BendNotBreak

17 hours ago, foxbat said:

What strikes me as odd is the number of safeties that these teams had ... and some cases two in a game by a team. 

My Theory:

Lcc has long had Safteyitis 

It's a disease...

afflicts certain programs

perhaps genetically related

I haven't been able to pinpoint the cause.. or isolate the symptoms... but I can recognize em when I c em an  accurately predict a reocuuance... n did so on the 1st big game with RC when RC won State. It held up till late in the 4th Q   RC 2 Lcc 0  Being a man of science,  I  was hopeful u could come up with a cure... when at Harrison but guess ur baffled as well... as its the other program I aware of that has an affliction ... its manifestations r actually worse... resulting in Fumbleitis ...  swear da God it is....  

5 minutes ago, BendNotBreak said:

Do u hav more detail on those years? ... records ect.. most know of the WL series... SW seems... well forgotten by alota peeps... curious now I am...

Did they have common opponents?

1 hour ago, Tippy said:

LCC played Southwestern every year from 1959-1974.  It was a rivalry game.  Playing SW back then is just like LCC playing McC today.  LCC went 12-4 against SW during those years.  It was the last game of the season from 1968-1974.  In 1969 both teams were 9-0 and LCC beat SW 26-6 that year.

Do u hav more detail on those years? ... records ect.. most know of the WL series... SW seems... well forgotten by alota peeps... curious now I am...

Gotcha... All very interesting..  thx! 

I do think ther was a rivalry w SW.. Lcc n SW/Wainwright/McC all on the South side of Laf.. carried over w McC for a couple yrs..  the Mavs were very good.. I do recall Lcc went 2-0 vrs some very very good Mav teams at the start of that series..  it was important to beat SW... no matter what they called themselves... LoL

On 12/2/2023 at 9:55 PM, Tippy said:

No, they only used the cluster system in 1983 and 1984.  Most people didn't know that LCC was very close to being moved up a class in 1980.

Tippy... im confused... enrollment was dropping... but they were close to being moved up to 2A by enrollment? How is that??

10 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said:

The jr. high played SW but not when they were a high school. I believe the late Coach Hummer went to SW. Bob Griese was his roommate at Purdue 

Rings a bell... so happens I knew the Mgr of Tarkington Hall... caught a pass from Mike Phipps in the street in front of my house one spring.... think he musta lobbed it at me... LoL

Just now, Donnie Baker said:

The jr. high played SW but not when they were a high school. I believe the late Coach Hummer went to SW. Bob Griese was his roommate at Purdue 

Werent they were in Tarkington Hall???  Or was that Phipps?  Oh my!!  LoL

Tippy wasn't there a bit of a rivalry between Southwestern n Lcc??  Wernt they the last game of the season for a few years in the 60s 70s?

13 hours ago, Tippy said:

LCC went from about 500 students in 1970 to 200 in 1990.  In 1978 LCC had 392 students and in 1992 they had 207 students.  That is why LCC withdrew from the Hoosier Conference in 1992.  I think the LCC JH opened about 1987.  That is probably when St. Mary's went to K-3 and St. Boniface 4-6.

But in the 80s u say they were almost 2A by enrollment?????

34 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said:

Fountain Centrals beat the Mavs in 1980

Dang Donnie... didn't know FC ever ventured to Tippy. Co  in da reg season... did dey play Sothwestern or Wainwright before the consolidation? Seems Southwestern was always 10-0  9-1 ish  n would get their season ruined by Lcc a few times.. Wainwright was always the Bball arm of McC da way I member it....

1 hour ago, Tippy said:

That might have been McCutcheon's best team ever.  It was their 2nd year of football.  LCC beat that McCutcheon team 14-12

Tuff break for the Mavs.. 1st and 10 with less than 3min ta go... and fumbled the snap at their own 2 yrd line... Mavs were one of those 3 headed monster type teams, running the Michigan option...

1 hour ago, Tippy said:

Kevin O'Shea was the QB on that 1982 McCutcheon team.  McCutcheon beat LCC 47-13 that year.  Franklin Central beat McCutcheon 40-13 in the finals, but FC only beat Crawfordsville 9-6 in the Sectional playoff game in 1982.

C'ville  0-0-6-0

FC       0-3-6-0

Upon going to the archives... I found this.. u decide... McC fumbled the snap in the shadow of their own goal post with less than 3 min to go...

MM defeated Jasper 34-7 the following week for the 2A Title

1 hour ago, Tippy said:

Yes, they did!  They didn't want to play LCC and only get 1 point.

Oh My... so HC member McCutchen made the playoffs in 82.. n got blasted by Franklin in the finals... some say that was there best team ever..... it was their 76 team.... jmho. hmmmm

So.. the HC gamed the system getting an easy 2pts for adding a winless Lcc in 81 an 82... oh my

59 minutes ago, Tippy said:

Miss Anthrop would probably give me an F for lack of clarity.

