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    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    4 hours ago, Miner_Pride said:

    Thank you sir....  I know my notoriously long posts can be tedious at times...but I am a man of information LOL.   I loved doing all that just got to where I was playing catch-up with everything life deals out.   I will work this off-season trying to get all my files updated to where I can get back to those times.   

    Holding you to this. I miss you in 1A....not Linton so much. 😂

    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    51 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

    I think Providence and Park Tudor have shown over the years they are right where they belong. This year was an up year, but they have ebbed and flowed just like their Public school counterparts.

    Did park Tudor just come down from 2A? I know Providence did. This is thier 1st cycle in 1A that I can remember and they lost to state Champs in regional both years. 

    Two State Championships in the Success Factor Era

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    8 minutes ago, Just a dad said:

    I encourage everyone to go and take a look at a little 1A public school team in Pittsburgh (Aliquippa) that voluntarily plays at the 3A level. They have won multiple 3A titles and, after being success factored up to 4A, won another state title. They were on the verge of being success factored up again to 5A (6A is the largest PA classification). They were prepared to sue the state to keep them at 4A. Again, this is a 1A public school. They also have 3 former players who are in the NFL HOF. This is a town and school that lives and breathes football. It permeates the culture. Nearly every kid dreams of playing for the HS team from the time they can understand what it means. This is a school of about 120 kids (boys and girls combined) playing and winning at 4A. 

    Success factor works until it doesn’t. There will always be people with a good case for why any system is “unfair” (hint: nothing is perfect). The Aliquippa story is why I will continuously shake my head and laugh when people want to use success factor to punish teams while not looking inward at their programs to see what is broken. Again, this is a public school. Single A. Punches well above its weight. Why? Take some time and read up on them. What you will find is that it is 100% because of the kids drive and desire to be champions even against the toughest of odds. 

    Even if you think I am a buffoon for my reasoning (you won’t be the first and my feeling won’t be hurt), read up on this school and team, it’s a great story. 

    It matters nothing to me if it's private or public. It really don't. Privates just happen to be the 1A bully most of the century and that's what I know/follow. I think there are cases where you just gotta sit a team down and say you've proved your point here....try going to Xa class for a bit. We can reevaluate if you guys can't hack it. Again....my stuff is mostly about 1A. You big boys are outta my knowledge pool

    Two State Championships in the Success Factor Era

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    51 minutes ago, foxbat said:

    LCC ended up not playing 1A teams more recently because they got booted out of Hoosier Heartland, which at the time was an all-1A conference, and ended up in the Hoosier which only had a single 1A team at the time that LCC entered ... Sheridan ... which had spent the better part of a dozen years as the only 1A school in the Hoosier.  Sheridan simultaneously departed the Hoosier and went to the old conference that LCC had been booted out of.  In the time that Sheridan was the only 1A team in the Hoosier, they amassed three outright or shared HC titles, along with three blue rings, one red ring, two regional titles, and a sectional title.

    Incidentally, I think Pioneer's success gets eclipsed due to LCC.  If you look at how many seasons LCC and Pioneer finished #1/#2 or both in top four and ended each other's seasons, I think Pioneer would be in the discussion as much as Sheridan and LCC.  With that said, like Sheridan, Pioneer's dynasty implications have diminished more recently.

    I first heard of LCC when they pounded Perry Central in 1999. So all i rememeber is LCC being the 1A bully. Haha. Now its Lutheran and im sure starting next year possibly Providence or Park Tudor if enrollment doesnt push em back up. 99 is close to when I started really following the sport (graduated in 04). I agree with alot of what this board would change with SF. I hope it happens. I know how I'd do it but it just leads to arguments. 

    Two State Championships in the Success Factor Era

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    22 minutes ago, MHSTigerFan said:

    I don’t think they should do it at all, really.  Just let teams compete and let the chips fall where they may.

    But, if they’re going to do it, they need to figure out a way around the problem of a team having an uncharacteristic run of success based on an abnormally good class or two.  That kind of shafts the normal classes that come up behind them.

    So what about the opposite problem? When a team is more then just a good player or class. LCC and Lutheran don't play a single 1A team and im sure both know neither would. Both routinely punch above their class. Lutheran beat #1 2A by 30. Do you just say "you've proved your above it....stay in 2A until your team has a win % around .300 over a 4 yr span"? 

    Also before someone starts giving a history lesson im just listing them 2 since they have been only teams just have these types of dynasties since I've paid close attention. Sheridan was before my time and if Linton could've got over the hump more im sure I'd mention them too. 

    Temp's 1A Tournament Predictions

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    1 hour ago, kdets89 said:

    Each of the 4 regional games this weekend is a rematch from last year.  When was the last time that happened, and will the results be the same?

    Harrell Predictions:

    North Judson over Park Tudor, 35-28:  Was D.J. Gordon available for this game last year?  Can North Judson shut him down this year?

    Adams Central over Carroll, 31-24:  What does Carroll have to do to pull off the upset?

    Sheridan over North Decatur, 31-24:  Only prediction I disagree with.  Game is at Sheridan, so if you're traveling from Greensburg, make sure all your taillights work, your license plate is current and keep it under the speed limit once you hit the Sheridan line.

    Lutheran over Providence, 38-24:  Providence is having a great year, but has their schedule prepared them for the Saints?

    What sectional prepares a 1A team for the Saints?

    Temp's 1A Tournament Predictions

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    49 minutes ago, DecCoFan said:

    With regional and semi state coming, could Providence or North Decatur beat Lutheran or still just the Lutheran show? With North Decatur win last night, i dont think Sheridan will be much of a game

    I watched Providence live last night. Good team. Decent size. Difference is I don't think they have any advantages over Lutheran. Threw 4 TDs. Providence killed Valley with speed and spacing. I dont think Lutheran is gonna care. They didn't run ball at Valley much but when they did it wasn't all that successful. Valley threw 4 INTs....had a punt blocked....just a disaster of a game. I'll take Lutheran. 

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