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2 hours ago, Muda69 said:
Maximizing Profits....its what corporations do. Not sure why you keep using the word "evil"
Unfortunately Subaru is 20 years late to the hybrid vehicle market and instead of focusing on vehicle emissions (a MUCH bigger environment issue that solid waste) they choose to pound their chest over reducing solid waste.
By refusing to address climate change in their corporate vision they have turned a blind eye to the real environmental issue of the 21st century while still looking like a responsible corporate citizen. Very slick of them.
Maximizing Profits....its what corporations do.
Of course, your recent posting of articles from climate change denying sites makes me think that this line of argument will be lost on you.
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5 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
Is "By any means necessary" in the BP mission statement?
It is what corporations do.
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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:
When will that happen? Do you think it is in evil BP's future plans?
When the lack of regulation makes it more profitable to dump than to pay fines or clean up costs.
It is in BP's future plans to maximize profit for their shareholders. By any means necessary.
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6 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
How many years until the Cuyahoga goes up in flames again, once evil money and the evil trump administration guts the EPA and the Clean Air Act?
When BP is allowed to dump a 2 inch thick oil slick without repercussion like they did in 1952.
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33 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
I'm just making a logical response to your "give them time" comment. Haven't the evil, polluting, money hungry corporations had 50 years now since the passage of the Clean Air Act and the formation of the EPA to effectively weaken and gut both?
No it is illogical. I mentioned that it has been less than 10 years where corporations had virtually unlimited financial access to lawmakers and 2 years of an administration that is so cravenly beholden to the donor/corporate class that they are trying to roll back 50 years of clean up.
Give them time
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12 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
So the real lobbying of Congress by evil, polluting, money hungry corporations only started after the Citizens United decision? Interesting take.
And into the Muda Vortex
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26 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
You have a reasonable timeline if my prognostication came true?
And if the evil, polluting, money hungry corporations and lobbying dough carry all the weight as you claim, why hasn't the Clean Air Act and the EPA been effectively gutted and rendered ineffective by this lobbying power? Why isn't the Cuyahoga burning today?
Give them time. Citizens United decision isn't even 10 years old yet. Trump's administration has their marching orders from big biz and is doing their best to increase pollution.
http://columbiaclimatelaw.com/resources/climate-deregulation-tracker/
Coal Emissions, Methane and Unregulated Landfills....oh my.
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18 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
Who here truly believes that today, in 2019, if the federal clean air act was repealed and the federal EPA was abolished that the Cuyahoga and other often polluted rivers would burst into flames by the end of the year? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?
Much has changed since 1963, and I believe public sentiment is truly against private corporations that pollute. And that sentiment/pressure holds a lot of weight.
Hairy marching hippies carried much more weight in the 60s. Corporations and their lobbying dough carry the weight now. Corporations have no compunction to not pollute if the corporation can make more money by polluting. That's exactly why the river became Cleveland's toilet.
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memes tell me he loves the blacks.....
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wow the hair was super weird back then
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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:
Your bolded statement still tells me you don't comprehend, or just refuse to comprehend, Mr. Murray's analysis.
And again hindsight, especially looking back to 1963 and prior, is 20/20.
Unregulated capitalists used the river as their sewer for over 100 years.
Soon, the river was filthy. “Yellowish-black rings of oil circled on its surface like grease in soup,” recalled František Vlček, a Czech immigrant, of his first view of the river in the 1880s. “The water was yellowish, thick, full of clay, stinking of oil and sewage. Piles of rotting wood were heaped on either bank of the river, and it was all dirty and neglected….I was disappointed by this view of an American river.”
Between 1868 and 1952, it burned nine times. The 1952 fire racked up $1.5 million in damage. But by most, occasional fires and pollution were seen as the cost of industry—a price no one was willing to dispute.
Those capitalists were real stewards
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2 hours ago, Muda69 said:
Still dodging the fact that it was government policy, in the guise of state permits, that allowed most of the pollution in the first place.
