Personal Foul penalty (with re-kick) against Kicking team on Onside Kick

[slice60]

The Kicking Team (Team K) fooled the Receiving Team (Team R) & a bunch of us in the stands with a surprise Onside Kick late in the 3rd Qtr. No one in my group got a good look at what exactly happened so I'm taking a guess based on how the penalty was enforced.

The kicker dribbled the ball straight ahead, Team K recovered & actually advanced the recovery inside Team R's 30 (though I do not believe Team K is allowed to advance the ball on an Onside Kick). The official lined up on the 50yd line threw a flag at the moment Team K recovered the ball. Post-play, the crew huddled for a bit before the head ref signaled Personal Foul on Team K-- 15 yards marched off & Team K had to re-kick from the 25.

My best guess is that a Team K player(s) made illegal contact with a Team R player who was attempting to recover the ball before the ball had travelled 10 yards.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but if the kickoff has advanced 10+ yards on the ground, not only can Team K recover the ball but Team K players are allowed to make contact with Team R players to keep Team R from recovering the ball.

[Bobref]

Team K players are prohibited from blocking imtil the ball has gone past R’s free kick line (10 yds) and been grounded. Those 2 requirements can be satisfied in any order. K is also free to make contact if R initiates contact first on K’s side of R’s free kick line, or if R touches the kick. The foul is for an illegal block.The penalty is 10 yds., though, not 15, for K initiating contact early. However, if the contact could also be considered targeting or a blindside block, both are 15 yd. penalties.

Could this possibly be the play you’re talking about? 
https://url.us.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/69CACkRDl5svXDGI2fOCGvV2K?domain=hudl.com

Edited September 14, 2024 by Bobref

[slice60]

 

My buddy sent me the video. It is a bit grainy but I think the ball bounced off of R player before any contact was made by K players.

I don't see any targeting or illegal hit-- if there is a loose ball, any player can make contact with an opponent. Do you agree?

Obviously my initial guess/description was wrong-- sorry about my initial miscommunication.

[slice60]

I was unable to view the video link you sent. So I apologize if it's the same video I posted.

[Bobref]

10 minutes ago, slice60 said:

I was unable to view the video link you sent. So I apologize if it's the same video I posted.

It isn’t the same one, but similar. Note that the kicking team can never advance a recovered free kick.

Edited September 14, 2024 by Bobref

[slice60]

4 minutes ago, Bobref said:

It isn’t the same one, but similar. Note that the kicking team can never advance a recovered free kick.

True. But advancing the ball is not a Personal Foul penalty, right? Refs should have blown the play dead as soon as K recovered the ball, right?

It's a grainy video but do you see a Personal Foul committed by K on this play?

[Bobref]

59 minutes ago, slice60 said:

True. But advancing the ball is not a Personal Foul penalty, right? Refs should have blown the play dead as soon as K recovered the ball, right?

It's a grainy video but do you see a Personal Foul committed by K on this play?

Yes, the ball is dead when K possesses it. I couldn’t see the PF. I’m sitting in a palapa on the beach in the Dominican Republic right now, and the glare of the sun off the Caribbean makes it hard to make out much detail. Truth. 😂🦜🌴🧉