psaboy

5 hours ago, Mebuck said:

Oh I Agree 100%. Ledo looked good.

Ledo has a lot of talent. Wish he was playing fr Snider, but I understand why they had to dismiss him for disciplinary reasons. Does he have any college FBS or FCS offers?

17 hours ago, BTF said:

This thread originated with 24 teams. Both the MIC and HCC have 8 teams, so I only included the top 8 teams from the SAC. But you are correct, North Side and South Side will bring those numbers down further.

Got ya. 

12 hours ago, QB said:

10 years is a lot of work, but here is the past 5 with a sparkline showing a trend for each conference. 

Cool info, looks like the HCC holds on 10 to 14 point average better than SAC. It currently shows the HCC to be a more balanced conference. You do have two teams missing from SAC, North Side and South Side, they will actually bring that average down further, they are normally in the bottom end of the conference most years. 

Anyone have scrimmage match ups for tonight?

17 hours ago, Coach P said:

I agree with the top 5 in the 6A Poll, but after that its IMHO way off. Seen a lot of these teams in the summer.  Lets seen how it stacks up in week 3.

I'm surprised Homestead didn't receive any votes in 6A. I've heard they have very good team this year. Also, surprised Warsaw didn't get a vote or two IMO, may be able to give Penn a run for sectional this year. 

22 hours ago, BTF said:

This is how the top three conferences stacked up in 2018 according to Sagarin. The gap between the MIC and the HCC is about the same as the gap between  the HCC and the SAC. It doesn't appear that this is going to create much debate.

1.     Warren Central     121

2.     Center Grove     105

3.     North Central     103

4.     Carmel     101

5.     Avon     97

6.     Brownsburg     92

7.     Ben Davis     92

8.     Lawrence North     90 

9.     Lawrence Central     89

10.   Bishop Dwenger     88

11.   Snider     86

12.   Zionsville     86

13.   Westfield     84

14.   Noblesville     81

15.   Hamilton SE     81

16.   Homestead     80

17.   Fishers     80

18.   Wayne     79

19.   Pike     75

20.   Luers     73

21.   Carroll     73

22.   Franklin Central     71

23.   Concordia     69

24.   Northrop     69

 

 

I would be interested in looking the Sagrain ratings over the past 10 years. I think the Sagrain ratings for the SAC get "skewed" down due to all in conference games the past 4 seasons. 

9 minutes ago, BTF said:

Well, 0-6 against Carmel in games decided by 3 points or less won't get them to the next level against Penn. Have to somehow get over that hump. 

Yes, Carmel is always an obstacle now. Snider matched up better with them back in the 90's and early 2000's, that can be directly related to school size IMO. I do think this year they have good chance with the senior heavy team, but you never know until the time comes. 

Just now, Mebuck said:

Got to get past Homestead first.

Yeah, I'm aware of that, they have good team from what I hear. Normally that is not an issue, but there is always that 1 time out of 9 or 10.

9 hours ago, BTF said:

Agree. I think the best scenario for Snider is alternating back and forth from 5 to 6. Best of both worlds. On one hand they get to play other schools with similar population. On the other hand they get to rumble with the absolute best. That being said, if I had to make a choice, it would be 6a. Nothing better to me than watching the Panthers line up against giants like Carmel and Penn.

I'm really hoping they can get by regional (likely have to beat Carmel) this year and play Penn for semi (99% sure that would be team). They haven't played Penn in post season for quite some time. 

10 minutes ago, BTF said:

What is the enrollment at Columbus East? Certainly more than 1200?

1475 per the IHSAA enrollment page

4 hours ago, WilELee said:

I'm pretty sure they were 6A based on enrollment. When it looked like Snider was in 5A this year, Warsaw was the smallest 6A school, except for Columbus East. So when Snider went back up, Valpo went down.

Yeah, strange that a team that wins sectional two years in a row (Snider) with a smaller enrollment, trumps a higher enrollment school that won a regional. Oh well, not complaining since I rather have Snider play in 6A, just curious.

14 hours ago, Boilernation said:

IMO, Valpo’s move to 5A makes them an immediate contender to rep the the North. They are going to have some very large and disruptive lines on both sides of the ball.

So, I'm trying to understand why Valpo moved down to 5A after having enough success points to stay in 6A after winning regional??

5 hours ago, BLKnights7 said:

Snider will have a solid team per usual and probably lose in regionals. Would have liked to see them in 5a 

They have 37 seniors this year, so the experience is there. Let's see if they can get over the "Carmel" hump this year. That is if they can beat Homestead, heard they have good team this year as well. 

