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Bluffton @ Luers - Luers wins big. Running clock. 56-7 FWBL

LCC @ Andrean - Upset of the week. 28-24 Central Catholic

Mater Dei @ Triton Central - Like TC here. Think they control the LOS on both sides & force MD to be one dimensional.  24-14 TC

Lapel @ Linton - Lapel's better than their record. Finally healthy and playing their best football.  Power run game with Big O line & workhorse RB. Freshman gunslinger at QB.  Had they been healthy & played all season as they are now,  record would be 9-3, possibly 10-2. Can't ignore the 2.5hr+ bus ride however. Lapel keeps it close early, but if Linton gets up multiple scores I can see this one snowballing late.  42-14 Miners

16 minutes ago, Miner_Pride said:

I  also wouldn't say that... Altho that 2016 team was pretty awesome.  Both teams are very similar, and I have been asked countless times my opinion on who would be tops between Meurer and Gennicks.  They both were outstanding on both sides of the ball, and both made plays to single handedly win ballgames in their Miner career.  It would be a heck of a game... and i'm not gonna try and pick. LOL.  I don't see any 70+ margin on either side.  same with 2012 team.    Tyler had 1524 yards and 32 rush TDs in '16...and had great support with Kendall Williams and Keaton Cox (soph), and bulldozer in the Blue Mule..aka Mason Garrett at RB.  Hunter is at 1710 rush yards at this point in 12 games, with 29 rush TDs.  He also has solid backing with Braden Walter and Jesse Voigtschild (a soph), and HUnter Johns at RB...    Johns and Mason both with big motors, Garrett more pure power and Hunter with a huge burst of speed...     GEnnicks has benefit from a tri fecta of height in the passing game.. 6'3 Oliver 6'4 Webb and 6'5 Walters...as well as Voigtschild from WB.  At this point Hunter is 105-192 with 1449... 19 TDs and just 3 picks.  2016 did not throw nearly as much.... 117 attempts... 56 complete, 1402 yards... 19 TDs and just 2 picks.  2016 didn't have near the options...Williams and Cox each had 13 catches...Bill Smith had 10.  For 2022 the pass has been much more prominent and effective.  Webb with 33 catches, Oliver 22... and Walters with 22 as well... all three well over 300 yards apiece.  Voigtshild adds another 10 and 180+.  

I can see by the numbers that 2016 didn't give up near the pass yards. Sullivan as always it seems, had 191.. but honestly... I don't see the teams on that schedule being pass heavy teams other than the Arrows and perhaps Eastern Greene.  Tecumseh as well.  So it's hard to make comparisons.  I know that the LB group from '16 was pretty stellar with Avery Gentry, Ian Fonseca, Williams  Cox...and luke Miller too.  Meurer was certainly a huge factor at FS and Linton used 3 DBs then.  I think Gennicks, Walters, Voigtschild and Johns have the ability...and I think they showed that much better this game... plus Feltner and Webb give depth we didn't have in 2016.   I feel Ashton Miller this year reminds me of Chance Howard at NT on D...  '16 had some big talent up front with Clayton Walker and Mason at DE's...Levi Jerrels with Howard at DT.  Russell Goodman has really impressed as a Freshman at ILB this year, but it's hard to top that group of LB's in 2016!  2022 has 3 year starters in Giles and Franklin on the O line and definitely a high point talked about coming into the year... 2016 wasn't as big, all seniors, but averaged 327.7 per game on the ground.....

Hard to answer than inevitable question.  but 70 points better?  Don't think so.  My gut says the battle would be the '22 Oline and Gennicks against those '16 LB's and DE's... '22's ability to pass... but could '22 contain Meurer as well as the inside power of Mason.   Lemme fire up my NCAA Nintendo and see.... !!  

