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JustRules

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  1. I'll add the "approximately parallel" portion as well. Sometimes you have a tackle or maybe wideout who is angled in or out especially on a trick play.
  2. I tried to go back and find the play by play in a box score but haven't found one yet. I know the announced said they voided the play, but the R's announcement was not heard on the broadcast. I thought the ball was snapped at the succeeding spot with no clock adjustment. They treated it as if the penalty for illegal substitution was declined. The replays I saw I didn't see an IU player sub so I assumed the Center Judge reacted to seeing the defense subbing and assumed the offense had subbed. The R pushed him back because there was no substitution. If that was true the mistake was attempting to prevent IU from snapping the ball. A friend said IU did sub one player so the Center Judge was right to hold up the play but he should have stayed until Illinois completed their sub. Illinois was being slow in their sub and if IU didn't like being held up they shouldn't have subbed. If the latter is what happened it's possible the flagged was picked up (would have been declined anyway) and they went with the result of the play. It's also possible it happened as you said it with going back to the previous spot and previous clock, but that's now how I remember it at the time. Regardless the officials made a mistake on how they handled the play. It was a crazy situation.
  3. Agree and good suggestion on this being brought up in the pre-game meeting. If he's got his arms up approaching the sideline he's giving the indication there is a problem and the snap is not imminent. That's where they got in trouble. If the QB was just moving sideways without indicating a problem then this can be done. Kudos to this crew for understanding the rule and getting it right. The rule book talks about deception and says there are ways to legally deceive. But non-football acts like this are not allowed.
  4. The R probably could have dropped a flag after the discussion and then signaled the foul but would that have made you feel any better about it. I wonder what information the wing and R had that mad them realize they missed it. The rule currently states you need to have no more than 4 in the backfield. It doesn't say you have to have 7 on the line. It could be a foul for illegal number (same signal as illegal formation) if you have 10 players in the game with 6 on the line and 4 of them in ineligible numbers. This could be easily missed but if you didn't catch it before the snap I'm not sure how you realize you missed it when the team is lined up for a try. If there were 11 players with 6 on the line and 5 in the backfield, hopefully the other wing got involved in the conversation and they discussed what they had for backs and realized they did have 5. If they were right I agree with Bob. Better to look ugly and get it right than be ugly and get it wrong.
  5. They pick good plays as well! Your goal should be to provide an example of GREAT mechanics!
  6. You see that play occasionally. You only see video of the ones that work. I imagine it fails much more often. Would love to see a blooper version of this play.
  7. I would have also considered resetting the game clock to what it would have been with 25 seconds left. The mistake of the clock operator and the crew to recognize it ealier cost the defense an additional 10 seconds of game clock time. That's better than 25 seconds but still a significant difference late in a half. In many states the clock operators and chain crew are part of the crew and provided by new or retired officials. We should all consider ourselves part of the same team.
  8. They have their own shortage issues so they get it. They still get heated during games because it's emotional and they put so much into it. We put time into it, but we our livelihood is not based on the actions or decisions of 16-17 year olds. One thing we can do better as officials is communication with coaches. Anticipate what they may want before they want it. For example, at the start of a series late in the half, let your coach know you will look to him after every play in case he wants to call a time out.
  9. I believe he had the UNS on the spike as well. Two UNS is an automatic ejection. He's out next week as well. Hopefully a good lesson learned for him. He looks like a great player.
  10. Yes it's arbitrary but it should be flagged. He's giving you a nice break if he doesn't flag it. I've now seen the play and what he did for the second foul was not a simple first down signal. It was a delayed action that completely warranted a flag. That was a no-brainer. Complaining about it in an online forum and the announcers giving their opinion of the call contribute to the constant lack of respect given to officials when they are doing their job correctly. The announcers were flat wrong but non-officials listening to them treat them as authorities and assume the crew was wrong. This gives fans fuel to complain about it as well.
