First_Backer_Inside

gotta give the nod to luers and yorktown. Logansport has the potential to be dangerous

I'd take Brownsburg over them any day.

Not as knowledgeable as you are when it comes to the SAC unfortunately my friend. I assume Carroll the assumed #1 this next year? Snider still going to be down? Who do you think could be at those 2-6 positions with North?

This right here is the deciding factor in my opinion. I think it was mentioned before but it wasn't more than a few years ago they had a DUDE playing QB, RB, and a receiver too I think. I watched them play a game where at one point they were facing a 3rd and over 30 yards. Almost still got the first down on a broken play. 8 D1 guys is impressive. Doesn't always translate. Also know a lot of guys that have been tagged "D1" in the past that needed to be polished before being truly D1 playing ready. Looking forward to watching them with all that talent. Could be a fun team to watch. Hope they can avoid making silly mistakes that have haunted them in the past.

Yikes, hope Columbus North knows what they are doing.

I love winning as much as the next person, but what happened to finding a way to win through actions rather than words and complaints. This is the reason we have little girls and boys going out into the real world instead of young men and women. We have parents, coaches, and leaders holding the hands of student athletes to make sure everything goes perfect for them. One thing I never understood as a child, but now can't appreciate enough from my parents was their ability to allow my siblings and I to fail on our own, and sit back and say you got knocked on your ass what are YOU going to do to figure it out because once you get out in the real world there's no one to sit there and hold your hand through this whole thing we call life. We're crippling our youngsters by not allowing them to fail similar to what you said with the strike zone. It's bigger figure it out.

Put private schools in their own league and be done with it!

I would think he is done after his son graduates but unsure. From an outside view on things I would say he runs things how he wants and has a lot of say for an assistant coach.

I hope it is not. Maconaquah being good makes the TRC good. The conference showdown between Mac and Rochester at the end of the last two years has been really cool to be apart of. Hopefully things are different with this new coach, but he fits the mold of what they have had the last couple of years. A young guy who comes in for 2-3 years, and then looks for greener pastures.

1. Running the ball is boring. 2. Running the ball keeps an assistant coaches son from breaking records. 3. Need a young head coach that will keep a certain assistant coach on staff. 4. Need a young coach that will let assistant coach do as he pleases on offense and just keep the other team from scoring too much. (New hire was previously a D-Coordinator) 5. Winning doesn't matter, records do. 6. Setting a high standard and holding kids to it sounds good on paper until things get difficult. Then we should allow athletes to give up. 7. Coaches should be the athletes friends, enforcing discipline is a no-no.

It's lower than that even at Rochester, and I believe they have one of the lowest paid coaches in the conference if not the lowest.

I don't believe I blamed the refs. Never said anything about them missing a call. Simply stated that if a play was called differently it could have been a different outcome because it was a controversial call where both sideline judges called it differently. It didn't go in our favor and we moved on. Ask other head coaches of 2A programs around this area if their rosters are shrinking or growing. If you're a Rochester guy, ask Brant Beck if he would rather have played for someone else, ask Jabez Yarber who came from Caston what he thinks of Coach Shaffer, ask the Swango's, ask Alex Demming. If players didn't play for him or quit, they probably weren't wanting to be a football player in the first place. I can tell you that was absolutely his plan to retire to spend more time with family. He also felt like it was time to step aside for someone to take over long term and it was the right time for that. Plymouth reached out to him because he is a winner and wanted him. If you want to know more about the Mac job feel free to PM me. I'm more than happy to explain it there. The biggest joke here is you bashing a guy who took a program at one of it's lowest points in program history arguably and turning them back into a winner. Since you are so concerned about Rochester and the program, I'd love to hear what you have done in the last 5 years to help the program grow and succeed?

Look at the margin of victory between Valley and Rochester the years prior to him getting there. It was getting really bad. He comes in and every year it shrunk. If you watched the bell game last year you would know that one or two calls the refs made go a different way and that game might have a different outcome. Look at the couple of seasons before he got there. Rochester wasn't even beating those cupcakes you speak of before he got there. There wasn't a push for utilizing the weightroom when he got there. All those things have changed. This is a really dumb take on your part in my opinion. Plymouth wants a guy that can get them back to a winning program. They got the right guy to do that. May not happen as quickly as Rochester, but it will be better than the 3 and 4 win seasons they've grown accustom to. Really crappy thing for a Rochester person to say about a guy who took over a program that went 4-15 in the two seasons before he got there and won 75% of the games they played the next 5 seasons. Easy for someone on the outside of the program who just sees the team on Friday nights to say. Clueless as to all the work he puts in the other 6 days of the week.

