End of Half penalties

[SoIndRef]

How would a penalty be enforced for a punt, after the kick has ended and both teams commit a foul AND clock has expired to end the half.  

[Bobref]

5 hours ago, SoIndRef said:

How would a penalty be enforced for a punt, after the kick has ended and both teams commit a foul AND clock has expired to end the half.  

Need a little more information. You say the teams fouled “after the kick has ended.” Was the ball still alive when the fouls were committed, or were these dead ball fouls? And what were the fouls each team committed?

Edited August 24, 2024 by Bobref

[SoIndRef]

There was a block in the back on R, then a facemask on K, all during the return. 

[JustRules]

35 minutes ago, SoIndRef said:

There was a block in the back on R, then a facemask on K, all during the return. 

R got the ball with clean hands so they can decline the K foul for the facemask to keep the ball. Their block in the back could be enforced and there would be an untimed down. K has the choice of declining that block in the back and the half would end. If R chooses to accept K's foul this would result in a double foul. The penalties would offset, and we would replay 4th down with an untimed down. It's possible R does this to force another punt and a possible return. If they are ready to go to half then they may decline and the half is likely over. I doubt K would accept to give R a free down regardless of where it is.

[SoIndRef]

On 8/24/2024 at 7:27 PM, JustRules said:

R got the ball with clean hands so they can decline the K foul for the facemask to keep the ball. Their block in the back could be enforced and there would be an untimed down. K has the choice of declining that block in the back and the half would end. If R chooses to accept K's foul this would result in a double foul. The penalties would offset, and we would replay 4th down with an untimed down. It's possible R does this to force another punt and a possible return. If they are ready to go to half then they may decline and the half is likely over. I doubt K would accept to give R a free down regardless of where it is.

So by accepting the penalty by R, the half would end?  Even if R were to accept the penalty for the facemask?

[Bobref]

4 hours ago, SoIndRef said:

So by accepting the penalty by R, the half would end?  Even if R were to accept the penalty for the facemask?

That would create a double foul, requiring replay of the down, and the replayed 4th down would be an untimed extension of the period.

[JustRules]

17 hours ago, SoIndRef said:

So by accepting the penalty by R, the half would end?  Even if R were to accept the penalty for the facemask?

R has first choice since they have the ball at the end of the down and did not foul before gaining possession. If they accept K's foul, K has no option and the half is extended for an untimed down. If R declines K's foul, then K has options. If they accept R's foul then the half is extended and R gets one untimed down after penalty enforcement. I doubt K would take that option. If they decline then the half is over because there is no accepted penalty.

Ultimately R can choose to replay the down (I assume K would just take a knee to end the half) or allow the half to end. As the R I would push to have the latter option happen because there will be no meaningful play regardless. If it's the end of the game, and R is behind by less than a score, they may want to force K to snap it in case they muff the snap and they could get a scoop and score.

Edited August 28, 2024 by JustRules