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On 5/1/2024 at 1:57 PM, WCGrad92 said:

37. (8): Christel House, Covenant Christian (Indpls), Heritage Christian, Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter, Indianapolis Lutheran, Indianapolis Scecina Memorial, Monrovia, Park Tudor

 

Monrovia the lone Public School in this Sectional, and we play 4 of them during the regular season.

Every public school in the state is in your corner. Go get'em!

5 hours ago, Muda69 said:

When the apocalypse comes we IT guys, and HAM radio operators, are going to be the ones to save the world.

That will be a sad day for you. In most apocalypse themed movies and books, all the grass is gone. Everything sports related will have to be done on one of @Muda69 most hated things on this Earth, dare I say it, ARTIFICIAL TURF!

2 hours ago, BTF said:

That's interesting. Not very often do you hear just Jefferson, it's Lafayette Jeff. Or Riley, it's South Bend Riley. Evansville Reitz. Indianapolis Ritter. I think when a city has more than one high school, it's common to label them with the city name in front. When there is one high school, it's just named after the ciy..............Warsaw, New Haven, Angola, ect. 

Kokomo has multiple high schools(Kokomo, Western, Northwestern, Taylor), but yet there is just one with the name Kokomo. It is interesting how some have the city name and some do not.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I still think they are an 8-12 team based on performance:

They lost to #7 Snider (if they were in 6A) by 3pts. Difference in the game was two pick 6's for Snider

They lost to #5 HSE by 14. Difference was two pick 6's by HSE. 

They beat #11 Warren Central by 4pts. 

They wasted #20 Homestead ("mid pack") by 21.

I think all being said, Warsaw's victory over Carroll was impressive. I would call Carrall "upper level caliber 6A". I'm defining "upper level" as top third. 

Isn't their QB going to Iowa?

Give me Warsaw in the North. Don't know enough about the South. Warsaw plays the type of football Merrillville wants nothing to do with. I don't care how many future hall of famers they have, I'm taking Warsaw all day!

26 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

FTFY. It's not that hard to spell, really.   

And the IHSAA putting those Indy area p/p's in that sectional is frankly stupid.

 

Probably shouldn't have even listed them in the first place. They weren't really on the level the other four schools were on.

18 minutes ago, jets said:

This is so disappointing on so many levels. Shame on the IHSAA for being so hesitant/resistant to change. So 38 other States can have some sort of seeding/qualification - but we can't seem to figure out a format that works??? Give me a break. 

And if you can seed the top 2, you can seed everyone

Good regular seasons need to be rewarded. 

First, I want to say I agree with you completely, seed them all. But we won't ever do that because if you seed them all you might as well just take that first week of the playoffs out. Just going to be a bunch of blowouts. Even the sectional of death this last year with Chatard, Guerin, Peru, Tippy, Mac would have only had one competitive game in it maybe. The rest still would have been blowouts. So if you have a bunch of blowouts no one will go to the game or say we just shouldn't have it. Which means less money the IHSAA makes, so I don't think we will ever see everyone seeded. I agree that we should, just probably won't ever get to see it happen unless we just end up having a qualifier.

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

 

That is a huge amount of money, don't you think?  Could buy a lot of textbooks with that.

 

Laptops*

No one uses textbooks anymore

And I'll side with you on how great playing on a nice natural field is in in August and September, and my buddies and I still talk about the fun games in the rain when the field was completely trashed, jerseys stained, and mud just about anywhere there's a crack. But...

You gotta face the facts. A turf field is better for all athletics at a school. In the long run, you definitely cut down on a lot of expenses outside of the field, not just maintaining it. Turf doesn't stain jerseys as much if at all. Don't have to buy new jerseys as often. It also doesn't limit you. I know a lot of schools don't have white pants because you can't keep them completely stain free on a natural field. You can on a turf field a little better(not saying they will stay perfect). I hope one day Rochester can get added to this list.

On 2/23/2024 at 8:27 AM, BTF said:

The way I'm reading it, Bob is correct. The best Notre Dame can do is #5. The system already needs to be reworked though. I'm on board with the Big 10, ACC, and the SEC getting a first round bye. Each of those conferences are going to produce a legitimate contender. But with Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Washington jumping ship to the SEC and Big 10, I'm struggling with the Pac 12 and Big 12 getting that fourth spot. I get it, the NCAA wants the conference championship to mean something. But the Big 12 and Pac 12 aren't what they once were.

Long story short? It's time for Notre Dame to make a move. The Big 10 makes the most sense. If Notre Dame wants their brand to stretch from coast to coast, the Big 10 will provide that and secure their annual game with USC. Keep Navy, ditch Stanford for Washington or Oregon. Replace Clemson with (cough cough) Maryland or Rutgers. Play one of those games on the road when hosting Navy that year. That way their brand on the East Coast remains. Notre Dame's only concern at this point is lack of brand in the Southeast. 

This last years playoff committee begs to differ!

2 hours ago, MacAttack53 said:

I think even PG4 would concede that! Now combo football/basketball/track/golf manager? Nobody will ever touch Phil in that regard...

Mike Otto "hold my beer"

38 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

If I’m reading correctly, with 32 in 6A and 1A, the ratio large to small within a class is pretty similar with the exception of 6A. As you state, there is not much you can do with 6A with Carmel being so large.

So why not do it? Makes too much sense.

Exactly, it makes too much sense. The IHSAA would never fall for a trick like that!

Flipped the tv on just in time to see the last period of that match. Very cool to see and congratulations to the young lady and all her hardwork. Still feel for the young man from Plymouth tho. Made history for all the wrong reasons.

