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1 hour ago, Temptation said:

Got it.  Just looked it up.  Thought he would be faster.  Didn’t crack the varsity lineup in the 100 (two can compete per event in the tournament) and ran on a 4x100 that finished EIGHTH at the sectional.

Where does he rank on the gridiron in terms of fastest players on the team?

What percentage of New Pal footballers compete in track in the spring?

Genuinely curious.

 

If I remember correctly, there was an incident with the 4x100 team on the exchange at sectional. One runner stepped on another, rolling his ankle and shredding the shoe of the next runner.

As for ranking the players speed, I don’t know the answer to that. Top 5 at least?

Ralph also coaches track so there are quite a few football players that participate.

Not sure Spegal had ever run track before. It seems to have helped, as Ive notice a difference in spring and summer stuff.

10 hours ago, Temptation said:

You sure about this?  Results?

Am I sure he ran track?  Yes.  Am I sure he looks faster to me?  Yes.

I believe he ran 4x100 and 100.

8 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

I see on 247 Charlie has offers from Army and Indiana State.  Can really see a fit with Army as a fullback, but not sure if he's interested in the military path.  Anyone with some additional insight about other potential landing spots following high school.

Love to see him run...when he's not playing CG!!  LOL!

 

Ran track this spring.  He looks noticeably faster this year.  Should be interesting.

Great post 👍

Interestingly, with the new TSF rules, Cathedral would never have left 6A . . . 

4 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Of course it is. The conclusion, then, is that the only way New Pal can challenge themselves is to play up a class in the tourney. Why won’t they? 

They do!

Michigan City lost a lot, I think.  Valpo will be tough, I hear.

there were four 5-team sectionals in 5A in the previous cycle

13 minutes ago, Payne said:

Same here. Seems odd to have a 5 team 5A Sectional while at the same time there are two 7 team 4A Sectionals. I was expecting BNL to drop to 4A with Seymour taking their place in Sectional 16 then Cathedral being slotted into the Sectional 14 opening. Potential Cathedral-New Pal Sectional game.

 

I thought the same.  Looks like they just slotted Cathedral in with their old sectional opponents Decatur Central and Plainfield.

I forgot to account for 5A not being capped at 32 teams. I thought BNL would head to 4A with Cathedral moving up. 

Not bumping them down created the least amount of change possible to 5A sectionals.

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

It’s worth noting - getting back to the actual topic of this thread - that Cathedral regularly punches above its weight class all season long. What’s New Pal’s conference record in the last 6 seasons. I think they.ve lost 2 games at most during that time. Who is.going after “easy” trophies?

Didn’t we cover this? As I’ve already noted, they can’t change their conference. It is a great fit for every other sport. So they’ve beefed up their non-conference. 

As I’ve already said, Cathedral plays a fantastic schedule. Probably just as tough as a 6A MIC schedule. Surely you understand that is easier to do as an independent??

5 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Get a better one.

I love that your argument has fallen apart so badly you are only left with semantics and my choice of dictionary.

A parochial school is a private primary or secondary school affiliated with a religious organization, and whose curriculum includes general religious education in addition to secular subjects, such as science, mathematics and language arts. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochial_school

Got one, thanks!

8 minutes ago, Bobref said:

The numbers don’t lie.

Your anti-private - Cathedral is a private school, not parochial - bias is showing. The IHSAA’s “success factor” treats publics and privates alike. You should, too.

I am.  Cathedral and New Palestine are both 4A by enrollment.  If New Palestine had scored two points in the last cycle, I would also feel like they should remain in 5A.  They've shown they can compete there.  So has Cathedral.

As for telling me that I should feel the same way the IHSAA does, that's laughable.  I disagree much about how the IHSAA handles itself, including this disaster of enforcing a rule change at the end of the cycle to some sports and not others.  Ridiculous.  

You also need to look up the definition of parochial.

2 hours ago, Robert said:

Didn't Mishawaka elect to play up?  Am I misunderstanding the parameters?

Mishawaka was in 5A and elected to stay, when they could have dropped to 4A.

