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6A: Carmel Vs Ben Davis

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4A: Delta Vs Mooresville

3A: Bishop Chatard Vs Heritage Hills

2A: Pioneer Vs Linton-Stockton

1A: Lutheran Vs Southwood

6 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

First conference championship in football EVER at North Central, and it's the first team out of the MIC "Big Four" to win a conference title, too. Very rarely have NC, LN, LC, or Pike (or THN and THS for that matter) flirted with the conference title. Even though it was shared with BD, Warren, and Carmel, it's significant.

Really proud of Ben Davis. Wish they had not stubbed their toe against LC. I think the Giants are still playing their best football, and I'll be honest...I never saw them beating Warren, Carmel, and NC after the way they played against Avon and Center Grove. That's why they play the games, though. Jason Simmons should get some credit for keeping his team focused. When they're on, they'll be a tough out in the tournament.

If the Giants play a game they’re capable of playing, I think they can win the regional and therefore, take themselves all the way to LOS.

3 hours ago, DT said:

New Pal and it's on campus football factory have severely damaged the competitive balance in the Hoosier Heritage Conference

New Pal clearly does not share the same philosophy towards football as does the other 7 schools In the conference.  The results of the past several seasons are clear indication of this fact

If the Dragons will not leave on their own to pursue a better competitive fit, the HHC should ask them to do so, and in a hurry.   The current situation is unhealthy for both sides.  

 

The issue with this is that New Pal is only dominant in football.  The other sports are quite even, though New Pal did make it to the Regional Championship in basketball against Ben Davis last year.

I do agree though that the possibility exists that New Pal, Greenfield and Mt Vernon could outgrow the conference as more and more people move into Hancock County.  Mt. Vernon will eventually be one of the largest schools in the state.

11 minutes ago, Olympian06 said:

What type of offense does CG run? Are they a run heavy team? 

They are run heavy and run the Wing T, but have a more than capable air it out QB.

CG is the best team in this sectional and should win by 2 TD even without Carson Steele.

35-21 Trojans

CG crowd was tiny tonight.  First time I’ve ever seen them not have a student section.

On 7/10/2019 at 11:40 PM, DT said:

North Central wins the MIC in 2019.  

 

Kevin O'Shea is a miracle worker

 

You were certainly correct, but they had to share the love with BD, Carmel and WC.  Great for them, I’m sure though they’d have preferred to win it outright against BD tonight.

What is everyone’s thought on how Kentucky does it for basketball?  They break into 16 regions, all single class.  Football should never be single class, but breaking into regions and no conferences, I could get behind that.

Obviously though I love the MIC and don’t want to see it go away.

4 hours ago, DT said:

He'd be a great choice to get that BD program turned around.  

I’m not sure how BD is doing poor?  If they win this weekend they’ll win the MIC with a relatively young team.  They’re a favorite to win the sectional.  If they need to have their program turned around, you’re essentially saying the entire MIC needs an overhaul.  I knew this BD team would need to rebuild in 18 and 19.  They’ll be one of the best in 2020, no doubt.  Just as long as they don’t beat the Hounds.

2 state titles in 5 years.  Not shabby.  

CG 1 

Carmel 1

WC 1

Other 28 6A programs, 0

Attendance certainly already struggles, but I don’t see neutral sites being a viable option, because keep in mind, Saturday games at places such as Carmel aren’t going to be an option.  JV/Freshman games, then our marching band always uses this as a rehearsal facility for a few hours as well.  If you’re going to tell the current 3-time National Champions they can’t use their football stadium for a neutral site game between Lafayette Jeff and Bloomington South, yikes I can’t imagine the war.

3 hours ago, AG said:

It's been well known for a couple of years that the 2020 class in Indiana as a whole is weak. This is following a 2019 class that was one of the best in state history with 8+ 4* recruits. This year there are two 4* recruits in the entire state.

Agree.  You can definitely see the effect up here.  Happens about once/decade.

4 hours ago, DT said:

Nice players

Taylor is a DB and George a PWO who will never see the field at Alabama.  Somebody gave him some bad advice.  Could have been a 3 year starter at Western Michigan and had a shot at the pros while developing an NFL body in college.  

 

Taylor is only a non-QB at the college level because of his height.  There’s also Kyle Castner who played at Columbia and was 4 completions away from the state record and led the Giants to a state title in 14.  Marqueis Gray was a D1 prospect and played QB at Minnesota and in the NFL transitioned to a TE.  I think with the type of athlete the MIC produces it’s OK that a majority of the D1 athletes aren’t QB’s.  MIC produces a lot of speed.

58 minutes ago, DT said:

Interesting how The HCC is having success developing D1 quarterbacks while The MIC is not

 

The MIC just graduated Reese Taylor and Jayden George.  Reese Taylor has been mentioned in “best athlete in Indiana” discussions.

Maybe the MIC should be contracted...

3 hours ago, DT said:

The recruiting services tell a different story.

Ben Davis has been producing fewer and fewer high level D1 players over the past decade.  

Center grove typically does not have Top 15 talent, but they will have a lot of guys in the Top 50.  That's why you see so many CG players go to The MAC, the academies or to IU.  

Warren has dominated the Top 15, but has none in the 2020 list.  Is that a one year blip, or a sign of the pool going dry?  Or somewhere in between?  

The recruiting services don't lie, and they don't play favorites.  

Recruiting services don’t lie and don’t play favorites, but it doesn’t matter.  Giants might be getting less and less talent each year, but they still have won 2 titles in the last 5 years over Penn and Carmel by a combined score of 105-38.  CG has a title, Warren has a title and Carmel has a title in that same time span.

Avon 0, Brownsburg 0, HSE 0.  Fishers is the l my school from the HCC to win the big school title and that was 9 years ago.