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

Good point. Things are certainly different now than what they used to be. If I'm doing the math right, doesn't the risk for a player getting injured before the postseason go up approximately 10% by adding another game? Is it really worth it? 

Yes, but I mean its a part of the game. We've had kids get injured in the scrimmage game. Heck when I played we went live in practice all the time. We spent more time beaten the snot out of each other and getting injured during practice than we did in games. Even going pro pads and thudding in practices nowadays there are still freak accidents that happen. I understand where you are coming from because it will be more wear and tear on the kids bodies, but injuries happen all the time, it sucks, but it happens.

10 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Dumb idea to leave Lucas Oil.  Great Idea to go to 10 games by eliminating the worthless scrimmage game.  

How about 40 team classes?  8 championship games....4 each day?

Just at first glance, other than the first 40 schools, all the other classes wouldn't have a difference of more than 200 kids. It wouldn't be terrible. Only problem is you then have to change the playoff format to something other than everyone in the class getting in. I could be wrong, but I think that was what was said at the beginning of this topic. 32 team class everyone still makes it in. Add a week 10. So 40 schools would help with that enrollment gap from what i looked at, it would create more obstacles with the playoffs tho.

22 minutes ago, Daniel_Bragg said:

No.  Absolutely not.  You solution to this is forget the small schools, or send a 6A Final to somewhere other than Lucas Oil?  Come on.  Let's be serious.

Because the kids care more about where they are playing rather than having the opportunity to win a state championship for their school? Because playing in front of touchdown Jesus wouldn't be cool enough? Playing at Ross-ade stadium where kids probably grew up watching games their whole life wouldn't be cool enough? Never did I say forget the small schools. I said the classes would be on a rotation. Some classes would play at Lucas Oil Stadium, some would not. The next year they would flip. You pitch a better idea Caption Insano, I would love to hear it.

So don't play all the games in Lucas Oil. Have the classes on a rotation for when they play there compared to other places. There are plenty of other places in the state a state championship game could be held. South Bend, Lafayette, and Bloomington aren't going to get filled up by two 2A high school football teams fan bases.

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

I mean, "SOMEHOW" Cathedral does it right, lol?

They're just able to because they work harder than everyone else and pay for their own school lunch or something like that.

11 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

My quick mock, I had this too. 

Two people had something drawn up that makes a lot of sense and is the same, looks like the IHSAA is gonna have to go a whole different route. Nice goin fellas 😉

Just now, JQWL said:

Because we need to meet in person for hours upon hours to decide who is the best team in your sectional?

No, it was a good pitch. You just have to think about the same problem that arises with the coaches poll every year. Unfortunately as coaches, you don't have all the time in the world. You also don't see a lot of the teams in your sectional. Yes you can have an idea of who is good but you don't necessarily get to see them on film, see who they play, etc. so trying to have the coaches seed a sectional would be difficult if you don't see everyone because records can be deceiving. Not to mention opinions of other schools, relationships between coaches, I have respect for a lot of coaches all over the state. I also know other coaches I trust about as far as I can throw them if you are catching where I'm going with this.

1 hour ago, JQWL said:

Let's say Saturday morning after week 9, the coaches of the 8 sectionals rank the teams, excluding your own team. Do it via Google Forms. The Forms get sent to the host school that's in charge of the money for the year. Then shared to each AD. Ballots have to be submitted by noon. If you do not submit a ballot, you automatically get seeded last.

This wouldn't work

On 2/9/2024 at 4:30 PM, Footballking16 said:

Ok Calpreps, Massey, create your own formula....

Literally every other state has some kind of rating or qualification system that seeds the postseason or counts for inclusion. 

That's the next step.

Once you appropriately seed the sectionals, the need for what is now considered the first round becomes redundant. There will be running clocks in 75-80% of games if and when they seed appropriately. 

We're getting there....slowly but surely. 

About the only state outside of Indiana i have a little bit of knowledge on is Illinois. From what I know, they don't have a lot of conference games. They travel a lot to play teams within their class. Because of conferences being the majority(for some schools the entirety) of the schedule, in some cases I just think things would get interesting in terms of who gets different seeds. Obviously we could go by different rating systems, but at the end of the day, if two good teams didn't play each other and one got in and the other didn't because of that rating system, you're gonna have some pissed off coaches.

If we go to the 1-16 seeding for all classes and do away with all-in, one thing that could help would be having a week 10 regular season game to schedule more of those out of conference games. 

1 hour ago, MarshallCounty said:

The winner of the Knox and Tippy Valley game has a shot. They will face each in the new NSC.

Any idea what Knox has coming back up front? I know they got some dudes at the skilled positions, but I think they lose some good lineman up front.

On 2/9/2024 at 12:40 PM, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

What does Tippy Valley have coming back, they were a strong team going into the playoffs. 

 

Graduating 16 seniors a lot of really good talent and size at the skilled positions, 7 guys on both sides of the ball combined with consistent varsity experience will be coming back. I don't think they will be as good as last year, no doubt will be a tough game for anyone, but not quite the talent coming back that they had last year.

On 2/9/2024 at 6:49 PM, jets said:

 

Maybe just ask some wrestling coaches - they’ve seemed to figure it out since the beginning of time

They also wrestle 30 matches a year. Usually after 30 matches you see a decent amount of the schools in your sectional and have a good idea of who is the dude to beat in the sectional. Not as easy to do with 9 games.

42 minutes ago, Bobref said:

They’d have to use something else or, for example, 3 of Center Grove’s regular season games in the 2024 season would not count toward seeding, since they are out of state opponents. It would hardly be consistent for the IHSAA to open up their travel policy somewhat, as they did a couple of years ago, and then adopt a seeding formula that penalizes teams for playing out of state opponents.

Good luck finding something else