a winamac fumble in the first Q to lead to their only TD. Those games were never in doubt. 

Knox, Pioneer and Manchester  gave Winamac a good battles which they needed and Winamac had 1 day to prepare for Manchester. 

West Central first match up was bad. The 2nd they were up 42-0 at half and WC scored two TDs on the JV team and Winamac's jv scored the lone 6.

You know John Hendryx. He doesn't run the score up on anyone...had he felt that way. The scores would have been more lopsided then they were but that's just not in his nature. He rarely ran the score up at Knox too. He always subbed guys in or split carries with guys. 

Winamac did try a couple "power run plays" but it rarely worked. That's like trying to ask a team that throws it 3 or 4 times to throw it 10 times in a game. Its just not gonna work. Winamac didn't have a "power running back"..so its gonna be tough for a team to run power running plays with no power running backs. 

Yes, Judson did play in the same weather but Cheyenne Allen is a power running back and Judson is a power running offense. The mud and rain played into the style they wanted to play. It slowed winamac down completely and it hamstrung what they could do offensively.

Winamac will have some good teams coming up so I don't understand the first/second grade comment. 

The Sophomores and Freshman classes have some quality skilled kids with 2 decent lineman per grade. My sons grade (8th grade) and my nephews class (7th grade) have a few kids that can play. The 6th and 5th grade kids are pretty solid and the six grades 3 best players haven't even played yet. 

Winamac will be competitive and will churn out winning seasons as long as John Hendryx is there. 

4 hours ago, Offintheyard said:

You must be in real denial from the loss if you think that was the sectional and regional championship. Winamac was good against the bad teams. They finally played a good team and got beat. Culver had as good a shot as Winamac and the result was the same.

Don't get me wrong. The jays out played Winamac by a bunch. 

It wasn't like they were drilling Winamac players and they were fumbling. Atleast two of the fumbles the ball slipped out of the kids hands as he was coming down due to the slickness. The ball just happened to fall where other Jays were. NJ fumbled four times and were able to jump on it. The ball bounced their way that night. The one pick Harper had was a great read by Alderic ..had he not made it, Brandt would have taken it to the house ..there wasn't a single Jay around him besides Harper. 

4 hours ago, Offintheyard said:

You must be in real denial from the loss if you think that was the sectional and regional championship. Winamac was good against the bad teams. They finally played a good team and got beat. Culver had as good a shot as Winamac and the result was the same.

Lol...really? 

Winamac would have won sectionals 42 running away. It wouldn't have been close. Winamac beat Culver relatively easy after a two week lay off and I've seen Carroll play online and saw them over the summer when they scrimmaged Winamac. Winamac scored at will on them. 

So yes..the Winamac/Judson game was the sectional championship and regional championship game. 

you act like that game wasn't even close. NJ scored on a BS TD at the end, 3 of their 6 total TDs came on 4th down. Two were 4th and long. It was literally a one score game at half time and was a two score game for over 70 percent of the game. 

the field conditions helped NJ. It slowed Winamac down quite a bit and played right into NJ's wheel house. They are a power running team and in the mud that works. When you are a getting to the edge, relying on pulling and your speed..you are gonna struggle in the mud. 

2 hours ago, Lancernation said:

Safe to say Laville is over the mental hurdle.  

They are and that's huge for those kids. 

I can remember when Pioneer used to bad at everything.

My son, nephew and their friends were floored. All they know is Pioneer dominating at football, girls volleyball and softball every single year. 

i pictured a scene from rocky 4 last night when I heard the score early on (had to change the wordage)

They are hurt! See they aren't a machine! They are human!

good for LaVille. That gives them a big, big confidence booster for next season ..just hope not too much. 

On 11/2/2021 at 9:19 AM, RingLeader said:

Agree although Culver’s style and NJ big win hangover could factor early 

Also think NJ should make SS

Have seen AC play Eastside, Busco, Swood and not seeing the slam dunk AC in the Can. AC looks pretty small and NJ physical style might just get it done

I think AC's speed will be the difference. If they play in a monsoon. I'll take NJ. 

51 minutes ago, Basementbias said:

Weird that the NW regional isn't LCC vs Pioneer but North Judson vs Carroll (Flora). NJ favored I assume? Watching both, Carroll's run game could give NJ some problems. 

North Judson won't have a problem with Carroll. 

The Winamac/NJ game was the sectional championship and regional championship. 

3 hours ago, littledog said:

It doesn't matter if a team is Junior or Senior heavy. Those other classes could still be stacked, they just haven't hit the weights enough yet to fully contribute as a whole.

What I'm trying to say is. 

