LSU's AD Fired

[Bash Riprock]

8 hours ago, Sparty said:

I would imagine public money and how it is spent (not speaking of the buy out as a previous poster mentioned potentially a single donor will pay the buy out) has A LOT to do with what he was elected to to do.  

Perhaps you are right.

If that is truly the case, then why aren't governors all over the country getting involved with all coaching decisions at ALL public universities in their states?

The Gov of LA is getting involved with one school...LSU.  Is it because he's a fan?  Is it because the school is so significant in his state that he sees a political advantage?  My guess it has less to do with money, and he will be pushing for a coach that isn't cheap.  My guess its about getting the person he agrees with regardless of the cost.  But hey, just my opinion.

Reading this article, it does look like historically, Louisiana governors have been pretty involved with LSU football.  Perhaps this says more about Louisiana and its biggest institution.  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/louisiana-gov-jeff-landrys-takes-down-ad-scott-woodward-what-comes-next-lsu/

 

[Sparty]

22 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Perhaps you are right.

If that is truly the case, then why aren't governors all over the country getting involved with all coaching decisions at ALL public universities in their states?

The Gov of LA is getting involved with one school...LSU.  Is it because he's a fan?  Is it because the school is so significant in his state that he sees a political advantage?  My guess it has less to do with money, and he will be pushing for a coach that isn't cheap.  My guess its about getting the person he agrees with regardless of the cost.  But hey, just my opinion.

Reading this article, it does look like historically, Louisiana governors have been pretty involved with LSU football.  Perhaps this says more about Louisiana and its biggest institution.  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/louisiana-gov-jeff-landrys-takes-down-ad-scott-woodward-what-comes-next-lsu/

 

To answer your first question, I have no idea. I’m just speaking of this case.  

[Footballking16]

2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Perhaps you are right.

If that is truly the case, then why aren't governors all over the country getting involved with all coaching decisions at ALL public universities in their states?

The Gov of LA is getting involved with one school...LSU.  Is it because he's a fan?  Is it because the school is so significant in his state that he sees a political advantage?  My guess it has less to do with money, and he will be pushing for a coach that isn't cheap.  My guess its about getting the person he agrees with regardless of the cost.  But hey, just my opinion.

Reading this article, it does look like historically, Louisiana governors have been pretty involved with LSU football.  Perhaps this says more about Louisiana and its biggest institution.  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/louisiana-gov-jeff-landrys-takes-down-ad-scott-woodward-what-comes-next-lsu/

 

LSU currently doesn't have an acting university president, that's why the Governor is particularly involved. 

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

LSU currently doesn't have an acting university president, that's why the Governor is particularly involved. 

LSU is in a sad state of affairs if the governor is making the decisions. What's in this guy's background that qualifies him to make athletic decisions on behalf of a university? Lmao.

[Bash Riprock]

2 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

LSU currently doesn't have an acting university president, that's why the Governor is particularly involved. 

I guess...make some sense.  Does the University not have a Board of Trustees that a Governor would be working with/through?

5 hours ago, Sparty said:

To answer your first question, I have no idea. I’m just speaking of this case.  

Im following you....looks like what FB16 shared, that may be the reason he is more involved.

[Footballking16]

2 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

LSU is in a sad state of affairs if the governor is making the decisions. What's in this guy's background that qualifies him to make athletic decisions on behalf of a university? Lmao.

I think it's the monetary and financial decisions that are driving his involvement. 

[23andCounting]

15 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I think it's the monetary and financial decisions that are driving his involvement. 

Is it though? I didn't hear the entire press conference, but what I did hear, he seems to really like football. 

[Footballking16]

11 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Is it though? I didn't hear the entire press conference, but what I did hear, he seems to really like football. 

I'm sure he does like football, but when there's no acting university president and a state-funded public university is not only going pay a coach $53 million to make a coach go away, but then commit another $80-90 million to his replacement, the Governor is bound to get involved especially at the expense of taxpayer dollars. 

