Bonecrusher

20 hours ago, Basementbias said:

Time to do the rain dance in Central Adams County!

Could have watered the field.....  Temps too cold?

From Weather.com for tonight in Monroe.  Good football conditions, temperature-wise.  Wish we had this in TX.

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20 hours ago, Basementbias said:

 

South Adams

East Noble

Maybe 8-9 miles. Probably a 15 minute bus ride.

Should be a good one. I'm thinking SA by 17 pts.

East Noble

Adams Central

South Adams

When I was a H.S. player, if an opponent was ahead that far started taking a knee every down/punting on 1st down/etc. I would have been offended.  I would have seen that as a slap in the face.  Ya'll think we suck that bad that you don't even want to play the game?  If we have to stay out here, even with a running clock, then let's play some ball.  I would have preferred to go down fighting.  Losing a game against an opponent in that manner would have felt more humiliating than running simple plays.  It's like they're dumbing down the game just for you.  Even if 2nd string is in and they're running basic plays, it still resembles normal game play.  Continuous kneeling, punting, etc. does not IMHO.

Ya'll feel free to disagree, but that's how I would have felt and ain't nothing changing my mind.  Maybe I'm just too old school.

https://usatodayhss.com/2019/long-island-high-school-football-coach-suspended-for-running-up-the-score-against-previously-undefeated-foe

This situation's a little different than the previous one.  After reading the article, two things stand out to me:

1. The coach didn't pull his starters even with a 5-possession lead in 4th quarter.  Not cool says I.  Let your 2nd stringers get some valuable time vs. the other teams 1st string.  If opponent starts a comeback, your starters go back in.  Bad form by the winning coach, but not deserving of a sanctioning IMO.

2. The Nassau County Lopsided Score Committee?  REALLY?  Once again, at a total loss for words. 🏈 ❄️ 

14 hours ago, itiswhatitis said:

LOL Aren't all of those "old oil money" guys rednecks?  And you are probably right about the limos.  That would be a sight:  a fleet of limos pulling up to a game and the football team all pile out of them.  LOL  Slightly intimidating???

I'm sure many of them are.  That's why I threw in the line about the dually pickups.

3 minutes ago, itiswhatitis said:

I remember when Sheridan played Linton in the 1998 semi-state game, the Blackhawks showed up in a charter bus.  It was kind of impressive actually.  Then they thumped Linton in the game.  LOL  I'm sure there is some rich daddy somewhere in Texas that probably has his own plane and could fly the team to the game.  But then they would still need a bus to get from the airport to the game, right?  Unless they all parachuted out on the field.  LOL

 

Shoot some of these boys with old oil money would probably hire limos to drive them from the airport to the stadium.  Or, they might send a fleet of lifted 4WD diesel dually pickups to get them.  Could go either way depending on how redneck the guy with the cash is.....

Tenaha H.S. in east TX.  I believe I saw their 9-12 enrollment on "snapshot day", last Friday, was 159.  Class 2A Div 2.  They ride in this.

They have made some deep playoff runs in the last 10-12 years.  But so did our school and my boys never got a ride like this one.

10 minutes ago, itiswhatitis said:

Well in all honesty, Texas is bigger than some countries in the world.  LOL

Well if it is Texas, everyone is rich in Texas.  LOL

 

That's pretty obvious.  Also requires longer drives to fb games for many.  Folk in smaller states got it pretty good in that regard.

I know one guy in TX that isn't rich lol.  Seriously, I've never heard of a team chartering a plane, not that it couldn't happen.  I do know of many schools, even a few 2A's that have very nice "tour buses" to go to away games with.

In TX I've driven almost 2 hours for some regular season games, and 3+ hours for playoff games is not unheard of.

There was a semi-state game a few years ago in our classification where the drive was 4 1/2 hours for each team to the neutral site.

Peru

South Adams

Adams Central

East Noble

Leo

Mississinewa

Marion

Concordia

Think I mentioned this in another thread; bye weeks can truly cut both ways.

I've seen teams with players that got healthy(er) and/or were able to do some additional scheming so the bye helped them.  Also seen teams develop timing issues,  increase in minor penalties (false starts/offside/etc) just generally get their heads taken "out of the game".  The lucky ones fix that stuff during the game - the not so lucky ones, well you know......

57 minutes ago, foxbat said:

It's not that silly a question.  You are right that Texas squads and Indiana squads look different even given class levels.  Realize that Texas 1A only goes as high as 104 students, after that, it goes to 2A. Also, 1A is six-man ball, so the first 11-man ball is 2A.  In that case, think of 2A in Texas as being 1A in Indiana in most cases. 