In 2023 will be Triton's best season to win conference up to that point. 

They'll be similar to what Winamac was this season with a few 4 year starters, a lot of 3 year and 2 year guys. 

North Judson, Knox, Pioneer and LaVille (in no order) will be extremely tough next season and I don't see Triton beating any of those four but the year after will be Triton's best chance to beat them. Those teams lose great classes but will still have talent around but I'm not sure they'll have the talent to beat Triton that year. 

North Judson will be probably similar to what they were this year. A good group of seniors with a good group of juniors. I don't think their freshman are or will be as good as this years juniors so that's why I said probably. 

Culver will be so so and Winamac after a year of a transition period should be decent. 

20 hours ago, mumm6866 said:

Laville has 1 senior that doesn’t even play. Laville is a loaded Junior and Sophomore class

Take out the and and put an "or".

Knox is junior heavy, Pioneer and North Judson are senior and junior heavy.

LaVille  is offensively and defensively dominated by juniors as far as statistics go. 

20 hours ago, Bobref said:

He has a brother now in 8th grade who will go next year to Hanover Central, a real up and coming program. Stay tuned.

Why would they have them go to separate high schools? Why wouldn't he just follow his bro and go to Andrean? 

19 hours ago, FinePrint said:

I believe this is true and a significant reason why Triton moved to the HNAC in the first place.  Triton never beat Jimtown in all the NSC years.  I think there were only 3-4 wins over Bremen.  Glenn had up and down years, so there was some success with them at times.  But not much in the last 10 or so years of the NSC.  Same for New Prairie.  They got a lot better as they grew in enrollment and the last few years of games were a waste of time for both teams.  

Honestly losing to Pioneer by 50 is an easier pill to swallow than losing to NP or Jimtown by the same scores.  Pioneer is a similar sized school and you know they've gotten where they are by hard work and commitment.  You respect that from a school your own size.  But losing to schools twice your size all the time just gets old over time.  The HNAC definitely provides a platform to compete with similar-sized schools on a more level playing field.  And the quality of play is outstanding for a small school conference.  I'm very happy we made the move.

Yup and when these sophomores at Triton are Seniors. They'll have a legit chance to win conference. 

Knox, LaVille, Pioneer and North Judson are senior and junior heavy it appears. Winamac was senior heavy and has a few talented sophomores and freshman but I don't think they'll be good enough to beat that Triton squad. North Judson has a great freshman squad and Pioneer's sophomores are decent but I think Triton's sophomore class may be better than both. 

1 hour ago, MarshallCounty said:

Triton is definitely a team on the rise.  I have the utmost respect for Coach Younis.  Truthfully, the HNAC is filled with great coaches.  From Radtke and Hendrix, Berry, Zehner, Howstraser, Younis, and Lambert.  It is impressive what the administration has been able to cultivate in this conference.  

It is. 

What's really helped Knox, Culver, Triton and LaVille is not having to play new prairie, Bremen, Glenn and Jimtown every single season. 

Its allowed the schools to build up confidence in their football programs. 

Next season you could see LaVille win conference or previously independent North Judson. 

2 hours ago, RingLeader said:

Actually they did award conference championship to Pioneer after Pioneer beat Laville in sectional 

Fans yes. Last I knew the conference as a whole didn't declare anyone. If they did. It was pretty easy to see Pioneer was. This year not so much. 

We as fans don't know how the Winamac Vs Laville or Winamac Vs Judson games would have went week 4 and week 5. 

1 hour ago, RingLeader said:

So with Winamac loss North Judson, Pioneer, and Winamac will share conference title?

No. They didn't do a conference championship last year even though it  was obvious Pioneer was the best team, they shouldn't do one this season.

I think had LaVille been able to play Winamac and had Winamac been able to play North Judson..then you could have decided who conference champions are. 

On 10/31/2021 at 9:37 AM, Duke of Denham said:

Cognitive dissonance is real.  I'll tell you a secret "Walter".....we wore cleats instead of sneakers.  It seemed to help us with our footing out there on Friday.  I am curious why did they run the sprinklers all week?  Someone should be held accountable for costing your team the big game.    

 

They didn't run the sprinklers there at all last week. They hadn't been on in a week or two before that. 

I think the Triton game may have been a victims of that+ all the rain our area had that week. The field was in poo condition as you saw it yourself, there was a reason why Winamac called Logansport last week. The field never recovered from that game and the rain last week made it even worse. 

