scarab527

17 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

First, my company is neither imaginary nor “podunk” - though, obviously, all things are relative.  But I really don’t care whether you believe that or not.  It’s of no consequence.

Second, if you assert simply that nepotism exists in various forms, that’s obviously true - but hardly indicative of employers as some kind of quantifiable rule giving favor to alums of private high schools.  You mention unions and in my experience skilled-trade unions are particularly ripe for nepotism....which typically involves legacy applicants irrespective of where they went to school.

Third, you whiffed again on your empirical evidence.  The study you linked had to do with a relationship between income and where somebody went to high school, not whether employers favor job applicants who went to private schools.  Interestingly, that study found a relational link for females but not so much for males.  It touches on various explanations, all of which seem logical but none of which being that employers leap down to the bottom of resumes to see where an applicant went to high school.

Are there any studies you came across actually showing what you claimed?  Because both of the ones you linked to show something else - and that’s a waste of both of our time.

You don’t think nepotism happens at places other than unions? That’s funny. And is nepotism not just an overestimation of someone’s human capital, in this case based on where they went to school? You don’t think that happens at plenty other places? And the study found a 20% increase in female career earnings, that’s not significant? It also found a positive relationship among male earnings and private high school, just not as significant as females. Career earning power is a direct indication of how companies view you in terms of human capital. If you don’t think that counts as evidence, you’re the one wasting people’s time, but you’ve been doing this the whole time so it’s not surprising. The study also lists other studies which have shown positive relationships between career earnings and private high school. You haven’t understood my arguments this entire time which is funny. You keep saying my claim was that employers “leap down” to private high school graduates, which is obviously true in certain cases like I just mentioned and which you had no response. You’ve been arguing with everyone on this thread that PPs don’t have obvious advantages and honestly it’s looking very embarrassing and desperate on your part. Maybe when you pull your head out of the sand we can have a real conversation about this but I have a feeling that isn’t going to happen any time soon. Good day sir. 

50 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

Wait, you say that employers target graduates of private high schools, presumably at the exclusion of graduates of public high schools, and then give me a link about college admissions?

You’re not very good at this.

No, clearly you’re not very good at this. It seems you have a hard time following arguments. But if you want some anecdotal evidence, though, and more evidence than the scant amount you’ve asserted about what is likely your imaginary company, here in the Region, many of the Unions are filled with Andrean alumni. So much so, that in many of them, you can get your foot in the door just by being an alum yourself. I’ve heard similar stories about LCC and Eli Lilly. When I went to Andrean, local employers would literally come and recruit seniors every year to come work for them, and would always talk about how they preferred us to the public schools kids. These stories are really a microcosm of the superior job-networking you, in general, get at a private school compared to a public school, because of better-connected guidance counselors and more opportunities to harness these connections due to a smaller enrollment. Couple this with the fact that more and more jobs require a college degree, which a private high school education puts a person in a better position to obtain than their public school counterpart, and all the advantages a private school has over the average public school in terms of “human capital” are clear. The article I linked had all of this information, but I shouldn’t have expected you to read it anyway. But here’s another article that finds positive relationships between private high school education and career earnings, if I haven’t been clear enough for you. Hopefully you’ll actually read this one, but I doubt it. 

http://ftp.iza.org/dp10135.pdf

3 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

Well, first, my anecdotal evidence is better than your zero evidence.  You’re the one who made the unsupported assertion (and called it indisputable fact, to boot), not me.  I simply asked you to support it - which you didn’t (and probably couldn’t if you tried).

Second, comparing this to Ivy League vs Ivy Tech is absurd on its face.  I think the teachers at Memorial would find it humorous that you compared them to the faculty at Yale...and the teachers at North would be insulted that you comparatively  likened them in this stupid analogy to instructors at Ivy Tech.

Lol the point I was making clearly flew miles over your head. I wasn’t comparing the teachers at all and the fact you think I was is honestly hilarious. The comparison was how companies view the graduates of each in terms of their human capital. Educational history is clearly taken into account when companies are recruiting. High school education matters for college recruiting. And college matters for how much human capital companies view you as having. Go look up starting salaries out of college for Ivy leagues vs Public colleges if you really need evidence of this indisputable fact. Here’s an article from the official college admissions website about how sending your kids to private school increase their chances of getting into an elite college, which as just mentioned, increases their human capital in the job market. 

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/private-vs-public-hs/

So yes, I have plenty of evidence and could easily provide more, but I’m sure you still wouldn’t get my argument anyway. And you still only can have your own weak anecdotal evidence of whatever podunk company that you run. 

5 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

Do you have any documented evidence of this indisputable fact?

I’m an employer with more than a couple employees.  And it’s never even occurred to me to target employees by their high school alma mater.

The thought is actually absurd.  “Sorry sir, we don’t hire Reitz graduates here.  If only you’d have gone to Mater Dei.”

Lol. Your anecdotal evidence is cute. If you don’t think companies recruit based on education history, I don’t know what to tell you. Why do you think kids go to Ivy League schools instead of Ivy Tech. Works the same way with high schools. To try to deny this is either painfully ignorant, or a rather pathetic attempt at trying to deny the obvious. 