Also, realize that we are only talking about a unique subset of teams that would be competing in a conference like the Hoosier Conference in its current incarnation where a 1A squares off against 3A and possibly 4A competition on a regular basis.  Early on, the Hoosier Conference was actually a lot more 1A/2A teams with McCutcheon and Harrison tossed in for locale.  Many of those teams eventually moved to other conferences and finally settled into what is now the Hoosier Heartland Conference.  Sheridan made a return back to the HC in 2000 and then headed to the Hoosier Heartland when LCC left the Hoosier Heartland and entered the Hoosier again in 2011.  As might be expected, when you look at the two teams that were/are in the Hoosier Conference roaming among 3A/4A types of competition as 1A teams, you are talking about two 1A teams that had/have seven state title appearances and six state titles between the two of them WHILE they were member of the Hoosier Conference.  A couple of other teams have started to flex their muscle that way and I could potentially see a team like Pioneer maybe deciding to go the route that Sheridan and LCC have gone in latching into something like the Hoosier.  Maybe even Linton if their numbers brought them down to 1A again, although the problem there would be how far south they are.

I think what you see in most conferences nowadays in Indiana is something where the schools tend to be within a single class of each other usually a 1A/2A mix or 2A/3A mix or 3A/4A and usually tied to proximity, but again the Hoosier is rare ... which makes it a pretty intriguing/noteworthy conference.  It would also likely cease to exist in its unique structure if something like districts went into effect in Indiana like in Texas.

If most of the conferences only have two classifications, that would definitely be more do-able IMHO.  I was thinking that maybe a lot of them looked like the HC, which apparently isn't the case. 

I used 2A & 4A, since, like you say 2A is the TX equivalent of IN 1A.  Another thing which just occured to me is that down here each class, except 6A, is split into two divisions.  Class 2A D1 are bigger schools than 2A D2, and so on.  So for 11-man football, you really have nine classifications, but it's such a big state that it makes sense.  So, with a little fudge factor I can see how the IN classifications could be a little closer together.

Thx for the explanation.

19 hours ago, foxbat said:

I'm not as familiar with most other conferences and only vaguely familiar with the HC due to LCC's involvement there, but I'd venture a guess that the HC is fairly unique in its make-up ... more on that in a bit.  The addition of 4A Western is more recent, but it hasn't fundamentally altered the conference power structure as a lone entity.  Regarding 1A teams, prior to LCC rejoining in 2011, Sheridan was the 1A lone-wolf having rejoined the conference in 200.  As for titles, realize that LCC has been, recently, in the HC since 2011. If you go back to when Sheridan joined in 2000, the spread of titles is fairly broad across programs and across classifications:

• 1A - 9 titles spread across two programs
• 2A - 9 titles spread across four programs
• 3A - 10 titles spread across four programs
• 4A - No titles

The numbers add up to more than 20 because in some years there were two teams that shared a title and, in some cases, like 2000 and 2001, three teams split the title.  Also, in 2015, Hamilton Heights won the East and LCC won the West, a split title ... this was before the conference crossover games were implemented in 2016 to crown a definitive conference champion in the age of the two-division Hoosier Conference.

The HC has also been prominently represented at LOS in the past 19 years and potentially likely this season too with West Lafayette, Cass, and LCC still looming in post-season tournament play.  Since 2000, Hoosier Conference teams have been active at LOS on Thanksgiving weekend in 12 games and walking away with blue rings in 9 of them.  Just in the past decade, the HC has had representation at LOS in 8 games in 6 years and walked away with 6 blue rings ... across three classes.

Good info there....  The reason I picked HC was because it was referenced in a previous post and has four classifications in it - looked to be a good example, and I figured someone could explain.  The  HC conference titles have indeed been spread fairly evenly which is what we want, in theory.

What I still have trouble with is how a 1A can beat out several 3A's for a title, or beat enough 3A's to share a title with someone.  If the 2A school my kids attended were in the same district with a 4A (I know impossible down here, but for argument's sake..), unless it was a very weak 4A, we wouldn't have a snowball's chance to win that district because there's absolutely no way we could beat that 4A school.  Second place would be the best we could hope for.  We've beat our share of 3A's, but would not like our chances against any but the bottom-of-the-barrel 4A's.  We typically suit up between 20-25 for varsity, a typical 4A here will dress twice that many.  Probably half of our kids play both ways - 4A is almost exclusively 2 platoon.  See what I'm getting at?  It would be foolishness to put teams that far apart together in a conference or district down here, but up there ya'll seem to be making it work.  How?  Less disparity between classifications?  I wouldn't think so, but have not seen the cutoffs.

I feel kinda silly for asking, but there's got to be something I'm not factoring in to this....

If Indiana ever did go with playoff qualification & seeding, conferences would become meaningless.  Indiana conferences with three or in some cases four different classifications of schools in them and those classes don't face each other in the post season.  So what's the purpose of the conference, besides bragging rights?  Bragging rights don't get you a sectional/regional/state champ trophy.