Cal Preps:

2022- 38  2012- 31

2022- 35  2015- 31

2022- 28  2016- 40

2022- 35  2021- 34 

Be interesting to revisit when the season ends

41 minutes ago, Miner_Pride said:

I wouldn't say that.  I haven't gone thru the numbers... yet... but Sullivan put the ball in the air 34 times... hitting 16.. but... most of those completions were short.  The last 2 Sullivan possessions Linton was not going to let anything deep happen so we gave up short 8-10 yard passes.  Up 27to 24 then 33 to 24 that was an easy call.  Of those 34 passes... 11 were of 20+ yards only 2 were completed and both TDs. Voigtschild was especially good at using the sideline and not letting anyone by...plus a big pickoff at the Miner 5 just before halftime.  Both Gennicks and Walters made hits from safety that broke up passes.  Feltner, a soph, came in at CB for an injured Hunter Johns and did well.  I'll take that percentage anytime against a very good passing offense with a very good running QB.  He ran 15 times for 85 unofficial...and 9-59 was in 1st half.  

No question turnovers played a role. but cashing in on them is imperative.  Gennicks' 16 yard TD run would have been a TD from anywhere on the field.  Just as his last run from 35 would have gone the distance from anywhere.  The only gimme was the high snap giving Linton the ball at the Arrow 6.  The other Arrow fumble resulted in a 3 and out from Linton.  Linton also gave Sullivan the ball on a F near midfield just before the half but the defense answered the bell. 

Gennicks won this QB battle with 166 big rushing yards 4 rush TDs on 24 carries, 11 of those moved the chains including several 4th and short.  But credit Voigstchild (7-55) and Walters (9-48) in that run game that came to 307 yards.  Adds Gennicks 10-21-113 and Linton had 420 to Sullivan's 269.  When Linton had to dig in and move the football down 24-21, they did it.  They went 80 yards to open the game with a score...  and the 8 play 74 yard drive that put Linton up 27-24.  Also had a 16 play drive late in 3rd that was blown up on a grounding call and a failed 4th and 7.  Earlier reached Sullivan's 22 and again Sullivan stopped us on a 4th and 7.  

Yes Sullivan had a drop on a 3rd down late that would have moved chains... but yes Linton did the same thing on a 3rd and long that was clearly gonna move the chains.  Yes the arrows fumbled twice, but those were the result of big solid hits from Oliver on the 1st, and Gennicks on the 2nd.  LInton was the more physical team all night in my obviously bias opinion, as well as getting a few yellow hanky's for genuinely solid physical hits.  I don't think you can hit anymore in football.  

I definitely have respect for the Sullivan program. Rowdy Adams is a gamer Luke Adams almost unstoppable at WR, and Cody Adams a monster on defense.  The SUllivan folks know Linton, and what Linton does as well if not better than anyone....to beat them twice in one season is pretty awesome.  I think the Miner kids heard all about week 4 all week leading up to this game...not only from Sullivan folks and social media, but even from Linton fans worried about the pass defense given the first meeting as well as with Southmont in the 2nd half last week.  We faced some good passing teams in South Put and South Vermillion the prior 2 weeks and advanced too.  As I said to start with.. I think the pass D wins this game.  Toward the end Rowdy could not find the open downfield receiver and had to go under or run... and the Dline and ILB's were able to keep him from busting the long play.   The offense had to work for what they got all night...but numbers don't lie.  307 rushing, 113 passing indicates Linton did move the ball. 

Congrats to Coach Caton... Sullivan is certainly much better than a 7-5 record indicates.  I am very happy for this group of LInton Seniors...I think losing this  game and not bringing home the sectional crown would have stuck in the crawl forever and put a damper on an otherwise terrific year.  

 

 

Very well said. 

Anyone who thinks less of Linton or their postseason chances doesn't understand how dangerous that Sullivan team was nor the Linton/Sullivan rivalry. I get the sense that group isn't always the most consistent when it comes to focus and preparation, but when they're dialed in they're really good. I think ultimately the Miners were the mentally tougher team.  I'll also stand by my earlier comments - going into the game, anyone from Linton would've happily taken a 9 point win. And, a focused/motivated Sullivan team would be a handful for any 2A South opponent this season. 

Bottom line, we beat a very good team twice who's strength was our supposed "weakness". And both times by multiple scores.

