Bonecrusher
-
Posts
308 -
Joined
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Gallery
Store
Articles
Events
Posts posted by Bonecrusher
-
-
1 hour ago, DT said:
I think neutral sites for Indiana semi states would be a real dud.
You simply cannot replace the home field on campus excitement and electric atmosphere that a semi state football game brings to a community. Ohio has many more casual football fans than Indiana. Their semi state games draw from a much broader audience that goes well beyond the schools participating.
This element is a real feather in the cap of our tournament process. Its why we are different and unique.
Here is what is very cool about it. Many schools in the Region might hate Andrean during the season, but they are there at Demaree Stadium on Interstate 65 if the 59ers are hosting a semi state battle, and most become Andrean fans for a night because the school is representing The Region. That goes for Lowell, Valpo, Michigan City, or anyone else who advances deep into the tournament.
I was just throwing that idea out there for whatever it's worth.
I know neutral sites works great down here in Texas, and no one can say the fans here are just casual, but maybe that's what helps it work. Playoff teams down here have fan bases that travel well. The neutral school gets a portion of the evening's takings, and if you have large crowds, that can turn into a nice little sum, especially if you have a nice facility and host several playoff games, and many do. Same goes for the neutral school's concession stand, and I might be wrong but I believe the stand keeps everything they bring in. Saving some driving time when your opponent is 4 hours away, or more, is a big deal. Drive time may not be that big of a deal in Indiana due to it;s smaller size, but that might be relative. 2 1/2 hours for you could be equivalent to 4+ for us. I also would beg to differ regarding the home field excitement factor - down here. Maybe not 100% across the board, but the playoff games I've been to had the fans as pumped up (IMO) as any home game. But then again, neutral sites are what we're used to and I can understand it could be a very big change for some communities up there.
I would think if schools see it as too much work to be a neutral site, that could be a little apathy or maybe it's just that round ball is such a close competitor to football it makes the effort not worth it to have both going at once if it's not your team playing? I still see Indiana as primarily a basketball state, is that accurate? Currently, do schools split the gate in playoffs, or is it 60/40 or 70/30 or how do they do it?
What works down here may not work somewhere else. It seems to be the "fairest" method, but lots of things need to be factored in.
-
On 6/28/2020 at 9:13 PM, Mebuck said:
Let'sbe honest. 2,4,6 and 1,3,5 made perfect sense. So let's mix it up to get more people in the stands? No matter how you make it the numbers will be the same. Like Daylight saving time. You can move it all you want, still 24 hours. Changing things to just change is just dumb. The number of people from a 1A or 2A will be the same no matter what day they play on.... you want people in the stands, no video broadcasts, lower ticket prices and give out free Hot dogs.
👍👍
-
On 6/27/2020 at 10:06 PM, oldtimeqb said:
Don’t take this as a complaint- the inconveniences of the situation are well worth the chance to play for a state title. Every Hs football player would be willing to trade a lot for a blue ring.
Specifics? Mainly travel but here are some examples.
Time change. Had Andrean won SS last year, they would have played an 11 AM Central kickoff. Rensselaer/ Mater Dei back in 2014 featured two teams from the central time zone. Do you spend the night before in a hotel or leave really early to drive the 2-2:30 hours?Media day. Monday the coach and team captains travel to get pictures and meet with IHSAA brass. A minor inconvenience for Chatard, Carmel, and Center Grove. But this was most likely a 5+ Hr round trip in a car for Memorial, East Noble, and Heritage Hills. They probably don’t make it back for the start of practice as well.
Practice. If they want, those teams can choose to take another 5+ hr round trip - but this time in a bus for a practice at Lucas Oil. New Pal, WeBo can take their hour practice at LOS, head back to school and finish normal practice. An Evansville school has to give up pretty much a whole Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday (Thanksgiving) if they want to practice at Lucas.
Hotel issues- Black Friday and the tree lighting take place downtown Friday in Indy. If you don’t want an early drive (or like to tailgate!) parents, fans, coaches’ families, plus alumni who have informal reunions all are trying to coordinate where they are staying. I concede this is a self-imposed issue, but it still is a distraction that Indy area teams don’t deal with.