There are a bunch of different sized schools thrown together in more of an apples-to-oranges setup than apples-to-apples IMO.  I never understood mixing classifications in a conference even when I was in school in the early-mid 80's.  The ACAC teams were fairly close together, but still had two classes in there IIRC.  I don't get how a 1A team, or even a 2A, is supposed to compete with a 4A team for a conference championship.  That would be the equivalent of a 2A or 3A competing with a 5A team down here.  Besides the handful of obvious lopsided match-ups (good small school vs. weak big school), just not gonna happen.  You put a strong 5A against a strong 2/3A and that 5A school is going to eat the smaller one for supper.

There has to be something I'm missing.  The Hoosier conference has 1A LCC tied for 2nd place (betw both div's) with a 4A school!  That would be insanity down here.  Does the conference put a weak 4A with average 3A's and good 1/2A's?  Sorry, not trying to be disrespectful just want to be able to wrap my head around these different classes in conferences.

On 10/25/2019 at 12:16 PM, Bobref said:

     On 10/25/2019 at 12:13 PM, GOLDRUSH1985 said:  In the regular season , your playing for a conference championship . 

And, in the example given, a Texas school could still be playing for a conference championship, too. The observation remains valid.

That's correct, Texas schools are playing for conference (district) championships.

To address GOLDRUSH's point the difference is in Indiana the conference championship is for bragging rights only (IIRC); in Texas your finishing place determines your seeding in playoffs, so there's more on the line and teams are more motivated to win the conf./dist. championship or place as high as possible.

1 hour ago, foxbat said:

My alma mater is in 6A District 17 and I also lived in that 6A District 9 grouping before moving here to the Midwest.

Ah, the Houston & NE Dallas areas.  We're in 2A Div 1 Dist 8 (Waco area) for the past 13 years.  Don't know if you had any interest in TX small school football, we were in the same district as Mart for several years.  Played them a handful of times for district championship - they won.

Regarding the article in the OP's post, the crap that coach pulled wouldn't have flown at our school - and probably not with the UIL (the IHSAA of Texas).

We used to have a bye week for district champs years ago down here.  While a bye is good for hurt players getting extra time to mend and being able to do some extra scheming, I've seen/heard of that bye week doing some weird things to teams in round 2.  Build up a little rust, timing off, head not 100% in the game, etc.

2 hours ago, foxbat said:

Texas is tough.  In some cases and some districts, your season is pretty close to done after Week 3, even if you are only dropping games by a field goal and are ranked.

This is correct.  Drop a couple close early district games with some good opponents still to come and you've dug yourself a pretty deep hole.  Another issue, which has gone away to some extent, is having very weak districts or  on the flip side what we call "stacked" districts.

No system is perfect.  Still like the idea of having to earn the right to play post season, though.

Guys I must have missed something here.  Where is the file we're supposed to download?  Does someone DM it to us?  Think I still have time to take a look tonight and get it back by the deadline.  If my wife doesn't have anything pressing for me to do.

Agree completely regarding Concordia being a dark horse.  Not sure how deep they will go, but they're definitely not a pushover team.  Battle tested and toughened up playing SAC schedule they beat the teams they should have beat (maybe except Northrop) and lost to the teams they were "supposed to" lose to, but did put up points against some of the powerhouse teams.

I'm on the fence regarding Luers.  Shut out by the SAC big four by an average of 44-0 and lost by 28 points to Concordia.  Their other losses were close games and the two wins were against weak teams, albeit larger schools.  I'm having difficulty discerning whether they are either: a good team just on the wrong side of the coin in a super-competitive conference, or a not-so-good team that got a wood shedding several times and maybe a little beat down from it.  If the former they could fare reasonably well in post season, if the latter they will perform like a mediocre team that got beat down repeatedly by better teams and make a quick exit.  Hoping it's the former.  Always pulling for the Fort Wayne area teams and know several people who graduated from Luers.  However, I can't shake some lingering doubts.  Just because you play tougher competition and get  blown out doesn't make you a good team.

Time will tell.

New Haven

Heritage

Bluffton

Eastside

South Adams

Monroe Central

Adams Central

East Noble

DeKalb

Leo

Huntington North

Norwell

I like the idea.  Always nice to chat during a game.

We have an app down here that works pretty slick.  You can find your game, update the score, live chat/comments and check other games.  It gets a ton of use Friday nights.  

22 minutes ago, DT said:

There are 3240 high schools in Texas.  You could never have an all in tourney and still finish before Christmas.https://www.google.com/search?q=total+texas+high+schools&oq=total+texas+high+schools&aqs=chrome..69i57j33l4.5990j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

 

That's correct, it would be impossible. Still, the playoffs should be for the best teams, or at least the winning teams, regardless of the geographic location. We gotta agree to disagree on this one.