5 hours ago, Mebuck said:

I think the new security is a pain In the Buttocks.  It almost kept me away.

I agree, think that had kept people from getting back on. 

1 hour ago, OldschoolFB said:

My understanding is  Duff and Eley are both playing. 

I've heard Duff is TE, maybe starter?? Have not heard anything on injuries. There were a few Snider "posters" on GID last year, but haven;t seen them this year, Komets 3001 come to mind but seems to be AWOL this year. 

Summit City Sports streams all SAC games every week 😙

I'm not talking Muda to not post on GID, just needs to move off the subject at hand. 

8 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Correct, they don't have to.  But there is something, although dying in our society, called common courtesy.  And I appreciate Jimmie taking the time out of his busy schedule to address my question promptly and honestly.

So will other future threads about this subject, about other coaches at other schools, also be unceremoniously deleted/hidden?  If so, and if this is now the official GID policy, IMHO it needs to be added to the GID posting guidelines. 

 

Maybe Muda should start up their own high school football web site so those threads can be openly discussed and presented?? Muda just needs to move on. 

Do more coaches use Cal Preps or Max Preps? Is there any other site for high school sports?

12 hours ago, Mebuck said:

Does anyone know how progress is coming at Northrop? I heard it may not be done in time. 

I have not heard anything on that, hope that is not the case.

1 hour ago, Temptation said:

Sorry.  Got you mixed up with psaboy.

LOL

I heard from one source Snider has 10 returning starters and 14 returning from another. Anyone know the real number?

9 hours ago, Robert said:

Awaiting to see who else goes to Wayne.  🙂 🙂

Who all has gone there this year?  I think I heard about one kid from Luers, who else?

51 minutes ago, BTF said:

And what does that have to do with anything?

You mean the guys who support the athletic program by attending the games with their friends on Friday nights? Those guys? It doesn't make a difference who is on the team and who isn't. The fans are difference makers. No fans, no athletic program. All opinions matter my friend.

To beat "a" 6a power from the south? Or did you mean the BEST 6a power from the south? Snider has won against Carmel, Warren Central, Ben Davis, Fishers, and Hamilton Southeastern.............and they will again. As their enrollment gets smaller and the Indy Mega's get larger, the wins may be fewer and far between, but there will be wins. But to have a team that is better than EVERY Indy mega power? Your right, it might be a once in a decade thing. It used to be 6 years. Best team in the state  in 1986 (turnovers), 1992 (champs), 1997 (mud), 2004 (injuries), and possibly (I say this cautiously) 2015. Let's just stop pretending that Snider's not a factor in 6a anymore.

As fans, we know the road to Lucas and actually win might be a once in a decade thing. Sure, a run to a 5a title is fun, but there is nothing like knocking heads against the likes of Carmel and Penn.  

I couldn't have said it better myself !!

11 hours ago, BTF said:

Snider wins two sectionals in a row at the 6a level. They advance by defeating schools of 2300 students compared to their 1800. Congrats to them, now they get Carmel............5000.

I see both sides of the coin. I'm a firm believer that if you want to be the best, you've got to beat the best. So bring on Carmel and their entire student body of 5000, it doesn't bother me as much as some others. I mean, just two years ago Snider was one mistake away from blowing Carmel out of the water. Carmel is the type of competition I personally like to see even though we've failed several times in a row against them.  I'm also aware that I am of the minority in my thought process. That being said, is the new rule (the one just implemented a month ago), good for high school football? Originally, I thought it was, but now I'm starting to wonder.

Overall, I do like the idea of the success factor. But I think you should dominate your class for 5 years before you bump up, then bump down after 3 for lack of success. Going 5 years instead of 2 shows that your dominance is a result of having a powerful program and not a rare abundance of athletes in one particular class.

The two year cycle is, for the most part, a punishment to the upcoming classes. A five year cycle makes more sense. And if a school has 5 state championships in the cycle, so what, they deserved it. Now go up a class for 3 years and try to do the same. If not, go back down where you belong according to your student body numbers.

I too would rather have them play Carmel or other team that comes out of sectional 4 and have limited success. As long as they are competitive. They were in 2017 until they imploded/went into thug mode, 2018 they were not very competitive. But I'll take that over pasting Kokomo by 40 in regional year after year in 5A. Snider should want to play the best. I do like the 5 year, but maybe same thing could be done in 3 or 4 years, most "dominate" team cycles due to heavy class(es) is a 1 to 2 year stretch at the upper level it seems.