I don’t think it changes the outcome - but just take a look at Heritage Hills schedule for regional and semi state, and then throw another two trips to Indianapolis prior to kickoff on Friday.
Not OT since my question is regarding playoffs, but just came to mind so here goes.
Does Indiana use neutral sites for the playoff's? I'm guessing they don't. We do down here and I think it's a great idea. Reduced travel time by ~1/2 (this is the biggest benefit IMO), you can usually can find a decent stadium with enough seating, smaller schools get to play a few games in a "big" stadium environment. Both coaches have to agree on the site, obviously, I don't see a down side.
Apologies for the digression.
-
1
-
-
On 6/28/2020 at 8:15 PM, Titan32 said:
DST isn't the issue...the issue is the SW and NW corners of the state being on CST. I think it is nuts that any of Indiana is on EST...just my opinion.
I've wondered this myself, as well. Haven't lived in Indiana since 2006, but when we were there they were on EST and DST. I didn't think it made a whole lot of sense, especially that double whammy during the summer. I'm not going to be mowing my yard at 9:00 p.m., and unless I was snowmobiling I wasn't planning on doing much of anything outside after 4:00-5:00 p.m. in December/January. Just seemed like we were too far east to be on both EST and DST, or even EST by itself. But I realize that's just me and everyone's schedules are different.
-
13 hours ago, BTF said:
I think we have to move forward. We are already trillions in dept as a country. Another shutdown will make recovery impossible no matter who is in charge after November.
I still think we let the parents, coaches, kids, and fans decide. We all know the risks. No one will force a kid to play. No one will force a coach to coach. No one will force a fan to attend.
I saw this coming. Football is the money sport for most schools at the high school and college level. Not having a season will be absolutely devastating financially. Start the season and go from there. If it get's out of hand the season can always be cancelled. I promise you and every reader on this forum.................if this country shuts down again, the next recession will make 2008 look like a joke. According to some financial experts, our economy is already a bubble waiting to pop. Covid could be the needle that does it.
I sincerely understand your concern. People going to die from Covid, just like they do from the flu. The only difference is that instead of 1 death, there will be 3. That's a big number, I get that. But is it worth total financial devastation? That's the question we have to ask ourselves. It's kind of like voting for the President. Fifty percent will go one way and fifty percent will go the other. So which is right? I reside on the side of re-opening our economy...........including sports.
Agree with this post.
I've wondered numerous times how far can we go before the cumulative effect of numerous or prolonged shutdowns makes the treatment worse than the disease. I'm all for masks, distancing, sanitizing and as much temperature taking/testing we can do. Lets isolate those at greatest risk but the rest of us live our lives while practicing the aforementioned precautions and using common sense.
-
2
-
-
3 hours ago, jets said:
It is touching that you are so concerned about the health of the New Pal players and community. Good on ya...
Ps...I have no idea what’s true/not true/why the article was even written in the first place. Any person with a brain would know it’s gonna bring up question marks??
Question asked and answered.
The reporter, and most likely the newspaper, knew beforehand the wildfire this story would start. "Journalism" these days.......
-
On 4/4/2020 at 9:08 AM, Gipper said:
Although the three yards and a cloud of dust is a swell approach, it should not be the only scheme as that would make the offense one-dimensional. With that, an OC worth it’s salt will also use the fly, go, and wheel routes, trips to the right or left, the Hail Mary (which is the greatest football play there is) as well as other long bombs, and spread offense.
The game, much like life, is ever changing and evolving. Keep up or turn on ESPN Classic.
Amen. When my oldest was a freshman IIRC, our varsity had probably the best offense in the school's 11-man history. To me, the textbook definition of a perfectly balanced offense or close as you can get with a small school team. We would force the ground n' pound teams to commit to the run then burn them in the air. They found out long, clock-eating drives got them nowhere when suddenly down by 3-4 TD's mid-2nd quarter. In fact, the ball control worked against them as it took them so long to score, they didn't have time to pull even with us. Some of these teams only had a handful of passing plays that they worked on sparingly. By halftime, the game was basically over.