[23andCounting]

16 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I'm sure he does like football, but when there's no acting university president and a state-funded public university is not only going pay a coach $53 million to make a coach go away, but then commit another $80-90 million to his replacement, the Governor is bound to get involved especially at the expense of taxpayer dollars. 

And how is his hire going to turn out any different? Woodward had a history of hiring good coaches who got the job done in other sports. Everyone is bent out of shape over the football program. Woodward didn't do anything anyone else from the State of Louisiana wouldn't have done. I didn't see anyone griping when when he stole Kelly away from Notre Dame four years ago. Every school in the SEC somehow thinks their school is entitled to a coach who is going to win them the title. At the end of the the day, there can only be one. And the trend is the Big Ten. So let the SEC continue to fire coaches every four years to try to secure that "one." DeBoer will be next.

[Footballking16]

4 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

And how is his hire going to turn out any different? Woodward had a history of hiring good coaches who got the job done in other sports. Everyone is bent out of shape over the football program. Woodward didn't do anything anyone else from the State of Louisiana wouldn't have done. I didn't see anyone griping when when he stole Kelly away from Notre Dame four years ago. Every school in the SEC somehow thinks their school is entitled to a coach who is going to win them the title. At the end of the the day, there can only be one. And the trend is the Big Ten. So let the SEC continue to fire coaches every four years to try to secure that "one." DeBoer will be next.

I'm not sure I follow? I don't think the Governor believes he can do a better job than an actual AD in identifying a talented coach. Rather, the premise of his rant was the financial irresponsibility of AD Woodward who fully guaranteed a $75million to a coach that he later fired 3.5 years later at the expense of Louisiana taxpayer dollars. I'd be shocked if the LA Governor actually hires the next coach. I do believe he will have a say in the written language of the contract however.

[23andCounting]

8 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I'm not sure I follow? I don't think the Governor believes he can do a better job than an actual AD in identifying a talented coach. Rather, the premise of his rant was the financial irresponsibility of AD Woodward who fully guaranteed a $75million to a coach that he later fired 3.5 years later at the expense of Louisiana taxpayer dollars. I'd be shocked if the LA Governor actually hires the next coach. I do believe he will have a say in the written language of the contract however.

I get what you're saying, I think you just have to read between the lines. Pretty sure Woodward would have been ousted if he KEPT Kelly. I think the State of Louisiana needs to get a grip on reality. Many fought Kelly since the beginning since he was "from the north." This is a Louisiana thing, they've done it to themselves. 

[Footballking16]

22 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

I get what you're saying, I think you just have to read between the lines. Pretty sure Woodward would have been ousted if he KEPT Kelly. I think the State of Louisiana needs to get a grip on reality. Many fought Kelly since the beginning since he was "from the north." This is a Louisiana thing, they've done it to themselves. 

That's not what I took from his rant at all. In fact, if you watch the whole thing, the Governor sheds light on wanting to be the first university to offer incentive based contracts rather than fully guaranteeing near 9 figure contracts. I'm sure the Governor is a big fan of football who wants LSU to succeed as LSU athletics is a huge revenue generator for the state.

 

I don't think he personally cares who coaches LSU, rather not have to be called upon to bail out the athletic department again. He scorned Woodward multiple times for not living up to his fiduciary duty as AD. Woodward has hired the two college football coaches who have received the two largest buyouts in history: Jimbo Fischer while at A&M and now Kelly at LSU.  

[23andCounting]

7 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

That's not what I took from his rant at all. In fact, if you watch the whole thing, the Governor sheds light on wanting to be the first university to offer incentive based contracts rather than fully guaranteeing near 9 figure contracts. I'm sure the Governor is a big fan of football who wants LSU to succeed as LSU athletics is a huge revenue generator for the state.

 

I don't think he personally cares who coaches LSU, rather not have to be called upon to bail out the athletic department again. He scorned Woodward multiple times for not living up to his fiduciary duty as AD. Woodward has hired the two college football coaches who have received the two largest buyouts in history: Jimbo Fischer while at A&M and now Kelly at LSU.  

