MonkeyButt

I see BD coming out on top and possibly undefeated in the MIC. I see LC taking the second spot. Then a toss up between WC and LN. Pike and then NC. If we are including Carmel and CG I see them at two and three, but a possible upset of LC over Carmel. But BD is my pick to win 6A this year.

On 8/21/2023 at 10:44 AM, BTF said:

What made him such a good coach at Mount Vernon? 

Comparing Mt Vernon to Warren, IMO, isn't necessarily a fair comparison. Different schools in so many ways other than the obvious a 4A school and a 6A school. What is more comparable is why the success with Ben Davis and what looks to be continued underachieving of expectations. Why the success at BD and not at WC? K shouldn't have struggled nearly as bad his second year with that talented group of seniors as he did. I say the same about the team this year. 

On 8/19/2023 at 5:38 AM, temptation said:

As one who is often accused of hyperbole, I’m not sure even I can disagree with this statement.

There was not a more surprising score in the state last night than this one and I never thought I would type the following sentence but here we are…

There was a noticeable difference in speed and strength on that field last night in favor of Snider.  They were finishing runs well into the second half and punishing Warren at the line of scrimmage.

The even scarier part (as mentioned above) is that the Panthers made their fair share of mistakes and STILL blew out Warren.

Take away Warren’s special teams score/pick 6 and this one looks even uglier..though I will also point out that Warren had a kick return that landed them on the 1 yard line called back.

Might be a long year on the east side.

I said this at the end of Kirschner's first season at Warren and I stand by it. It is the coaching. 

BD is my 6A preseason state champ pick. Honestly they might even roll to LOS IMO.

7 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said:

Read the first post 

WowI I totally glossed over your response. smh. Glad you are still kicking my friend! 

21 hours ago, Donnie Baker said:

I think you have the wrong Donnie Baker. I swear to God you do 

So you haven't died? Maybe I do. smh

Prayers for the family. I haven't been on here as long as many or most, but long enough to enjoy Donnie Baker's perspectives, input, jokes, and even being the butt of a few of his responses to my posts! RIP Donnie Baker!

On 6/20/2023 at 10:28 AM, BDGiant93 said:

We'll see what the Giants have. I sure like Coach Mann! It's been a very easy handoff from Simmons to Mann. We'll see if they can do it on the field, though. 

My son played under Mann as his scout QB for his defense. Some would say they weren't impressed by his defenses the past couple of years. That can be put squarely on the very poor offensive teams WC has shown the past three years. But when WC had better offenses their defenses were very tough to beat! Some of the best in the state. H is a great strategist, huge motivator, and knows the game likely better than any coach I know, besides Coach Ralph at New Pal or Moore at CG. He loves his players, but tells them straight how it is. We are really excited for him and this opportunity. It is his time and I think he will pick up where Simmons left off. He has a great roster that is loaded and looking for "redemption" so to speak. I believe will make a great run for LOS. I am looking forward to that IMG and WC game though. Phew! Gonna be tough and fun to watch hopefully.

On 7/19/2023 at 7:55 AM, temptation said:

Did a weekly installment of this last fall at it generated discussion and received solid feedback so I’m gonna give it a go again in 2023.

Here’s how I see the state’s top 25, regardless of class, heading into the opening week.

Admittedly, my knowledge of central Indiana (my backyard) is better than other areas but I did some homework and even picked the brains of some GID members for which I am grateful.

Once the season starts, I’ll post these every weekend after surfing game results.

I’ll keep 50 teams in my database (25 honorable mention) weekly but will await week 1 results before doing so.

Critique away!

1. Center Grove
2. Cathedral
3. Ben Davis
4. Hamilton Southeastern
5. Brownsburg
6. Carmel
7. Westfield
8. Warren Central
9. Carroll (Fort Wayne)
10. Fishers
11. Valparaiso 
12. East Central
13. Lawrence North
14. Lawrence Central
15. Crown Point
16. Fort Wayne Snider
17. New Palestine
18. Roncalli
19. Bishop Chatard
20. Penn
21. Fort Wayne North
22. Whiteland
23. Franklin Central
24. Merrillville
25. West Lafayette

I like this poll! Good job! I'd only change a few things. East Central should be higher and LC should be in the top ten at least. I think they are going to bring it this year. Also, though I am a New Pal guy, I think Mt. Vernon should at least be on the list. I feel out of all the teams in our conference they lost the least.

On 6/16/2023 at 10:46 AM, BDGiant93 said:

Probably the usual suspects in 6A. You have to continue to go with the champs until they are no longer the champs at #1. Giants should be there in the mix somewhere as well. Lots of good players coming back on both sides of the ball. 

I really like BD this year. CG just seems to always be there no matter what they bring back. Coach Moore has a juggernaut over there and may be the second program to 4 peat (unless there was others outside of WC).

One of the best people and coaches I know. It is his time! 

I love this for Indiana football. I think this is a great opportunity win or lose (they will do better than BS did). I talked with Coach Simmons about this briefly yesterday and basically it was an opporunity he felt they couldn't pass up. You want to be the best measure yourself against one of the best. I believe it will probably be the national team, at least I hope it will be. I am looking forward to this game for sure!

On 12/5/2022 at 1:36 PM, temptation said:

Including receptions, the kid touched the ball on over 50 percent of Roncalli’s offensive snaps…averaging over 30 touches per game.