-
1
-
-
On 4/3/2020 at 2:17 PM, TrojanDad said:
I am not sold one bit on Mayfield...and its not a size thing and its not the Browns. Its a head thing....a maturity thing. When Manning came to the Colts, they were horrific. Polian did draft them out of it, but Manning not only had the physicial characteristics, but brains, maturity and leadership. Mayfield, not in Manning's league in all of those categories.
Some smaller players like Brees and Wilson have excelled....but they are indeed in the minority in the NFL. There is a reason why scouts and GM's typically go after the QB's with size and arm strength. We could also list QB's that are smaller that haven't panned out as well....or had average careers.
If Mayfield grows up, that would be a nice start and then who knows. But today, I am not sold at all. But he can shotgun a beer when the cameras are on him.
Comments are spot on. I always thought of Baker Mayfield as a "lite" version of Johnny Football. Not quite as extreme in his conduct, or having the same bad decision making ability, but still the same type of guy. But back to the RPO topic......
-
According to Maxpreps the top five states with the most top-500 football recruits: Florida, Texas, Georgia, California & Alabama. That's just one source, there are many more. I'm sure Texas would make just about anyone's top 5 list for hs recruits. If they're that high they must not be the only ones playing "7 on 7".
-
10 minutes ago, JustRules said:
Don't confuse DT with facts. It doesn't fit his narrative.
I looked up data from last year for comparison purposes. I picked the same week for both states and used 6A for Texas and 6A/5A for Indiana. Here is what I found.
Texas (92 games) - average score is 39-16 with 22% the winner scored more than 50
Indiana (44 games) - average score is 35-15 with 14% the winner scored more than 50
Colder weather could have kept down some of the scores, but it general those are pretty similar numbers.When I read the 66-57 score comment, I initially thought DT was referring to 6-man!
With two boys playing Texas high school football from 2012-2017 my personal recollection of game scores is closer to the 39-16 than 66-57. I don't have the time right now to research data, but I can only remember a couple games where it looked like neither team was playing defense. I'd say generally, most games the score differential was in the 3 to 21 point range. Typically in games where someone scored high 40's or more (mostly us thank goodness, lol) the other team would only score maybe 14 max against the winners subs. Those games were the exception, not the norm.
When my oldest was an underclassman we still played a fair amount of teams, I'd say six or seven, that were "3 yards and a cloud of dust" offenses. We had a handful of local teams and would face another one to three in playoffs that kept it on the ground. This is for 2A ball, the smallest classification in TX playing 11-man, so take that into consideration. By the time my youngest was a senior, I'd say through 13 games (10 reg season, 3 rounds post) we faced three teams total that favored the run, and only two of them ran from what we would call traditional formations. So yes, overall the majority of our opponents ran some version of RPO. We even used that scheme more often towards the end of my time watching hs ball. Started out as a spread team, that was balanced run/pass, and over time began adding options for the QB. The hs game has definitely morphed in just the time I was watching my kids play.
Personally, I think both extremes are very boring. I prefer a balanced, or close to, game.
-
On 12/20/2019 at 6:00 AM, LuersLurker said:
The way kids hit in the past would get them thrown out of the game today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHfnZq1LCUE
Back in the dark ages when I played, it was called ringing someone's bell. It was highly encouraged to pop a guy like that if you could, in fact, if you had a chance to "knock him into the bleachers" and you didn't, you might have got chewed out a little for not taking the shot at him. Been on both ends of hits like that. I remember our starting running backs coming up at an angle if the tackler was not low enough and put those shoulder pads between his pads and helmet (basically hitting defender on chin strap/facemask). Saw many necks snap back, many helmets come off and even guys lifted off the ground.