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

I’m not suggesting that Cathedral should or should not elect to play up. Only that there are comparable situations. New Pal’s record over the past 6 years - a time span of several cycles of kids - strongly suggesting 5A is no longer competitive for them. The results are what matters, not how many kids they have out, or potential D-1s, or anything else. They could elect to play up. They haven’t. The only explanation is they like competing at that level.  If Cathedral should be condemned for not electing to play up when they are clearly better than their class competition, New Pal should suffer the same fate.

And you are missing the difference between a parochial school vs a public school that operate under totally different circumstance.

And how is 5A not competive for them? They failed to win a sectional half the time they have been in 5A?

5 hours ago, Bobref said:

Wrong on both counts. Scecina or Ritter, can’t remember which, played up for several seasons before the “success factor.” Cathedral is routinely castigated for not electing to “play up.” Heck, that’s what you’re doing! I just think it ought to work both ways. New Pal’s conference won’t change, but their tournament schedule would, if they elect to play up, maybe they won’t go 20-4 in the tournament, like they have in the past 6 seasons. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If you criticize Cathedral for not electing to “play up,” the same criticism applies to New Pal.

No opinion. Don’t care.

Wrong.

Again, I clarified that I was referring to the Tournament Success Factor Era. Only one school has elected to not move down when they had the chance.  No one has elected to play up.  New Palestine has played in 5A for four years (not six) due to TSF, and will for at least two more.  In their four years in 5A, they have lost a state championship, won a state championship, and lost in their sectional twice.  As a public school with a enrollment less than 1200, that puts them in the middle third of 4A football.  If they were eligible to move down, I would advocate that they stay up, if they've been competitive in that arena.  But tournament success factor takes care of that. 

Cathedral operates under a different set of rules than a public school.  New Palestines roster in 2019 had 53 kids.  Cathedral had over 90.  Their schedule suggests they belong in a higher class.  If you can't see that, not sure that I can help you or your sauce.  I'm glad to see Cathedral stay in 5A for this cycle.  It's the minimum for where they belong in the tournament.

1 minute ago, TransplantedPanther said:

Valpo was 6A because of enrollment, not due to TSF. So, with Snider remaining up due to points accrued, Valpo would be the first team to drop to 5A because they are the smallest 6A school by enrollment, but not the smallest in 6A. (Columbus East moves up due to TSF, and now Snider remains up due to TSF.)

Correct.  And I get it.  It's just interesting that Valpo actually has same number of TSF points as FWS.  But they will be the one moving down.

3 minutes ago, psaboy said:

OK, I guess that makes sense? Was really hoping for Snider vs New Pal rematch in Indy this November. Implying that Snider got past Dwenger in Sectional.

that would be fun!

who know what will happen with IHSAA...

2 minutes ago, psaboy said:

I think Valpo is bigger than Snider, so I'm not quite understanding why snider stays with lower enrollment number and same points earned. 

Because Snider doesn't have a choice, as they were bumped up and forced to remain due to TSF.  Again, I don't think that applies to teams already in 6A due to enrollment numbers.

But I think you have it right.  Valpo will move to 5A in 2019 (although they also have enough TSF points to remain in 6A, which is interesting).  Consolidated Elkhart will move to 6A in 2020.  Which will kick Zionsville to 5A in 2020.

Bedford North Lawrence will drop to 4A and Cathedral will move to 5A.

5 minutes ago, psaboy said:

Why would Valpo move down to 5A?? They had just as many success points as Snider did I believe??

As far as I know, Tournament Success Factor points have no bearing in the top class. They will move down strictly on enrollment numbers. They would be the smallest non-TSF in 6A. If FW Snider stays in 6A, that bumps Valpo down. 6A is capped at 32 teams. Although your point is valid....

6 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

That probably pushes Valpo down to 5a    

and the consolidated Elkhart school moves up in a year? and Zionsville moves down?

To me, you apply the new rule going forward, after this two year cycle concluded.  Or you apply it to all teams as this cycle concludes (which doesn't make much sense to me).  What you can't do, is what they did, and apply it to some and not others.  

21 hours ago, Major said:

In the early 2000’s Ritter or Scecina elected to play “up” in 2A with 1A enrollment. That caused Seeger to be bumped down to 1A where they were a state champion and state runner up back to back years. 

Sorry, I was talking about in the Tournament Success Factor Era.