11 hours ago, Donnie Baker said:

I don’t have the smarts real good so help me understand. You like Liptons chances at a team that gets past Dakich Tech or Lures instead of those 2? Wouldn’t that team probably be better?

Pretty simple. Every metric available - massey, sagarin, cal preps - says Linton's odds of beating LCC > their odds of beating Luers or Andrean.  Massey for example, gives Linton a 57% chance to beat LCC, but only 38% against Luers or Andrean. 

Obviously games are settled on the field, but there's enough data and consistency amongst the rankings to confidently say if they played today, Linton would be solid underdogs against Luers/Andrean but very slight favorites against LCC.  As you know, the best team doesn't always win.  St. Peter's wasn't better than Kentucky or Purdue last year, but they still knocked off both in the NCAA tourney.

Massey's current odds of LCC beating Andrean are 28%, Luers 29%.  Simple math tells us massey gives LCC a roughly 8% chance, or 1 in 12, of beating both Luers and Andrean. 

If LCC & Linton both get to LOS the odds probably settle around 50/50 after accounting for games over the next two weeks. 

42 minutes ago, Tippy said:

No, I don't think LCC will win, but nobody thought Jeff was going to win and they did.  I don't think Andrean will win by 25 or 30.  I would ask you what you think about the game, but you probably don't care who wins.s 

I think Andrean wins.  Hope I'm wrong though.  If Linton's fortunate enough to play at LOS and avoid Andrean or Luers I like our chances.

Wouldn't mind a rematch with LCC to boot

6 hours ago, BendNotBreak said:

Enlighten us.... MD will likly wax em again.... setting up the rematch w Liptons..... least I hope

don't see it this way...certainly don't think MD waxes them...but hope you're right.  🙏 

So you're really saying LCC wins this one, but in a roundabout way so you avoid eating crow if they don't. Solid strategy. 

5 hours ago, MHSTigerFan said:

I don’t think they practiced or prepared as much for Boonville as they normally would.  Call it a hunch.

This has to be a joke right? A tradition rich program like Reitz  decides to cut practice/preparation during sectional semi-final week?? Nah

1 hour ago, MDAlum82 said:

Curious, what in your mind is Linton's "weakness"?  My guess might be pass defense but that would be just a guess.  Remembering last year's game, LS seemed to have a lot of speed and size on both sides of the ball in their returning Jr class, now Srs.  They are many people's pick from South in 2A this year.  

Most vulnerable to a team with balance that can use the run to set up the pass. I don't think a 2A team will beat us being one dimensional. Corners have struggled letting receivers get behind them, safties are aggressive and like to hit, so over commitment by the safties with corners on an island vs quality receivers is our biggest weakness.

38 minutes ago, MDAlum82 said:

This one was closer than many, myself included, thought it would be.  At one point, the announcers gave the score of Sullivan 24 - LS 21 and there was an audible gasp among the crowd at the NP vs Mater Dei game last night.  Win and advance...that is all the matters at this point.  Congrats to the Miners..

Didn't surprise any of us familiar with both teams.  Sullivan's record doesn't do them justice.  They have gamers and very skilled, dynamic playmakers. Not to mention their strength is Linton's supposed "weakness".  

Sullivan compares favorably to Lincoln if that helps. Well coached, dual threat qb, highly skilled playmakers on the outside with a legit WR1. Defense bends, but they fly to the FB, and have opportune playmakers on that side also.  Solid special teams. Kicker puts it in the end zone & hit a 40yd fg last night 

IMO, the arrows would be a handful for any 2A school in the south. Ask Owen Valley. 

That said, great win by the Miners. Just kept battling. Lot of heart on the Miner's side of the field .  

6 hours ago, Ugminer said:

There pass defense sucks.

But we already knew that

5 hours ago, BendNotBreak said:

Ok.... before Sec finals kick off.... I'm with Nowlins... Its always been Andrean vrs the field.... Lures has the best shot of knocking em off.... even if Eastside sticks it to Luers again....  The South... has 4 contenders battling it out to c who gets a trip to LOS n a Red Ring...... Madders Days who I find suspect as the SIAC seems down this yr.... Scecina n Triton duking it out to c who gets MD... n Liptons who was exposed by Southmont....  I don't c any of those having a better shot at Andrean than Luers dose.....  SAG is a lagging indicator and starting to come around...  jmho

Exposed? How so??

