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21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Yes, the classification cycle starts over this year, but there has been no clarification on what will happen to the specific schools who got bumped mid-cycle last year. There are a couple of ways they can go - keep them up for the full cycle, keep them up for half the cycle or send them back to their original class. This only affects two - maybe three - schools in football (LCC, Chatard and maybe WeBo, since it appears WeBo will be 3A due to enrollment anyway). -
If you're into the four-class sports, here's the maps for those (based on 101 schools per class) ... or at least basketball. There might be some adjustments for the other sports (volleyball and especially baseball & softball) because a handful of schools don't have teams, so the number of schools per class is slightly different. Remember, in those sports, teams bumped up due to SF don't bump anyone else down, thanks to Lebanon getting mad about New Pal softball being bumped down and beating them in the regional a few years ago and lobbying for a change to IHSAA bylaws. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1mCCJ1OuHye-XrVzNuDG2oPCxB8mco9K9&usp=sharing
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Southridge would be 3A on enrollment anyway. They and Pioneer won't "probably" be kept up. They *will* be kept up. They have achieved two points in their higher class in the last two years. The question marks are Chatard, Western Boone & LCC. Each bumped last year, but didn't win the regional and thus doesn't have two points. My guess is they will be up for the start of the cycle and then drop back down if they don't get their two points this year (except WeBo, which will likely stay up in 3A due to enrollment).
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Non Football Schools
crimsonace1 replied to Football Guru 25's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
This is three years old, so it doesn't include any new programs (like Purdue Poly), but here's the list directly from the IHSAA of which schools compete in which sports. https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/schools/School Classifications by Sport.pdf -
21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
What I expect to happen is they'll be up next year and if they don't get their two points, they'll fall back to the lower class for 2023 (and the 7-team sectional fields will be strategically drawn to allow this to happen). Western Boone appears to be 3A on enrollment. -
21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
The IHSAA used to do that. I think they're waiting until the basketball tournaments are done and Success Factor points added in to release the classifications so they can do one fell swoop. I also have not received an answer to what they're going to do with Chatard, WeBo and LCC. -
21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Here's the list of football-playing schools tabbed by enrollment and likely class next year. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18x4CjZOBcDgC9V6clbOXc4XgTXubeav5H5kXfSocLSk/edit?usp=sharing -
Non Football Schools
crimsonace1 replied to Football Guru 25's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Probably the easiest thing to do is go to Harrell's page and see the schools that *do* and then cross-reference that with the IHSAA directory. There are 316 football-playing schools and 407 IHSAA members. -
I've updated the class maps based on the new enrollments. Adjustments from the original *63 schools in 4A-A Norwell from 4A-3A (due to 63 schools) Rensselaer, Centerville, Pike Central from 2A>3A Mater Dei, Luers, Bremen, Andrean from 3A>2A Providence, Eastern Hancock from 2A>A Again, made the assumption that Chatard (4A) and LCC (2A) will at least begin in their Success Factored class and possibly move down if they do not get their requisite two points this year., Western Boone will be the smallest 3A on enrollment. If Chatard goes back to 3A next year, Norwell will move to 4A. If LCC goes back to 1A next year, Eastern Hancock will go to 2A.
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Both have schedules listed on Harrell's site.
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21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
It seems most of the issues were with private school enrollments - and some of them were several years out of date. It appears the IHSAA was given bad data by the Department of Education. While public schools have a "count day" and have to report that data to the DOE for funding purposes, private schools have different funding mechanisms (vouchers & tuition), so their reporting is different. -
When the IHSAA sends out the corrected enrollment numbers, I'll adjust the maps. I used the IHSAA's enrollment list (since deleted) and Harrell's site. I may need to delete Wood Memorial, which would take it back to 316.
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21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
There was apparently some bad data. Have heard from several people the IHSAA has circulated a memo to the schools stating the enrollments posted have some discrepancies and are in the process of being corrected. -
6A/5A schools without turf
crimsonace1 replied to AW0352's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
They have a turf field, they just don't play games on it. -
Here's a Google map with what (I think) will be the six classes, based on Success Factor & IHSAA enrollments. Have fun trying to figure out who goes where. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1O6J1oaoKWSgPWgPhsL7-eng1-_vqyqEr&usp=sharing A couple of caveats - Chatard was placed in 4A, Western Boone in 3A, LCC in 2A and I put 64 teams in 4A and 63 in the other classes to leave open the possibility of Chatard, WeBo or LCC moving down. If I get some clarification from the IHSAA on how that will be handled, I'll adjust the classes accordingly.
