scarab527

I agree, but the rest of the conference loses a lot as well, especially the teams with the best chance of beating Merrillville (Valpo, MC). Honestly, CP might be their biggest threat to the DAC title this year. We'll see what happens. Like you said, I would doubt the Pirates will be anywhere near as dominant as they were last year.

23 points vs 29 points isn’t really anything to write home about. It’s hard for me to buy into Carroll when they lost to a 2A team. Merrillville completely ran over everyone they played last year until Westfield. The Sagarin Ratings had Merrillville about a 2 touchdown favorite on a neutral field, I think that’s a pretty accurate prediction for a hypothetical game between the two.

“17 D1 players”

Give me New Pal to win it all. East Central deserves a mention too. 4A North doesn’t matter as it’ll be another blowout at Lucas Oil.

I don’t wanna argue about this because there’s no definitive way of knowing, but having seen both teams play, I think saying that would’ve been a pick ‘em game is just not accurate. I think the Pirates were far and away the best team outside of the Indy metro area last year, which shows just how far ahead Indy is of the competition.

You should look that up yourself. I’ve provided plenty of evidence. You’ve been talking out of your behind and backtracking, you knob.

West Side is what I heard. I know a couple of their guys went over there after the old coach left for Hobart.

Read the thread again. You’ve been making claims that the same 2-3 teams have kept winning every year. I showed you that wasn’t the case. Then you said the same 4-5 teams. Even though 3A/4A have each been won by 7 different teams in 9 years. 3A had 11 different teams appear in a title game and 4A had 14. Previous 9 years before SF 3A had 5 different winners (4 for Chatard) and 10 different teams appearing. 4A had 4 different winners (5 for Cathedral, 2 for Reitz) and 9 different teams appearing. That’s pretty straightforward evidence that it’s balanced things out a bit. No one ever said it was going to balance every team in the state out. That would impossible. It probably needs tweaking. But in the aggregate it’s accomplishing what it set out to do, which was competitive balance. I know you’re a cathedral guy, but winning 4A every year until eternity would’ve gotten old at some point.

Look through the thread again, I refuted your points as you made them, had you backtracking and everything. Judging by your debate skills I’d be shocked if you even have a complete grasp on the English language, let alone another…

I showed you all the evidence you need. I’ve seen you refuse to accept losing an argument on other threads. I hope you overcome your desperate need to be right in the face of all information provided.

You went from the same 2-3 teams winning every year to the same 4-5 teams winning every year in a couple posts. Keep backtracking.

3A and 4A have had 7 different winners since the SF lol. I don't know how you can get that from the actual state championship results but sure.

When has that happened?

During the SF, has any team replicated the sustained dominance of LCC, Luers, Chatard, and Cathedral all had simultaneously in the immediate years prior to the SF's implementation? All those teams have had success, but not nearly the complete domination they had been having. Out of those teams, only Cathedral has moved into a higher class than they had been previously and won state. I think the proof is in the pudding.

Of course there is. Just said it's not perfect. But I'm guessing you don't remember how it was before the success factor was implemented. You said name one thing the IHSAA has done to promote competitive balance, and I did. Don't know why you're getting so salty about it lol.

You just answered your own question. I still think you don't understand what competitive balance means. There's always gonna be just a handful of teams that can realistically win a state title. The SF is to prevent bull in a china shop situations where one team is clearly better than all the rest in its class. That makes things pretty boring. 5A will be a lot more interesting this year due to the success factor, for example. Since it's implementation, it's made many classes in many years more interesting than they otherwise would've been.

Most of the teams in that 350+ are irrelevant. You only have to move around a few to see a noticeable difference. SF isn't perfect but I think it has at least partially accomplished its goal (which I would say is competitive balance) and I believe most coaches around the state would agree.

Improving competitive balance doesn't mean making every program equal, thought that was obvious.

The success factor?

DB Philip Roche who has Big 10 offers is the other marquee guy. They are high on the QB who got injured last year as well but the jury is still out on him without much varsity experience. Other than that I know that they've got some new transfers so we'll see how those kids are. I agree, honestly the whole class is wide open and it'll be interesting to see who's the last team standing.

The more you know. Always thought it was the cluster until 1985. Before my time.

They won a state title during the cluster system in the 70s, but not since the current tournament format has been implemented. One of the few teams statewide with a state title but no semistates. Either way, I think a DAC or SAC team wins 5A this year.

All of the above. Social Media.

In defense of those people, the Pirates have won 3 straight 6A regionals. I think it is fair to assume they'll be a force moving down to a class that is not nearly as good. But as I said, they are certainly not a lock, and from what I've been seeing, it seems like the Ville is getting a little cocky again, which hasn't done them any favors when push comes to shove these past two years...

You're ruthless