Not in the 1880s
2 hours ago, Muda69 said:So denial is now lying. Got it. And how does that relate to Mr. Murray's research and writing about the Cuyahoga river? Can you prove that it is a lie?
The website denies and the first paragraph of the article contains a blatant lie. Strike 2 your out.
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13 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
So Mr. Murray is a liar? Where is your proof?
The whole website denies climate change. So in a word...Yes.
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7 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
Cleveland had already taken steps to clean up the river but state government intervention brought about the debacle. The moral here is that the more remote a government is from the scene, the less effective it is. So why are we attempting to interject the Federal Government into everything?
Yeah Cleveland was doing a heckuva job
https://www.history.com/news/epa-earth-day-cleveland-cuyahoga-river-fire-clean-water-act
"The waste those firms did discharge turned the river muddy and filled it with oil, solvents and other industrial products. Between 1868 and 1952, it burned nine times. The 1952 fire racked up $1.5 million in damage. But by most, occasional fires and pollution were seen as the cost of industry—a price no one was willing to dispute.
When fire broke out on the river again in 1969, it seemed like business as usual. “Most Clevelanders seemed not to care a great deal,” write environmental historians David Stradling and Richard Stradling. “Far too many problems plagued the city for residents to get hung up on a little fire…The ’69 fire didn’t represent the culmination of an abusive relationship between a city and its environment. It was simply another sad chapter in the long story of a terribly polluted river.”"
According to the National Parks Service, the river still has unhealthy amounts of sewage in some areas. But in March 2019, the Ohio EPA announced that its fish are now safe to eat."
God Bless the USA EPA!
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12 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
So exactly how does that invalidate the research and writing of Mr. Iain Murray?
Liars are liars. You trust em....I don't. To be honest, most of the clap trap you post is so incredibly biased and some verges on conspiracy non sense that I have stopped giving it more than a cursory read. Even when I did read the non sense and respond, the discussion always went into the Muda vortex of personalizing the argument. When called out, it then went to "your" the smartest guy in the room or "I learned it from you" rhetorical technique. So....save your breath.
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7 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
Gingrich, in the article, claimed to be in Congress, when the Cuyahoga caught on fire in the summer of '69. He was only off by a decade...
1 minute ago, Muda69 said:Interesting you completely ignored the fact that the Ohio state government basically issued permits allowing industries to dump wasted into the river.
Here is one citation: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=5815201066567819423&q=Bar+Realty+Corp.+v.+Locher,+Ohio,+1972.+30+Ohio&hl=en&as_sdt=800006&as_vis=1
So the local government was ineffective....hmmm
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3 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:
if making me chuckle at your "brilliant" comments means in your world I'm triggered....so be it...LOL!!
The lady doth protest to much, methinks. - Bill S.
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Cleveland sucks
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47 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:
you're trying too hard......
you're triggered
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The same zealot Pence that tried to ram through a law that would allow employers to discriminate against gays.
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He is the GAY candidate for those that will not vote for him and want to marginalize him.
The article I posted was for a Gay podcast. They are going to focus on gay issues.
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1 minute ago, swordfish said:
Not a subscriber - Can't read the story.
Showed up for me. The Post must have algorithm that allows commies in.
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28 minutes ago, Muda69 said:
Want to Protect the Environment? Embrace Capitalism: https://www.cfact.org/2017/11/02/want-to-protect-the-environment-embrace-capitalism/
An organization that eschews man-made climate change.....Burn baby Burn
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/openly-gay-presidential-candidate-pete-031956692.html
"Fireworks on the first date!"
Hubba Hubba!
"Green New Deal" - needs it's own thread
in Out of Bound Forum
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1. I don't. You made that up. It is a weak rhetorical technique
2. Corporations are not human, they don't have morals. They exist to maximize profits.
3. My 2018 Chevy Bolt is outstanding.