Fact:  LCC was in 2A in 1981 and 1982.  In 1975 the Hoosier conference wanted LCC to move up to 2A so the teams that beat LCC would get 2 points instead of 1 playoff point.  The other teams in the Hoosier were all in 2A.  LCC said no and they left the conference.  In 1980 LCC had a new coach and wanted back in a conference.  The Hoosier Conference said they would only let LCC back in if they moved up to 2A.  LCC said ok and they moved up to 2A.  When the Cluster System went in effect in 1983, LCC went back down to 1A.

Lcc petioned up to 2A for 81 n 82 Really??   I only heard of MM and Scenia doing that on their own... hmmm.. nice catch!

Tippy.. u should clear that up if ur gonna do a history thread. Miss Anthrop would not approve.. lol.  It would b a surprise to learn that Lcc was ever anything other than class A... i believe enrollment was in decline.. n headed for the chopping block...  Mish Marion is special.. I beleve they petioned all the way up to 3A from 1A.. perhaps they fell back in line with their enrollment when 4A was introduced??

18 hours ago, Tippy said:

The biggest inequity before 1983 was that an unbeaten team could miss the playoffs because of the format for selecting district champions.  It was based on a point system with more points awarded for beating schools in higher enrollment classes.

Under the Cluster System, each school was required to play every school in its cluster- and only those games would count toward qualifying for the playoffs.  Thus if a team beat every opponent in its cluster, it automatically got into the playoffs.  You could go 4-6 and still get in the playoffs.  LCC didn't have to worry about the Cluster System because they didn't beat anybody in 1983 and 1984.

Luers can go 4-6 and win State... Before 83... was more like an early attempt at using a SAG type solution to qualify for the tourney that incorporated the SOS factor into the selection process... Using Poll Rank and Geography to determine hm field. Had the ISHAA expanded the tourney then to include half of the field, it might be still in use today... with the yearly sounding of the trumpets to then seed it.... Or, you could just say.. no worries ur All IN ...

WoW... IDK ther was film of the ISHAA  meeting wher the SFactor was adopted!!!  

48 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Appreciate it!

Why am I picturing Sheldon Cooper at his chalkboard attempting to solve String Theory??  Darn ole Intangibles.. 😄

1 hour ago, JQWL said:

6A: 3.1% (Cathedral)

5A: 0%

4A: 9.4% (Memorial, Brebeuf, Roncalli, Culver Academy, Dwenger, SB St. Joe's)

3A: 6.3% (Guerin, Chatard, Mish. Marian, FW Concordia)

2A: 12.9% (Hammond Noll, Andrean, LCC, Luers, Mater Dei, Indy Scecina, Heritage Christian, Ritter)

1A: 6.9% (Park Tudor, Providence, Covenant, Lutheran) 

With Luthren replacing Luers... depending on the next alignment... 2A North looks like Andrean vrs everyone else... hmmm

Hamilton Heights and Westfield may not be a good fit for Sheridan... but at least they aren't.. ..."Them People"...  I gotta go....

12 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Buddy of mine from the '83 team was telling me that the vast majority of the LCC players around that time were getting their first looks at football around the time they were 7th grade and some were getting it in high school.  There was a "dads' league" formed after discussions about that '83 season that I believe was founded by LCC, West Lafayette, and I think that McCutcheon and Harrison might have been in that group too ... I think there were four founders and, at that timing, those four teams all competed in the Hoosier Conference.  That then grew into the Little Gridiron League.

Gotcha... yes... Lcc bein so small struggled getting numbers... and like all of 1A just a few injuries killed alotta their  teams... Lil GridIron def saved FB from bein relegated to grade school recess .... . being its Indiana.. School sponsored Basketball teams were formed in 5th grade back then ...  the younger ones were playing it in their cribs... 😆

10 hours ago, foxbat said:

Really, only up until recently, LCC's been a feast-or-famine kind of team when it comes to post season ... although folks have always thought of them as dominant since inception.  Looking at Harrell's, from 1976, in the run-up to the 4-peats which kind of kicked off the "modern history" of LCC mythos, LCC's post-season was:

• 1976 - State champ
• 1989 - Sectional champ
• 1999 - State champ
• 2005 - Sectional champ

I ran some back-of-the-napkin calculations and, prior to the 1983 season, LCC was sporting just under a 54% win-rate.  The win-rate since the first youth program kids hit their senior year has been a tad over 71%.  Probably of greater interest to the LCC faithful, is that LCC's post-season has been less feast-or-famine.  Since the end of the four-peats, 2009-2012, LCC's post season has been:

• 2014 - 2A Regional champ
• 2015 - 1A State champ
• 2016 - 1A Sectional champ
• 2019 - 1A State champ
• 2020 - 1A Regional champ
• 2021 - 2A Sectional champ
• 2022 - 2A Sectional champ
• 2023 - 2A Regional champ

Tippy... R u asserting that there was no youth program before 85 or so?  Coach LaRocca won a State Title without the support of countless hours of those dedicated to a youth program? ... If your saying that Lcc's success has been directly tied to the Strength of it's youth program... id agree... jus sayin....

21 hours ago, foxbat said:

That 1983 team is important despite going 0-10.  It was the impetus for the development of the youth program. 

 

U must mean... Re-developement of the youth program...