The co-op thing to me feels like it just goes under the transfer rule. If you are unhappy with not having certain sports at your school, transfer your freshman year. If a school is that small and doesn't have football, that happens for what 5-6 kids per class if that. If those 5-6 kids want to play football transfer to a different school.

I understand what you are saying. We need to stay on topic. Unfortunately, it's the offseason. Any thread on here that gets any conversation is good for all of us. There aren't many of us on here everyday in the offseason for good/fun discussions. Thank you for posting a thread that got some kind of conversation going. Even if it wasn't the intended topic. It gives a teacher like me that is bored at the end of the school year something to read throughout the day lol.

From what I understand it is the job of the school to police and enforce themselves....I'm sure every program in the state can be trusted to follow the rules. Just like every program follows the rules of limited-contact.

Yes...if they aren't already. I think I mentioned previously, all it takes is a wealthy alumni to open up an account with a couple thousand dollars in it. Figure out the best players at the school, figure out good players in the area, and offer money for them to come play at the alumni's high school. Technically if the athlete isn't wearing school attire everything should be within the rules it sounds like. The school isn't involved at all. I wanna know which school is going to have the first local dealership handing out cars and trucks to players to drive for a year. That athlete just better not wear school attire while driving the vehicle, they will probably have to park a block away from the school and walk the rest of the way so they aren't on campus property with the vehicle to avoid any trouble.

Thank you for the example. Not bashing on anything from your post I appreciate it. But...can we see the massive amount of grey area this is going to cause. Just from the example, how do we know what is right and what is wrong? How many schools are going to start a "non-school affiliated booster club" that can just pay athletes out of the donated fund to go their school? I just don't see this going over very well, but what do I know? I'm just a dumb math teacher and football coach.

Fair point

While I'm on my rant, this goes with other threads that have been discussed over the last month or so, but we wonder why we are losing more and more great coaches at the high school level. We wonder why no one wants to stick with a program for 15-20 years, why they get burnt out. It's right here, one more thing for coaches to have to worry about that has nothing to do with the actual game of football itself. It's why coaches lose their passion and love for coaching the sport they grew up loving and playing that they want to pass on to the next generation. How long before high school football players are making more money than the guys coaching them?

I believe this is what they are voting on. It says in what I read that they are to have no connection with the school name, uniform, etc... My question is how are we going to regulate all 412 some schools with multiple sports on this? We already have problems following the rules of limited contact apparently. How are we going to make sure every athlete in the state of Indiana isn't making so many dollars from the school booster club or using the school name, colors, etc to make more money? The answer is there is no way we can, so why even open the door for this to happen? Has the IHSAA learned nothing from what the college level is going through once they opened up this pandora's box that is NIL?

The fact that this is even being talked about is absurd.

I guess I can't give you an answer for those bigger schools. I don't have much experience with them. For the smaller schools it is more difficult to get some guys on the all-state teams, so all-conference is the only recognition some of them can get.

To say Carroll doesn't have the talent to beat the Indy schools is ridiculous. They beat HSE to go to state. They played a Westfield team tough in my opinion with the score not reflecting the competitiveness of that game. As mentioned above, they just need to keep taking next steps to get that state title. Right now they believe it is scheduling better competition. If that helps pull them closer to the indy schools and makes them more consistent against them its a positive step. If they still can't win it all they need to take another step in some way. Cignetti said it perfectly at the coaches clinic this year. You need to constantly be changing what you are doing to improve. Cignetti himself said he doesn't want consistency with how his team played last year. If they are staying consistently where they were last year someone else will be improving and pass them up. What can Carroll do to catch up to the Indy schools? What are the Indy schools doing to keep them from taking that leveling step? I think in order for it to happen Crown Point, Penn, and Carroll have to push one another to make that jump. Those are the teams that can get it done. Maybe Merrillville can eventually get to that level, but they are at the disadvantage right now with enrollment. Those four teams need to be playing each other throughout the year rather than some of their conference opponents they play against instead.

The most frustrating sport to see avoid these rules is wrestling. Slap the word club onto anything wrestling and now it can be done all year. I doubt starting a football club would change the rules for us.