5 hours ago, Oldschool said:

Triton was 3rd best team on north!  Has a REAL shot at beating North Judson if Schuh wouldn’t have gotten hurt!  Took opening drive right down field 7 minute drive and punched it in!  Shively did his best and played his ass off but when they know your running it, with not much other options, it’s hard to succeed!  With 9 minutes to go Triton had the ball first and 10 on Judson 40 down 12-6 with a legit chance!  Then it went downhill Congratulations to Triton on a good season!

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Let's keep this on the front page a little longer!

2 hours ago, FootballFan2000 said:

Can’t wait for all the comments this week. 
 

“Well, we beat Boonville by x number of points and they beat Reitz by 1, so therefore we would have won the SIAC easily”

 So you're saying Linton, Gibson Southern, Owen Valley, Southridge and maybe Sullivan all would have won the SIAC??

8 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

This really says something too because the run game was Gibson Southerns strength this year.  Devan Roberts put on arguably one of the best pure rushing seasons GS has had in a while.  30 carry 200 yard games…he had an amazing senior year.  Boyd and Delong complimented the run game all year too when they weren’t working the receiving game. 
 

Their defense truly played their best 3 Qtrs of their lives after being down 14-0 

I'd day holding Northview to 7 was pretty impressive, but hey why ruin a good story

3 minutes ago, PAC FAN said:

I cannot recall in the Coach Hart era that a GS team accumulated a net 6 yds rushing for a complete ball game… yeah I know something like 9 sacks but GS rushing game ran into a wall…. To me there in lies the difference…. GS dominated the passing game but couldn’t get a dominant rush to eat up the clock when they had the lead.

OV will not be an easy out for a SR or a HH!

Try to tell people in this thread OV was very good against the run.

Of course all we heard was the "after watching film, OV has a nice team but they'll need to make some adjustments to stay within 3 scores of GS" type comments.

I guess they made those adjustmens??

Just now, LC_Bears_04 said:

Well obviously Owen Valley was the better team tonight, I'm asking for a breakdown of how the game transpired and what Owen Valley did well and what Gibson Southern didn't do well in the game.

Best them up front on both sides. Shut down run game. Tons of pressure on GS qb, 9 sacks.  Pounded the ball on offense. Wore GS down

3 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Believe it’s a live ball as long as the ball stays behind the LOS. If it it’s blocked but still crosses the original LOS it’s blown dead.

Copy. I was listening on the radio so didn't see it live, but per the call I believe LOS was 15 prior to the kick. OV blocks kick, returning for a score and ref blows dead.  OV gets ball at the 24.  Doesn't sound like ball crossed LOS.

TBH, announcers were certainly pro OV so kinda took everything with a grain of salt but they made it sound like GS received several breaks from the officials. 

34 minutes ago, Once a Titan said:

Congratulations OV 

Great game and much deserved!!!!

Sounded to me like OV wore GS down. Constant pressure on the QB. 

My guess, this would be a repeatable outcome for OV. They're much better than they were given credit for by most here

2 minutes ago, LC_Bears_04 said:

What happened to Gibson Southern tonight?  I'm absolutely shocked at this final score.

Got beat by a better team

Just now, wvigo13 said:

Hate to say I told ya so....

This! Lot of shade thrown.  Patriots better up front on both sides. 9 sacks

8 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Owen Valley drives the length of the field eventually it’s a QB keeper against the Gibson Southern defense.  
 

All tied up again! 
 

GS 21

OV 21 

4th Qtr about to start 

OV wearing GS down. Seems they're winning up front on both sides 

Just now, Once a Titan said:

21-21 3rd :24

Thoughts on the blocked FG being blown dead on the return?

Sounds like OV is winning up front on both sides

0:24 3q

Gibson Southern 21 Owen Valley 21

Per radio: OV blocks GS field goal.  Return for touchdown, official blows play dead negating score. 

Anyone there elaborate?