6 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

No it doesn’t work that way at all.  If you and another guy are competing in, say, sales positions, your boss isn’t going to give you a lower quota because you come from a poor neighborhood or went to a public school and the other guy didn’t.  You can’t cite that as a reason you aren’t on a level playing field with that guy.

But you’re wanting to teach our kids that they should be able to.  It’s an awful lesson to teach them — that they and their classmates are (on average, of course) lesser “human capital” than kids whose parents could and did pay for their education.

Its demeaning, frankly.

I mean, in terms of recruiting for companies, many companies specifically target prospective employees that went to private high schools, or at least public high schools in wealthy districts. So in this way, some companies clearly see a difference in the “human capital” of people depending on the school they went to. This is an indisputable fact. 

14 minutes ago, Gipper said:

This game is my biggest question mark.  Although they absolutely dominated Lafayette Jeff (who played a relatively weak schedule), the game with Elkhart (whose schedule was a little tougher) was a nail-biter.  Now comes Westfield whose schedule was probably even tougher.

Westfield also just routed what was likely the SAC’s best team, Homestead. As a huge region homer I’d love to see the Pirates pull this one out but I highly doubt they can. 

5 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

scarab

What do you mean John Harrell predicts Merrillville-Westfield at 38-17. ?   

http://scoreboard.homestead.com/football/capsFri.htm#loaded

3 minutes ago, DT said:

The fact that Hobart and Marion are playing for the North semi state championship tells me that 4A is the weakest class in the state.  

Was actually just thinking about this today. I’d say 4A South has some very good teams this year, but the North is weaker than 3A North and arguably 2A North as well, as Marion lost by 3 TDs to an Eastbrook team that couldn’t make it out of a 2A sectional and Hobart lost by 11 to an Andrean team that only made it to regionals. Other posters have commented on how the SF “hollowed out” 4A, and this year, specifically in the North, that seems to be the case. 

30 minutes ago, region said:

Westfield @ Merrillville

Merrillville struggled to beat Elkhart. Gimme the Rocks.

Valpo @ Zionsville

Burbee is a beast RB for Valpo, but they’re probably too 1 dimensional to beat Zionsville. Hope I’m wrong. No matter who wins, they’re sacrificial lambs for Cathedral.

Marion @ Hobart

Honestly, feel like the Region can very easily go 0-3 this Friday. Hobart was not overly impressive beating Lowell or Logan. Don’t get me wrong, I’m rooting for the Bricks and I’ll pick them to win, but I really would not be shocked to see the Giants playing at LOS. Hobart has to fight the demons of post-Coach Howell dissapointments and choking away last year’s semi-state loss to East Noble. It’d be cool to see this historically great program get back to the mountaintop.

Agree with a lot of what was said here. John Harrell predicts Merrillville-Westfield at 38-17. I think it’ll be closer than this, but I too think Westfield wins. Valpo’s defense has been their saving grace this season, if Zionsville can’t contain Jones and Dingman on the edges, Valpo may be able to ride Burbee to a grinding victory, like they have most of the season. But with Cathedral waiting, maybe it’s a better thing if they don’t win. As for Hobart, I still think they have to be favored this week, but you’re totally correct, a few weeks ago, I would’ve said Hobart was the favorite to represent 4A North at LOS. But these past two weeks, specifically the game against Lowell, have me doubting this team. Marion also seems to be rolling right now. Hobart will need to play much better this week. 

31 minutes ago, Spock said:

Or 1A. Word on the street is they had 376 students on count day.

Great, maybe they can actually win something in 1A. 

10 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Interesting that the first word in your post is “respectfully,” and then you go on in your zeal to call out the Andrean coaches and disrespect a very worthwhile opponent. Apparently, Pioneer’s players and coaches had little to do with the outcome, it was all just a colossal series of screwups by Andrean. I strongly doubt it.

Well seeing as you just admitted you didn’t watch the game, I should just disregard your comment altogether. But where did I disrespect Pioneer? They’re a great program and a great team, they played a great game, but apparently I took them more seriously than the Andrean coaching staff did. As for Andrean, other posters who actually watched the game have said similar comments to mine in other threads. Teams beat themselves, anyone that’s ever played a sport knows that, to try to deny that is laughable. And coaches should not be protected from receiving criticism, at least at programs that actually care about results. 

10 minutes ago, DE said:

I have watched Pioneer from afar, for years.

Our crew had one of Pioneer's games this year.

What I watched from afar, proved me correct.  Pioneer is disciplined.  They do not beat themselves.  They know exactly what to do on every single play and they do not panic.  They just play.

Year in and year out, Pioneer may not have "Kisers, Lewellans, Gregoriches", but their kids and coaches just seem to control what they can control, compete and let the chips fall where they may.

I know Andrean had a really good year, likely not good enough for their standards, but Pioneer had a lot to do with the outcome of this game. 

Good luck to Pioneer as you move on.

Congratulations to Andrean on your season.

Best wishes to all.