Who wouldn't have hired Fisher and Kelly at the time? Hindsight is 20/20. If you look at Woodward's overall hires during his time, he's done a pretty good job. This is all about football. You're basically playing the lottery when hiring a coach. Success at West Virginia doesn't equate to success at Michigan. Success at a mid-major doesn't equate to success at a Power 4. You're playing roulette when making these hires. Every AD in America, especially those in the "entitled" SEC, are one gamble away from losing their job. If you don't want to f*** yourself with a buyout, keep the guy you trusted to hire until the contract is up. Jump in and help make other hires within the program. Was it a Kelly thing or an offensive coordinator thing? Fire some lower end guys and right the ship. Kelly had a losing record one year and Notre Dame, then reeled off several 10 win season in a row. Shit happens, move on. "Work with me, not against me." 

[Footballking16]

6 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Who wouldn't have hired Fisher and Kelly at the time? Hindsight is 20/20. If you look at Woodward's overall hires during his time, he's done a pretty good job. This is all about football. You're basically playing the lottery when hiring a coach. Success at West Virginia doesn't equate to success at Michigan. Success at a mid-major doesn't equate to success at a Power 4. You're playing roulette when making these hires. Every AD in America, especially those in the "entitled" SEC, are one gamble away from losing their job. If you don't want to f*** yourself with a buyout, keep the guy you trusted to hire until the contract is up. Jump in and help make other hires within the program. Was it a Kelly thing or an offensive coordinator thing? Fire some lower end guys and right the ship. Kelly had a losing record one year and Notre Dame, then reeled off several 10 win season in a row. Shit happens, move on. "Work with me, not against me." 

I don't disagree with you are saying, but I do disagree that it was the Governor of Louisiana that had to meddle in the decision to fire Kelly. Woodward made the decision to fire Kelly and then the Governor had to get involved as there is no acting president to bailout the university for the buyout money. He's pissed because LSU is now out $53 million not because Brian Kelly didn't win enough football games. Big difference in my opinion.

[23andCounting]

28 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I don't disagree with you are saying, but I do disagree that it was the Governor of Louisiana that had to meddle in the decision to fire Kelly. Woodward made the decision to fire Kelly and then the Governor had to get involved as there is no acting president to bailout the university for the buyout money. He's pissed because LSU is now out $53 million not because Brian Kelly didn't win enough football games. Big difference in my opinion.

I'm sure Woodward was under pressure to fire Kelly. He would have had a mob at the front door of his home had he kept him. I think these universities jump the gun and I'm looking forward to seeing who LSU and Penn State hire and how that coach might be better than what they already had. This whole thing is turning into a clown Show. Early on in Kelly's career at ND, he took the Irish to the national title game. Early on at LSU, the took the Tigers to the SEC championship. A few years later Kelly had a year at ND that was way worse than this year at LSU. He followed it up with several 10 win seasons after making off season adjustments. That could have been LSU in my opinion. 

[Bash Riprock]

4 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

I think it's the monetary and financial decisions that are driving his involvement. 

Perhaps...and I realize he was not the LA governor in 2021....but Kelly signed a 10 year deal worth $95M at tha time.  I don't remember a governor then or for any other state approving football coaching hires.  Did Braun approve Cignetti's recent contract revision??

[Footballking16]

26 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Perhaps...and I realize he was not the LA governor in 2021....but Kelly signed a 10 year deal worth $95M at tha time.  I don't remember a governor then or for any other state approving football coaching hires.  Did Braun approve Cignetti's recent contract revision??

No, President Whitten did however. LSU should have a formal president (and new AD) by the time the next LSU coach is hired. 

[Bash Riprock]

18 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

No, President Whitten did however. LSU should have a formal president (and new AD) by the time the next LSU coach is hired. 

I can assume the college president approved the hire...as well as the Board of Trustees.  I do find it interesting that a governor passes right by the Board.  Typically, at a state institution, they are appointed by the governor and/or someone in the state legislature and own fiduciary responsibility.  In the case of LA, I can only assume the governor felt like he needed to help them.