Then, went out and played defense.

At a 4A school, against a top 20 schedule. 
 

Taking NOTHING away from Coyle but this is absolutely criminal.

Temptation I am with you. I was completely shocked that Hansen was not the Mr Football RB winner. I expected the overall award to be between Bowen and Hansen. I didn't even see it as close with anyone else. I am still shocked by it. Watching Roncalli literally run all over New Pal like no one had done all year, it wasn't all OL. They helped, but Hansen was a strong, fall forward RB. Best in the state in my opinion. Perfect example, we struggled not having our starting RB, Grayson Thomas, even with a great OL in front of our back up. But Grayson just brings sometime special for NP's running game. Roncalli wouldn't have been nearly as good without Hansen. I think his OL would agree.

On 11/20/2022 at 10:43 AM, temptation said:

Bump.

Paging this guy also…

 @MonkeyButt@Piratefan101

Yes sir. Can I help you?

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Hope it lives up to the hype.

I do and I don't since I have a personal stake in this being a New Pal fan. Regardless I just hope we are the ones continuing on. Looking forward to see what Roncalli has to offer.

11 hours ago, temptation said:

Game of the year in my opinion.

Hey something we agree on!

So what about the position awards. I know we are all here arguing for the overall. What about specific position awards for Mr Football?

25 minutes ago, BTF said:

Just wondering what they have for 2023. They open with Snider. 

Their 2025 class is one of the best in the state and they will still have a playmaker at QB even after this senior graduates. The 2024 class is really talented too. Should be a good match up though.

On 11/5/2022 at 2:38 PM, WarrenGrad12 said:

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of it could be the product of bad competition, but I definitely think it's a different offense with this new QB. Will it be enough? I'm not sure. Center Grove is Center Grove and that's a tough place to win in the tournament. But I like Warren's chances much better today than I did two weeks ago.

What won't help is one of Warren's best kids on the OL was ejected last night, so you know what that means for next week.

Please tell me not the left tackle.

On 11/5/2022 at 7:18 PM, BTF said:

Is this Warren team young or experienced?

In some ways young, but still experienced because they have were young last year. Most everyone starting started last year. Some the year before.

1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

The statement was "I have yet to see a 6A team from the north come close to competing with an Indy team for a state championship title". I just gave an instance regardless and it was 7 years ago. There is no if it was 21-16 in the 4th qtr between Penn and CG. I would 100% call that competitive.

It hasn't but there has been competitive game between Central Indiana and Northern Indiana teams at the Regional Semi-State Level. It's not the State Championship but they gave a battle to a Central Indiana team in the Regional or Semi-State, but it ended up being 2 Central Indiana teams in teh State Cgponship game

I get what you are saying. But why do the Indy teams pull them out regularly? Why do they win the tight games more often than not? Is it because their are more battle tested? Since being in Indy and see the history of winners in 5A and 6A it baffled me that Indy teams do win as much as they do as far as titles. Is it because Indy area teams have tougher schedules and are overall better? I curious on y'alls take who are more familiar with northern school schedules.

1 hour ago, PDB26 said:

@MonkeyButt probably should have said "consistently competing" or more than "occasionally competing". I do think you could say that Penn was consistently competing with Carmel for a  stretch from 2013-2017. Being honest, it hasn't been pretty for the true north for about 20 years now.

Fair enough

1 minute ago, FastpacedO said:

2015 Center Grove beat Penn 28-16, was that not competing?

Note 6A has only been around since 2013 so 9 years old. Back in 5A (pre 6A) the last true Northern team to win (not Central Indiana) was Penn in 2000 with a 21-0 win over Center Grove.

I know this argument is as "old as time" that Indy teams are better but looking at tournament history in the 2000's and then 5A prior to 6A formation they are in regards to larger schools (5A and 6A). Penn and FW Snider are the only northern teams (tru north, not just northern bracket) to win in this decade and that was once each. AND if we go back further in 5A all the way back to 1985 only 4 times did a northern team win and again that was the same two teams, FW Snider and Penn. So in the last 36 years a team from the north has won state in either 5A or 6A a total of 6 times. Indy teams have largely dominated. Even if it is a close game, they aren't taking the title home on even a semi-regular basis. I am not saying northern teams are overrated, but they have been largely dominated in the sense that they aren't able to win the championship when it is all said and done. 

Just now, FastpacedO said:

2015 Center Grove beat Penn 28-16, was that not competing?

Maybe. But if Penn was even in the game that is still one championship game since 2014.

22 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Isn't that essentially what "overrated means"?

I would add that for me for a team to be overrated I think that the hype that goes along with that team also can play into whether not a team is overrated. Last year it was an accomplishment that Merrillville went undefeated, but having a running clock put on you by another team I would say they were overrated. However, if the game was closer, then no, not overrated, just not as good as the other team. I am not saying one cannot be considered overrated and be undefeated. I am just saying that the two don't have to be always true. You can lose by a close margin to a better team, even when it was predicted you should win, and not be overrated IMO.

20 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Isn't that essentially what "overrated means"?

Not necessarily. I think going undefeated is a huge accomplishment. No one should take that away from any program. However, and I know that seems I am negating what I just said, I believe that one undefeated team versus another may not be as good simply because their schedule didn't test them as well as the other undefeated team's schedule did.