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  1. 1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

    Dear NightHawk,

    I found a cult check list below.  Please explain in detail how libertarianism  fits into all of these:

     

    1.The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.  YOU OFTEN COPY AND PASTE FROM THE WEBSITE NAMED AFTER THE GRAND POOBAH OF THE CULT OF LIBERTARIANISM LUDWIG HEINRICH ELDER VON MISES.  

    CHECK

    ‪2. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.  YOU NEVER CHANGE AN OPINION EVEN IN THE FACE OF OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE AND IMPECCABLE LOGIC.  INSTEAD YOU USUALLY RESORT TO PETTY SOPHOMORIC PERSONAL ATTACKS.

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    ‪3. Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).  LIBERTARIAN PHILOSOPHY, PARTICULARLY LIBERTARIAN ECONOMIC PHILOSOPHY IS SO LOGICALLY FLAWED AND SOUNDS LIKE A 1920s TENT PREACHER/SNAKE OIL SALESMEN.  LIBERTARIANS ARE PRONE TO DENOUNCE THOSE THEY DEBATE WITH WHEN THEY REALIZE THEIR TALKING POINTS ARE SILLY AND ILLOGICAL.

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    ‪4. The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).  LIBERTARIANS SEEM PRONE TO COPY AND PASTING (VERBATIM), ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE OF BOILERPLATE WOO WITH VERY LITTLE COMMENTARY OR ANALYSIS.  USUALLY JUST SEE A ROBOTIC "AGREED" NOTE AT THE END.

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    ‪5. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar of the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).  LIBERTARIANS LOVE TO CAST THEMSELVES AS SPECIAL OUTCASTS WHO ARE NOT UNDERSTOOD BY ALL OF THOSE UNENLIGHTENED POOR SOULS ENSNARED BY SOCIETY'S EXPECTATIONS.  WHAT DOES ONE FIND WHEN THEY TRAVEL TO WWW.MISES.COM.  NON OTHER THAN AN AVATAR OF LIBERTARIAN DEITY, MURRY (MR ANARCHO-CAPITALIST) ROTHBARD.

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    ‪6. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society. THAT FRUIT IS LOW ENOUGH FOR A PYGMY MOLE TO GRAB.

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    ‪7. The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).  LIBERTARIAN LEADERS ARE RARELY IF EVER ELECTED TO ANY POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY SO THEY ARE FREE TO LIVE IN AN ALTERNATIVE REALITY OF WOO.

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    ‪8. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities). ANARCHO-CAPITALISM - NUFF SAID

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    ‪9. The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.  CONSTANT REFRAINS OF "UNI-PARTY" BY LIBERTARIANS ARE AN ATTEMPT TO SHAME THOSE WHO VOTE FOR TRADITIONAL PARTIES AND GUILT TRIP THEM INTO VOTING FOR A LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE.

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    ‪10. Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group. CURRENT PROMINENT YOUTUBE LIBERTARIAN ANARCHO-CAPITALIST STEPHAN MOLYNEUX ADVOCATES THAT A PERSON'S FAMILY OF ORIGIN (FOO) IS OFTEN NOT DESIRABLE AND TO REACH TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT, THAT PERSON SHOULD "deFOO", OR SEVER RELATIONSHIPS WITH FAMILY.  MOLYNEUX IS SEEN BY MANY AS A CULT LEADER.

    ‪11. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. LEAVE THE DARKSIDE (UNIPARTY), COME TO LIGHT.

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    ‪12. The group is preoccupied with making money. "TAXATION IS THEFT"

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    ‪13. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities. LIBERTARIANS SEEM TO SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME ON YOUTUBE MESSAGE BOARDS (AMONG OTHER MESSAGE BOARDS) , PREOCCUPIED WITH BLOVIATING THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MILTON.

    CHECK

    ‪14. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members. SEE deFOO COMMENT ABOVE.

    CHECK

    ‪15. The most loyal members (the true believers) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

    14/14 MAKES ME THINK #15 IS AXIOMATICALLY A TRUTHFUL STATEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO LIBERTARIANISM BEING A CULT.

    Even though my original statement was tongue in cheek, that was pretty easy.

    Thanks for providing the template.

  2. 3 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

    Not at all.....regardless if one is more liberal than the other (would be interesting to see how this is judged)....they are all liberal.  

    What we should question is how Hogg wasn't admitted to some state schools with far less rigorous academic requirements, but was admitted to Harvard.  (where we know his 1270 SAT score was very much an outlier of the typical admitted student)

    Was not your point that Harvard being a relatively liberal school was the reason he was accepted?  