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21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I've reached out to the IHSAA try to get clarification on how Chatard, WeBo & LCC will be handled. -
21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
No. 6A = 32 teams 5A = 32 teams (+ any leftovers if there are more than 320) 4A-1A = Leftover teams up to 64 per class. If there are not an equal number of schools, the smallest classes will get the extra teams. There are 317 football-playing schools, so 6A will have 32 teams, 5A will have 32. In a normal year, 4A-2A would have 63 each and 1A 64, but with the possibility of Success Factor drops, that may change. It's not going to be perfect, but with a three-year cycle, everything got screwed up. Success was based on the last two years at the point of reclassification, so yes, Pioneer & Southridge get an extra year up (and New Pal moves down a year earlier than originally expected). -
The SF is a 2-year cycle, but the last enrollment cycle was a three-year one because of COVID screwing with the enrollment numbers. Because SR & Pioneer's latest regional title came in what will now be the *first* year of the new two-year cycle, they'll get an extra year. New Pal & a couple other schools drop back down a year early, too. Someone is going to benefit and someone's going to stay up an extra year. You're not going to come up with a system that pleases everyone. As I read the IHSAA's notes on their Success Factor page, what I think will be the only mid-cycle adjustment will be Chatard, WeBo & LCC will stay up for the first year of the cycle and move back down. But that's a stab and hasn't been confirmed with the IHSAA. Southridge may be moving up on enrollment in 2024 as it is.
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21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I only have 4A-6A done so far, but here's the map for those who want to take their own stab at figuring out who goes where. https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1O6J1oaoKWSgPWgPhsL7-eng1-_vqyqEr&usp=sharing -
21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
They have a realignment committee that goes over the maps and assigns the tournament sites. It takes time to get the committees organized. Also, there are multiple sports to have to deal with and with the way the IHSAA now does classes, it means a completely different map for each sport (it used to be, baseball/softball/boys hoops/girls hoops/volleyball were all classified together, but now, each sport is classified separately and you have one or two schools that are, for example, 3A in boys hoops and 2A in girls hoops because of the enrollment cutoffs being different because not all schools offer girls basketball). -
21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
5A and 6A will always have, at a minimum, 32 teams. The remainder get divided among the other four classes. -
4A would have 64 teams in this scenario, 3A and 2A would have 63, so if Chatard drops and WeBo stays, or if WeBo drops and LCC stays, so you put the 7-team sectionals in a spot where they could absorb another team (and thankfully, WeBo/Chatard and WeBo/LCC are close enough where they could fit in each other's sectional fields. It's not like we're deciding between Angola and an Evansville school).
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21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
4A is a challenge. A few assumptions: Chatard is in 4A for *one year* and back down if they don't win a regional. Therefore, Norwell is also in 4A and it will be a 64-team class. If Chatard stays up for the full cycle, Norwell likely goes to 3A, which changes the entire map. 17: East Chicago, Highland, Gary West, Hobart, Lowell, KV, New Prairie, Plymouth 18: SB Washington, SBSJ, SB Riley, NorthWood, Wawasee, Northridge, East Noble, Angola 19: DeKalb, Leo, New Haven, FW South, FW Wayne, Columbia City, Huntington North, Norwell 20: Logansport, Western, Kokomo, Marion, Mississinewa, Jay County, Muncie Central, Frankfort 21: Pendleton Heights, Greenfield-Central, Mt. Vernon, New Palestine, New Castle, Connersville, Richmond, Beech Grove 22: Northview, Lebanon, Roncalli, Chatard, Ind. Washington, Attucks, Shortridge, Brebeuf 23: BNL, Jennings County, East Central, Edgewood, Martinsville, Mooresville, Greenwood, Shelbyville 24: Reitz, Bosse, Memorial, Central, Ev. Harrison, Boonville, Jasper, Silver Creek If no Chatard (go back to 3A), move Beech Grove into Sectional 22 If no Norwell (remain in 3A because Chatard is up for the full cycle, move East Noble into Sectional 19. -
21-22 DOE Enrollments
crimsonace1 replied to HoopsCoach's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Here's my stab at 5A 9. Hammond Central, Hammond Morton, Munster, Merrillville 10: Valpo, Chesterton, Michigan City, LaPorte 11: SB Adams, Mishawaka, Concord, Goshen 12: FW Dwenger, FW North, FW Snider, Anderson 13: McCutcheon, Harrison, Plainfield, Decatur Central 14: TH North, TH South, Bloomington North, Bloomington South 15: Seymour, Columbus East, Franklin, Whiteland 16: Ev. North, Castle, Floyd Central, New Albany Again, 11 schools north of the US 30 corridor, so the question comes - which team goes north? Another option would be to send Harrison to Fort Wayne and place Anderson with McCutcheon, Plainfield & DC. In the South, you have seven pairs (EvN/Castle, Floyd/NA, Seymour/CE, Franklin/Whiteland, THN/THS, BloomN/BloomS, Plainfield/DC) for 16 spots that can be combined in a lot of different ways. This one seems to be the most sensible.