6 hours ago, Duke of Denham said:

I don't know that.  I do know that Winamac and their fans are quite confident the game would have been different if they had played on a better surface.  I like this idea that Winamac had all these fast kids and Judson kids were slow or something.  I don't know what game you were watching, but one team was very aggressive and flying around on defense and the other team was just getting perpetually bulldozed.  It was a perfect storm for Judson.  A whirlwind tsunami that blasted its way through Pulaski County and into the psyche of every Warrior fan for generations to come.  

I watched the same game you did. 

It was a 1 possession game or tied for over a half. It was a 2 possession game for over 30 minutes. Winamac was outgained by 74 yards and North Judson had the ball for twice as long as Winamac did. Some of it was the Jays forced Winamac on turnover on downs or to punt and some of the extra plays were aided by the ball popping out and bouncing Judson's way. They fumbled it a few times too but most of the time it had a Judson bounce. 

Winamac had multiple defensive stops. Judson did too. The field conditions hurt Winamac more than North Judson, I know you aren't willing to say that and that's fine. A team that has overall more speed is gonna be slowed down quite a bit in the mud and rain...when a team that relies on power football. It plays into their hands. 

BTW. Its not only Winamac fans that think Judson is slow or something. I work with a few Judson folks and the ones that follow NJ believe last years team drills this years Judson's team and its much slower. 

1 hour ago, Duke of Denham said:

Since Coach Lambert has taken over the helm for the Bluejays they have played Winamac 5 times.  Judson is 4-1 and has outscored the warriors 121-35.  Winamac can have all the credit in the world for beating the Jays in the Sectional Championship in 2020, but you do not get to change the narrative about last night.  Winamac turned the ball over on 4 consecutive drives.  Their last two drives of the first half and their next two drives of the second half.  What kind of turnovers were they?  Judson smashed Clark and he coughed it up.  Multiple times.  Compton had two interceptions.  One interception for a touchdown right before the half and ostensibly that was the ballgame.

Now, Is Judson in a threat in the North?  You better believe it. 

And yes, I know how much the NJ/Winamac scores were. Compton's sophomore year in the regular season that game was close until the final four minutes and that sectional game was tight too. 

The only total blow out was last seasons regular season match up. That wasn't close at any point. 

You know as well as I do that this years NJ team isn't close to last years team and Winamac's team was much better this year than last. It was just the perfect storm. 

1 hour ago, Duke of Denham said:

Since Coach Lambert has taken over the helm for the Bluejays they have played Winamac 5 times.  Judson is 4-1 and has outscored the warriors 121-35.  Winamac can have all the credit in the world for beating the Jays in the Sectional Championship in 2020, but you do not get to change the narrative about last night.  Winamac turned the ball over on 4 consecutive drives.  Their last two drives of the first half and their next two drives of the second half.  What kind of turnovers were they?  Judson smashed Clark and he coughed it up.  Multiple times.  Compton had two interceptions.  One interception for a touchdown right before the half and ostensibly that was the ballgame.

Now, Is Judson in a threat in the North?  You better believe it. 

I am not changing the narrative about last night. It was a 1 possession game for over half the game. It was a 2 possession game for over 30 minutes of the game. It wasn't like from start to finish the game wasn't even close. It was much closer than what you are willing to say. 

Yes Winamac did turn the ball over in 4 possessions in a row but Winamac did stop them in at least one or two of those drives when NJ got the ball back. 

North Judson outgained winamac by 74 yards and had the ball twice as long. 

I'm not changing the narrative. I'm just typing out facts. The last 14 mins is when it started to be a blow out. 

Judson did hit Clark hard but the rain also had a lot to do with the fumble issues too. 

9 hours ago, RingLeader said:

Is North Judson the team to beat in the north?  Statement game last night. 

 No. 

Last night was really the perfect storm. 

The field conditions benefited North Judson greatly. North Judson doesn't have much team speed besides #40. They aren't too big up front either and they really like to run behind their center Brennen Benson with QB or their TB. A power football team where as Winamac relied this year more on speed, misdirection, pulling lineman, getting outside and throwing a little bit. The field conditions didn't allow Winamac to get any type of footing to play their style, any time a team went to the outside it was negative yardage. 

The score was 0-6 after one, 13-13 late in first half then a pick six to make it 13-20. Winamac kicked off to start 2nd half, got a stop then turned it over. North Judson's next possession on a 4th down they scored from 24 yards out. Winamac then got the ball back, turned it over late in 3rd and North Judson scored on a 22 yard seam pass and then 4 penalties in a row aided their last TD w 3 seconds to go. 5 TO's also hurt Winamac. 

It wasn't really lopsided until late 3rd and all of the 4th. 

If AC or SA play Judson on turf or a good field. Judson will struggle w their speed.