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  3. 13 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

    Perhaps...I don't know one way or the other...but if the Cali schools are more liberal, that would seem to make them uber liberal.  Note the various articles calling out or noting Harvard's liberal bias. (including Harvard's own school paper)

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/harvard-liberal-conservatives-political-bias/2018/05/29/id/863005/

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harvard-faculty-backs-democrats-96-of-the-time-says-school-paper

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red-alert-politics/harvard-students-call-for-the-hiring-of-more-conservative-professors

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/more-harvard-yale-freshmen-identify-lgbtq-conservative-surveys-find-n909781

    Again, if Hogg had been calling out for protection of the 2nd amendment and support of the NRA, would a 1270 SAT got him admittance to Harvard?

     

     

    So your point is that uber liberal schools don't like Hogg and less liberal schools like Harvard do like him?  Not following you point.

    Fox has more than adequately answered your question IMO.

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  4. 1 hour ago, swordfish said:

    https://www.hannity.com/media-room/aoc-explodes-cortez-says-she-doesnt-care-anymore-screams-im-the-boss-on-climate-change/?fbclid=IwAR22eSdlmCfe8m_0kJbi1Lc9UMdNrZP2evd69LiPv7vo3empE05MFoLGYl8

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez continued to deflect criticism of her ‘Green New Deal’ over the weekend; repeatedly yelling “I’m the boss” when it comes to climate-change policy and future legislation.

    “You know what? I don’t care anymore. Again, I’m at least trying and they’re not. The power is in the person who’s trying regardless of the success. If you’re trying you’ve got all the power,”

    “I just introduced ‘Green New Deal’ two weeks ago and it’s creating all of this conversation. Why? Because no one else has even tried… You try, you do it. Because you’re not. Until you do it, I’m the boss. How about that?” she yelled.

    So, she's the boss....

     

    You sure seem to snap to attention whenever she is mentioned.

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  5. On 2/22/2019 at 5:22 PM, Muda69 said:

    Hmm, NightHawk.    American Vision, the organization in question, is not a church. They seem more like an organization that champions the turning of American into a de-facto Christian theocracy.   But perusing their website at https://americanvision.org  I see nothing where they advocate for the killing of homosexuals.  If you find such evidence please share it with us.

    Now if we do want to include traditional churches that also claim they 100% follow the teachings found in the Christian Holy Bible,  and therefore according to you must also be advocates for the killing of homosexuals, should these following churches make the SPLC list as "hate groups"?

    The Church of Jesus Christ

    Argos United Methodist Church

    Parkside Community Church

    Cornerstone Church

    Gilead Church

    Walnut Church of the Brethren

    Yes.  Anyone that wishes to say gays should be killed for being gay(the Bible says so) should be labeled a hate group.  What say you?

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  6. You, yourself (in bold print no less) showed where that church claimed to follow the Biblical teaching on homosexuality.  The Biblical teaching in Leviticus is clearly to kill gays.

    If you advocate killing of a group of people with out actually killing them based on their sexual orientation, this is clearly a hateful group.  

    Are you suggesting that you have to physically kill someone to be considered a hate group??   Clearly you are not that stupid?  Or maybe Wabash82 is correct....

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  7. 42 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

    Another Dot on the ‘Hate Map’: https://spectator.org/another-dot-on-the-hate-map/

     

    The Bible tells us to kill the gays.  If this group follows the Bible with regards to homosexuality as they say they do....they are pretty hateful.

    Thanks for sharing this article that shows the SPLC is looking out for those who have been terrorized by folks that try to hide their hatred behind the Bible.

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  8. Just now, TrojanDad said:

    I don't know...purely speculation on my part...but it feels today, an agenda of new media (on both sides of the political spectrum) dictate what catches fire....as they attempt to reach their audiences.

    Its about the politics....and ultimately the $$.  

    Clicks no doubt drive decisions.  Wonder why the MSM thought this story might get clicks....

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  9. 7 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

    YOU INTIMATED THAT HE SOMEHOW GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.  NOT READING BETWEEN BETWEEN LINES.  YOUR BIAS IS PLAIN AS DAY.

    Slow down, use your words. I was speaking of all members of congress at the airport, not the train station.

    As it turns out....some do receive preferential treatment.....https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/not-everybody-has-to-go-through-airport-security.html/

    And now, as a former VP, he's exempt for life from TSA line.

    SEMANTICS, AND YES I HAVE WORN THEM A FEW TIMES.  CRAZY JOE PROBABLY HAS MORE OCCASION TO WEAR THEM THEN I.  

    I would argue this isn't semantics, words mean things:

    Own:

    /ōn/

    adjective & pronoun
     
    1. 1.
      used with a possessive to emphasize that someone or something belongs or relates to the person mentioned.
      "they can't handle their own children"
    verb
     
    1. 1.
      have (something) as one's own; possess.
      "his father owns a restaurant"
      synonyms: be the owner of, possess, be the (proud) possessor of, have in one's possession, have to one's name, count among one's possessions, have, keep, retain, maintain, hold, be blessed with, enjoy, boast
      "I own this house"
       

    Wear:

    /wer/
    verb
     
    1. 1.
      have on one's body or a part of one's body as clothing, decoration, protection, or for some other purpose.
      "he was wearing a dark suit"
      synonyms: be dressed in, be clothed in, have on, sport; More
       

    Congrats on wearing them, I'm too tight to buy the shirt with the cuffs, and would have VERY few occasions to wear. I bet you looked really cool. When I get inducted into the GID Hall of Fame, can you loan me a shirt and your cuff links, it would be epic.