It used to be a brutal sport. Looking back I'm really surprised more people didn't get hurt, or seriously injured, than did. In more recent times (i.e. my sons playing days) I thought we had swung too far the other way, basically overcompensating, and were "wussifying" the sport. I also thought the lack of reps would result in more injuries due to bad form. I am re-thinking that however especially watching my youngest's last couple years (OLB/RB @ 2A school so plenty of chances to both tackle and be tackled). I think they're getting it right and some of the new techniques focused more on bring a guy down than "cleaning out the cobwebs" results in the same net outcome but with somewhat less chance of injury. If they can do reps with dummys or other means and figure it out, I'm all for it.
-
2 hours ago, rondollison said:
Webo just scored on Eastbrook again...😅
Idiot. You're the kind of jerk who should be banned.
-
2
-
1
-
-
On 11/25/2019 at 6:27 PM, Bonecrusher said:
Going with the underdog in this one. LCC 31-28.
Almost nailed it. Congrats LCC.
-
3
-
-
East Noble
-
I'm sure the right attorney or law firm could have a field day with this, as well they should. There is so much that was mis-handled here it makes my head spin. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
Unfortunately no punishment or settlement will ever erase those events for that poor young man.
-
Going with the underdog in this one. LCC 31-28.
-
EN will show up and do what they do. Win.
-
2
-
1
-
-
On 11/20/2019 at 1:34 PM, Ben Mussolini said:
Saints 35, Senators 12.
I've not seen West Washington, but have seen Lutheran and they are tough. They will be too much for either Adams Central or Lafayette CC.
It would be nice to see this game played in Campbellsburg. IHSAA should never allow a team to play 4 consecutive home games in tournament.
Hope Lutheran's team isn't looking looking ahead like some of the fans are lol.
Agree 100% with you regarding post season home games.
-
Adams Central
East Noble
-
Within any given classification, moving schools up that that win a lot and moving down schools that lose a lot makes no sense to me. Like others here have said you're punishing success and rewarding failure. If you can't beat the school you're lining up against, get better. Best team wins. Period. It's life, get used to it. Coddling bad teams & punishing good teams. I call BS on that.
I know, I know I'm a mean old man. So get off my lawn lol.
-
2 hours ago, Muda69 said:
Oct. 17, 2008. A day that will live in infamy. Never forget.
OK, now I get it. Was not aware of that one. Ouch!
Thankfully for both sides, won't get anywhere near that. I agree with foxbat, this game most likely comes down to the sum of the little things - that aren't so little in reality.
-
9 hours ago, Bonecrusher said:
Pulling for the Jets in a close one. Thinking 1 TD win, hoping for more.
8 hours ago, LCCAlum said:Hopeful for 96-0?
Huh? You lost me there.
But yeah sure, if AC can win by 96 points instead of the 6 or 7 I'm thinking, why the heck not! That would be a statement win lol. Think I'll stick with my original prediction.
-
Pulling for the Jets in a close one. Thinking 1 TD win, hoping for more.
-
OK, you want it coming down, not just a sloppy field. Would prefer an AC win, but realistically gotta pick SA. Hope Jets prove me wrong.
IHSAA 8 Man Football Proposal
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Posted
Many here have described 6-man as being like "basketball on a football field". Scores, especially the winning team's in mis-matched games, gets crazy high. There is a 45-point mercy rule that gets used a fair bit. Think of the St Louis Rams "greatest show on turf"-style offense, and you have a high school version of that in the 6-man game if your offense is clicking on all cylinders. Put two well matched 6-man teams together, it's going to be a very fun and interesting evening if you like huge offensive numbers. Good offenses score basically every time they get the ball. Some teams play better D than others, but it's more often than not an offensive showdown. Oh, and the field is slightly smaller.
I'm not against 6-man. Better that than nothing. If the kids want to play, I say more power to them. There is blocking, tackling, running, passing just like 11-man, but as told to me by a 6-man parent "it ain't quite the same game". Doesn't mean it's inferior, just different. Those kids train just as hard and long as 11-man players and are asked to do just as much.
I would rather see schools playing 8-man or co-oping than not playing at all.