Respectfully, I disagree completely. The Lewellans are great players and carried their team last night. That being said, anyone watching that game could see that Andrean beat themselves way more than Pioneer beat them. Refusing to throw the ball on the outside when it was obvious that Pioneer was having a hard time covering, while instead running the ball directly into a 7-man box repeatedly has to be some of the worst play calling I’ve ever seen. The fake punt call was laughable. Horrible turnovers. One of the worst defensive game plans I’ve ever seen. They started moving the ball at will when they finally decided to start passing, only for our genius coach to call a double move into off double coverage when Pioneer was just trying to protect the end zone. Feel bad for the kids, even though they didn’t play their best, they were still in a position to win at the end, and their coaches squandered it. 

2 hours ago, DT said:

Disapointed to see Andrean lose   I felt they had the best chance to go all the way this year.  

Horrible coaching and sloppy play. One of the worst losses in Andrean history.

2 hours ago, LionKing said:

Congratulations to Pioneer.  They believed and showed up to do what they do.  The Lewellen's showed out and the other players did what they are drilled to do so the team can have success.

With that said, Andrean should be embarrassed.  From the game plan they employed from the start and the attitude they approached the game with.  No sense of urgency until it was too late.  If they play the whole game the way they did in the last 9 minutes; they win.  

As an Andrean fan and former player, I completely agree. Team played terribly and had a terrible game plan. Seemingly refusing to take advantage of outside matchups early, instead continuously running straight into a 7-man box. Offensive line play embarrassing. Horrible turnovers and penalties. Defense seemingly hadn’t watched a snap of Pioneer offensive film. To say that they didn’t deserve to win is an understatement. Worst part of this loss is that the team will not be anywhere near as good the next few years. Squandered the best team they’ve had in about 6 years, and most likely for another 6 years. Things won’t change at this program until the school hires an actual football coach and doesn’t just make some alumni who played football there and teaches biology the football coach because they don’t want to pay another person. Unfortunately with the nepotism and cheapness at this school I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s coach for life. They better hope that the relocation actually works out or I genuinely feel this will be the last time in a long time that Andrean is mentioned as a top team in the class they play in. End of rant but I’m disgusted. 

Pioneer 24 - Andrean 21. Congrats to the Panthers. 

Just now, GC42 said:

Pioneer 24

Andrean 8

4th Q

Yep, this one’s over. Skinner thoroughly outcoached, terrible offensive and defensive gameplan. 

1 minute ago, jets said:

Any live stream for this one?

Go to the ihsaa champions network and search for pioneer 

Andrean scores and converts the 2pt. 

Andrean - 8 

Pioneer - 8 

32 seconds to go in the half 

1 hour ago, Huge Football Fan said:

10/31/14 was terrible. It was freezing with 40-50 mph winds. Several games in the region were moved to Saturday. At merriville the goal post looked as if they were gonna blow over. Couldn’t throw or kick. It was a miserable night

I remember this night. Andrean was supposed to go to Mishawaka to play Marian. By noon, Coach Mason was calling Marian to get the game rescheduled. Marian was running the triple option at the time, and I think Mason knew the weather was favorable to them. The next day our QB threw about 5 TDs on a perfectly calm afternoon. 

The only time I could see this happening would be if the temp was so low frostbite was a legitimate concern. 

21 minutes ago, TheStatGuy said:

Is Walsh gonna play for Andrean? 

 

Did Robinson break his collarbone for Pioneer??

Walsh is playing. His absence has been for precautionary reasons.  

1 hour ago, Knight82 said:

Are they good enough to get a Regional title?

I’d be shocked if they beat Marian Friday night.

7 minutes ago, Indian72 said:

Their enrollment is dwindling through the past few years.  But they are looking at a new high school building in Crown Point at I-65

They have had administration issues that seem to be clearing up bu the cost is still a factor to many

Enrollment has dropped precipitously. When I graduated in 2015, there were 588 kids at the school, which was already a decrease from the numbers in the 600s just a few years prior. Now there’s barely over 400. Administration issues were definitely a factor, there were 3 different principles during my 4 years at the school, and there was another new principal the next year after I graduated. They’ve got an alumni and former teacher as principal now, however, and he seems to be in it for the long haul. The new building has been a source of great controversy for alumni for various reasons that I won’t get into now. With the uncertainty of the virus and the future of the economy, I’m not sure how smooth the building of the new school will go. And the same economic uncertainty also doesn’t bode well for an enrollment recovery. Also, Marquette High School in Michigan City started offering free bussing to kids in Porter county, which also cut into Andrean’s enrollment. I went to a catholic grade school in porter county, and me and most of my classmates went to Andean, but a lot of the people I went to school with’s younger siblings went to Marquette. Andrean’s enrollment problems look likely to continue.

42 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

Agreed. They’re just not hitting on all cylinders. They’ll need Burbee back to have any chance at advancing. I see Lockhart continues to be QB1. Did he beat out Grimes or is Grimes injured as well?

Grimes hasn’t played since week 1 against Penn, I’m not sure what the injury is exactly but I believe it’s something in the leg.

I think Valpo wins this one, but they’ve looked very vulnerable these last two weeks. Injuries and a disjointed season seem to have them off-balance. I doubt they’ll get by either Dwenger or Zionsville next week.