    THE NEW NORMAL IS TO CALL THEM "ALTERNATIVE FACTS".  HE APPEARS TO HAVE DONE HIS JOB AND NOT EXPLOITED IT.  SHOCKING, I KNOW.

    I never said he didn't do his job, he's worked in government for essentially his entire adult life, that's the definition of eating at the public trough. When he campaigns he talks about all that is wrong with the country, for the last 42 years, he's been one of the dudes creating that. He's in Germany right now shoveling that crap. I've never used the term "alternative facts", I'm not sure how you perceive anything I've typed as "alternative facts". You keep bringing up my bias, R's, D's, they're two sides of the same coin. 

    Look I get it, Biden's your guy, my only point in all of this is it really seems odd to me that he's an anomaly when it comes to career politicians and their finances. I had a local rep that did two stints short stints and fared much better financially. He was taken very good care of following the Obamacare vote based on the fact that everyone knew a Yea vote meant the end of his time as District 9 rep. 

     

    I obviously own them and have worn the cufflinks and your effort to make some sort of weak personal jab at my "coolness" is cute.  Waste of time.

    Never said Biden's "my guy". Another conjecture by you trying to mask your biased attack on the fella.  Look, I get it, you don't like to be called on your biases.  Not the end of the world.

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  10. It was a public user reply form.  Unsecured site but I rolled the dice.

    Here is what I sent:

    Mr. Sutton

    Why were you so emboldened to make such an inflammatory statement in your recent editorial?  Any insight would be welcome.

    Good Day,

    Everett Stokes

    I will keep you posted.  No answer to a phone call. It would seem that Mr. Goodloe has gone on radio silence after all these unfair, fake news attacks on a true southern gentleman.  

     I got your sarcasm.  If he doesn't speak for ALL conservatives, he must, in your estimation, speak for SOME conservatives.  Is this the point you were trying to make?  

    Looks like Mr. Sutton also likes to attack NFL players, Muslims, Mexicans, and call women nasty names.  Hmmmm.  I wonder if he only speaks for the 3000 subscribers or is there a larger narrative here and that Sutton is just one example.

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  11. 12 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

    I’m sure his contact info is available since he OWNS the paper, why don’t you contact him and ask him?

    It's a print only newspaper with no web site.  If you find an email for Goodloe Sutton I will ask him and CC you.

    Still scratching my head as to why he might have been so brazen in 2019 to make these comments that seem to embarrass much of his own state.

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  12. 11 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

    I know I’m going to ragret (sic) this!

    TAKING A TRAIN INSTEAD OF AIR TRAVEL SPUN AS A NEGATIVE.  PRETZEL LOGIC.

    How did I spin anything, he took the train, I offered some possible reasons why. There’s nothing between the lines to read.  YOU INTIMATED THAT HE SOMEHOW GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.  NOT READING BETWEEN BETWEEN LINES.  YOUR BIAS IS PLAIN AS DAY.

    THIS AVERAGE JOE HAS HIS GRANDPA'S GOLD CUFFLINKS.  SHOOTING A SHOTGUN IN THE AIR SEEMS EXACTLY WHAT AN AVERAGE JOE WOULD DO.

    You might have missed the part where I said “wears”, which means you actually have them physically on their person, or in this case their clothes. Congrats on your inheritance, do you “wear” them? I think they look cool as hell, but since I don’t have any shirts with French cuffs, or cuff links, I’m pretty much out. I’ve never fired a firearm into the air, as Foxy pointed out those projectiles will eventually come down. I’ve never seen it done either.  SEMANTICS, AND YES I HAVE WORN THEM A FEW TIMES.  CRAZY JOE PROBABLY HAS MORE OCCASION TO WEAR THEM THEN I.  

    IF YOU'VE GOT THE MONIKER "CRAZY UNCLE JOE", YOU'VE, BY DEFINITION, NOT GOTTEN A PASS.  OR MAYBE HE IS JUST STUPID

    I’m sorry, I got nothing. 

    NO ONE SAID HE WAS BROKE, JUST HASN'T FED AT THE TROUGH.  OR MAYBE HE IS JUST STUPID.  POOR SPIN ATTEMPT.

    Busted, I took some creative license, he’s not broke. Hasn’t fed at the public trough? HE WAS A US SENATOR FOR 36 YEARS! FOLLOWED BY EIGHT YEARS AS VP! He has a pretty sweet pension package, I’d say he’s got his face buried in the trough. THE NEW NORMAL IS TO CALL THEM "ALTERNATIVE FACTS".  HE APPEARS TO HAVE DONE HIS JOB AND NOT EXPLOITED IT.  SHOCKING, I KNOW.

     

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