Footballking16

Sure. That’s how open enrollment works just about everywhere. But LC is hurt/impacted in a worse way than LN. The faction of Geist (the most affluent part of Lawrence Township) is seeing its kids go to private schools or HSE/Mt. Vernon.

I was more so just eluding to the high schools.

Not lost in all this, but LC should be a heavy favorite to win the 4A basketball title this year.

Lawrence Township is now open enrollment I believe. There used to be 3 middle schools Belzer (LC), Fall Creek Valley (LN), and Craig (split LC/LN depending on address). Craig closed awhile back. General rule of thumb is that most kids that go to Belzer go to LC and Fall Creek Valley go to LN. There's a section of Geist, southwest part of the reservoir out to 600 between 86th and 96th street that feed into the Belzer. That area is the most affluent part of Lawrence Township and the area LC/Lawrence Township lose most of their kids.

That and I just think Lawrence Township is capped with 2 schools. Geist isn't growing or getting bigger and families are moving into Hamilton and Hancock County. Better school districts.

And I think it has to do with some of the reasons I stated above. There is a faction of Lawrence Township (Geist) where socioeconomic demographics are more aligned with schools like HSE and Mt. Vernon who are also closer in proximity than the drive out to Lawrence Central, along with a good percentage of kids who go the private school route (Cathedral/Chatard). Up until a few years ago Lawrence Township had districts and the Geist portion of Marion County fed into Lawrence Central. A good amount of those kids are still going to private schools, especially high school, while some are now starting to migrate towards HSE and Mt. Vernon. I also have a strong suspicion that Warren Central is still pulling some "athletes" that technically live on the southend of Lawrence Township.

Correct

Socioeconomic factors. Truth be told, I grew up in Geist and went private k-12 and a lot of my friends went the same route (graduated high school 08). Today, I live on the Marion County side of Geist and more and more kids are going to HSE/Mt. Vernon for high school, especially Mt. Vernon, if they aren't already in private school. Mt. Vernon and HSE are both closer in distance to that area in Lawrence Township than Lawrence Central.

A lot of those Geist kids are going to private schools and/or making the drive to Hamilton Southeastern or Mt. Vernon.

Dense does have a way of standing out.

Imagine still not understanding what “pound for pound” means after having it explained 3 different times by 3 different people, only to continue to use it inaccurately. Bravo.

LOL. I'm not trying to create anything. I simply gave an opinion. Nowhere did I ever call Chatard to be a champion of anything mythical, simply gave an opinion that I though they were the best team in the state pund for pound. You clearly don't get the usage or terminology and you're attributing it to mean something that it doesn't.

That literally has nothing to do with a single thing I’ve said in this thread??? Are you moving the goal posts now?

I’m not the one speaking in absolutes, you are. You said you’ve “NEVER” heard a kid cite too many numbers as a reason why they don’t play football. If that’s your stance then you have no other choice than to believe the 77 kids on Avon’s roster or the 120 kids on Ben Davis’ roster are the best available football players in the school. But you’ll never say that because you know it’s not true. There are plenty of kids at schools like Ben Davis or Warren or Carmel who are good enough to play varsity at just about any other school in the state that don’t and that’s because they’ll never see the field because there’s still 4 or 5 other guys better at their position. That’s the problem created when you have three and four thousand kids in a school. I know for a fact that for years the best football players at North Central didn’t come out for the team. I know it was a big problem at LN as well for the longest time.

I’m a Cathedral backer giving credit where credit is due. How did I move the goalposts? I stated an opinion that I believe kids are discouraged to come out for football or quit altogether before they see it through because of the sheer numbers at these 3,000+ school enrollments. I planted the goal posts here. You don’t have to agree with me, but stop suggesting I’m switching the narrative.

So you're telling me that 77 players on Avon's roster are the best 77 football players in a school of 3,000? I say no chance. We can agree to disagree.

I'm strictly speaking to numbers. Avon has ~3,000 kids in their school. Assuming it's a 50/50 split male v female, that's 1500 boys in the school. Compare that to Chatard and their 700 students (350 boys in a 50/50 split). Both teams may have 80 players on their roster, but if you're choosing 80 kids from a pool of 350 kids while another team is choosing 80 kids from a pool of 1500, the latter is going to be bigger/faster/strong up and down the roster, especially towards the end of the roster. I don't think Avon's top 10 players are night and day better than the top 10 players from Chatard, but 11-22? And then 23-80? Absolutely. They have a ton more to choose from. It's simply a numbers game. Roughly 23% of Chatard's male enrollment makes up their varsity roster of 80 players. 23% of Avon's male enrollment is 345. It's not feasible to have 345 players on a football roster. There are kids at Avon, Brownsburg, at any 6A who are discouraged from playing due to sheer numbers. It's simply a numbers game.

Pains me to do it but I think you guys have a great team and probably were the better team even in defeat a few weeks ago. Outside a blown coverage on 3rd and 22 that resulted in an 88 yard TD pass and then another long run late to seal the game (2 plays accounted for more than half of Cathedral's output for the game), you guys dominated the LOS despite being outweighed 40-50 lbs a man. Was the only time this year I've seen Cathedral struggle to move the ball and that's with playing X and Elder on the road where the Irish moved the ball at will.

I don't think roster size is always the best indication. It's no secret that there is more participation in a P/P setting, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of talent or depth. Avon may have 2 less kids than Chatard but Avon has 4x the enrollment. The bigger the school, the more the competition there is and subsequently less available playing time and that leads to fewer participation. I have no doubt that schools like Avon, Warren, Carmel, etc could field 2 very competitive varsity teams if they so wanted to.

TD- You obviously know I respect your opinion and the CG football program, but it wasn’t long ago that Cathedral had guys like Markese Stepp, Emil Ekiyor, Ben Stewart, and Pete Werner all hurt simultaneously and throughout the course of the year when you claimed, “you are what your record says you”. Now do I think CG is better then the 1-4 record next to their name? Sure. But at some point injuries are what they are.

Trust me, just a biased opinion. But I’ve been more impressed with Cathedral’s balance and ability to move the ball against a much, much tougher schedule than New Pal. I just watched Cathedral score times 4 times from 50+ yards against one of the better teams in the nation in St. Xavier.

Yes I believe Chatard is the best team in 3A as well as the best pound for pound team in the state. They don’t mean the same thing.

Certainly within your opinion but again that doesn’t quantify “pound for pound”, I don’t think you get what that means. 80% of those schools have 3-4x the enrollment of Chatard and I too would expect them to beat Chatard more times than not. But relative to Chatard’s enrollment, I think they are “pound for pound” the best team in the state.

I don’t think there’s “quite a few teams” whose best 11 are better than Chatard’s best 11. I do think there are a handful of teams who have better 12-30’s and that’s where football games are won and lost (see my comments about depth above). That’s not what that means but ok.

No there’s no formula. It’s an old boxing expression. Someone like Floyd Mayweather is widely considered to be one the best “pound for pound” fighters of all-time. But as 155 lb boxer he would get whooped by any below average heavyweight and rightfully so.