6 minutes ago, cg_holmeaid said:

I bet I could name a couple state title teams with top 15 talent, and without that talent wouldn’t have won. I’d say that to some degree having top 15 talent is needed to win state.

Many times yes, but teams certainly can win without.  I’ve seen a number of Center Grove and Penn teams in the early 2000’s just be really solid as a team with 0 D1 players.  FJ Reitz is another team, didn’t win the title because of James Banks and company but went to the semi-state with 0 D1 talent.  Take BD out of the equation that year and it’s possible that Reitz wins the whole thing.

End of day, to say the talent pool is dried up or dropping off at three INCREDIBLE football programs is asinine at best...

To day that the MIC as a conference is declining after one year of rebuilding is also, asinine at best...

Since 6A was developed it’s only been a 4-team race, every single year.  But since you’re on one, 2016 Carmel didn’t have superstars if I remember right, though I was gone on a media trip all fall long.  You’re also giving a 6-year window.  Even if not, I can go right over to our neighbor and show you multiple 8A champs who haven’t had top 15 players.  I know, you asked 6A.  My original point was, you DO NOT need to have a top 15 player to win a title in this state.  I’m certain of this.

Please don't ever ever again call me son, it’s disrespectful.  Plus, I’m probably years older than you.

1 minute ago, Temptation said:

A team that WON state genius.  If you don’t think a 6A team needs a top 15 player/talent to win a title, you’re beyond my help.  You stated so yourself.

2019 might break that trend due to the parity/mediocrity of the class.

But you didn’t say that, I’m only answering the question that’s given to me...

I know a number of coaches who have won state titles without top 15 players and I trust that my time in this game is much further advanced than yours would be.

5 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Please show me a year where a 6A team did NOT have a top 15 player in the STATE...

That’s easy, EVERY YEAR.  

 - There are 32 teams, meaning at least 17 teams will not have a top 15 player.

23 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Add Rivals to the list of those “spreading the narrative”, lol.  So uncredible.

Man you are in DENIAL.  

Rivals has nothing to do with the talent of a team.  You don’t need a top 15 player to win a title.

My post was a rebuttal that the HCC has been better for the last 5 years.  It hasn’t.  From top to bottom it’s not even better this year as the Sagarin shows.  They might win 6A this year, but guaranteed this is one year only, at least for the next few years.  The MIC will dominate again next year.  I’m confident in what I say.  No need to deny over here.  

20 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Clearly, all these teams are ready for contraction.🤓

I concur.

Carmel also needs to go since they may not even win the conference with having better talent than CG/WC/BD.  Contract.

Loser gets contracted

BTW, did you know that the majority of the HCC has been in the largest class since 2003 and the suburb movement started happening nearly 20 years ago? 

Here we are though, still with a MIC conference that has won 17 of the last 20 titles.

The MIC is allowed to have down years.  2010 for example, Sagarin ratings of:

Carmel 2 (Lost sectional semi)

Warren Central 3 (Lost sectional round 1)

Center Grove 15 (Lost sectional round 1)

Ben Davis 19 (Lost sectional round 1)

Lawrence North 34 (Lost sectional semi)

Terre Haute North 52 (Lost sectional semi)

North Central 62 (Lost sectional round 1)

Terre Haute South 75 (Lost sectional round 1)

Average of 32.75, a far cry from this year’s average of 14.375.  Still ahead of the HCC 16.625

The MIC didn’t die die in 2010, it just came back stronger.  2019 might be down to the standards but the conference is young.  Mark my words.  2020 the conference will be strong again, and CG probably wins the title, possibly even back to back, especially seeing as Avon and Brownsburg lose a lot of talent and will take a step back.

Should be fun watching the back peddling next year.  

49 minutes ago, DT said:

https://n.rivals.com/state_rankings/2020/indiana

I cannot recall the last time I didnt see a player from Ben Davis, Warren or Center Grove on the Indiana Top 15 recruiting list.

The narrative floating around this forum is that The MIC is drying up and The HCC is on the rise.  Carmel has 2 players on the list representing the MIC, while Noblesville and Brownburg rep The HCC.

The bigger question is....

Is this the new norm, or just a temporary downturn in talent.  Lawrence Central has been a regular contributor to this list over the past decade as well.  

Bottom line, Carmel continues to pace The MIC when it comes to churning out high level D1 talent.  BD/WC/CG have slipped.  The HCC is catching up, and may have passed the MIC if one were to look at the past 5 years, especially with the skill position talent we have seen come out of The HCC.

 

 

That narrative comes from 2 people on this forum, you and Temptation.  Stop that nonsense.

Carmel has great athletes but end of day we aren’t in control of our own destiny.  Ben Davis and North Central sure are though, so the most talented football conference in the state has BD and NC sitting at the top dueling it out this weekend for the MIC title with potentially Carmel and Warren Central also in the mix.  

Center Grove is very young, Ben Davis is still young and Warren Central just graduated 40+ seniors from last year’s team.  Warren will be just fine.  BD will be just fine.  CG will be just fine.  You’re trying to stir up the notion that these three teams are doomed and they’re not.  These 3 teams have all won state titles in the last 4 years with Carmel sandwiched in between.  

No denying the HCC has talent, but you’re talking out of you know where.  

3 hours ago, Temptation said:

Now you’re putting words in my mouth.  Never called out Mike, nor anyone else.  Just giving an example of why some coaches move on these days and pop up at other places.  YOU brought a specific name into it...as did BDGiant.

Nice job with the MIC hyperbole too.  Many, everything is all or nothing with you.

I’m putting words into your mouth?  Lol who else could you be talking about?  Stop talking as if you’re the victim.  It’s nonsense.

8 hours ago, DT said:

 

Wow

Carmel 28 WC 0 Q4