  11. Yes. If you can get to him quickly and shut it down you may make it a talk-to with a stern warning. Celebrate with teammates or get to your sideline. HS rules generally don't tolerate much like NFL and to a lesser extent NCAA do. Signaling first down is calling attention to yourself even if you aren't doing it toward your opponent. Don't want to force the official to make a decision on something like that then don't do it. But if you they flag it you only have yourself to blame.
  12. It's even more specifically mentioned. I don't have my rule book handy, but I know it's there.
  13. Not sure why they chose to pick up the flag. But if the game clock is an issue toward the end of a half I would not start the game clock until the snap because it's not equitable to let the offense burn 65 seconds between plays. This is a good example where the referee can apply the rule that allows them to start or stop the clock if they feel a team would gain an advantage otherwise.
  14. This could be a huge source of help in addressing this issue. We have half our population we haven't tapped into yet. There is nothing about this that makes it easier for men than women to do. Size is not an issue as there are several small male officials. Having played the game is not an issue as I know several very good officials who never played. We need to find a way to market this to women and get more involved.
  15. Why else would anyone care if they get a 1099? It actually makes it easier. I don't have to keep track of my weekly checks (other than to verify the 1099 is right). I know a lot of officials who don't report income.
  16. I hope having to report officiating income is not a deterrent to doing this. I've been reporting my income since I started. Not doing it doesn't say much for the integrity of the official. Especially since once you factor in mileage, dues, clinics, and equipment you usually have very literal income to report.
  17. Only worked sectional games and have never been told we had to throw out anything that isn't Wilson. The information shared from the bulletin is always how I've understood it. WIlsons are recommended but not required the first three rounds.
  18. I've heard opinions both ways on lamination from coaches. Some like to make notes on the card during or after the game but lamination prevents them from doing that. The sweat/rain thing is valid the other way. Do what makes sense for your crew and realize some will like it and some won't. It won't have an impact on your rating. Any kind of card is very helpful and shows you made some attempt at preparation as well.
  19. You are correct, but this was the intent of the rules committee when they passed the rule. It just didn't make it clearly in the final draft of the rule. I believe the NFHS has also posted this interpretation and they plan to clarify it next year in the rule. It's a side effect of the rule allowing someone other than the person who originally received the snap to legally dump the ball prior to losing player possession. They opened up this loophole. They also allowed a RB on a sweep to be able to dump the ball if he's at risk of losing yardage. I don't expect either of these to happen often, but it would be much more logical to only allow the original snap receiver to do this.
  20. It really just changed the location of the low block from the knee to the thigh. Most blocks that contact the thigh are intended to be cuts. This is how the rule should have always been written. Not sure why they went with the knee or below since all other rule sets match this one.
  21. How far away is that Applebees? The fastest game with mercy rule I've worked is still an hour and 50 minutes. If the second half is 25 minutes (2 12 minute quarters plus a one minute quarter break) that means it took almost 90 minutes for you to get to the Applebees and place your order. It maybe shortens the game average about 15-20 minutes because the first half with the blowout can be longer than average with all the scoring.
  22. Getting a bad vote because you enforced a uniform or sideline rule may make a difference between a first or second round assignment or getting a first round game. In a few rare cases it could separate a second round crew from a sectional final crew. Also keep in mind every crew in that mix probably has bad votes for they would consider "silly" reasons. So there is no guarantee the order would change significantly if they threw out all requests for these bad votes. The crews advancing to the regional round and beyond are largely due to a VOLUME of votes. Yes you can get some volume by working a larger variety of schools around the state. But the biggest reason for getting a larger volume of votes is by having a crew member (especially referee/crew chief) who is well known by a large number of coaches and/or ADs. These officials often work deep into the basketball and/or baseball tournaments. Other sports can impact as well but to a much lesser extent. Some are current or former coaches/school administrators. This is the product of the nature of the vote process. Each AD accesses the voting ballots and sees a list of those they can vote for. Prior to last year they would see all crew chiefs that applied for the tournament. Last year they limited it to crews the IHSAA had on file who had worked that school's games in the last 3 years. This has a chance to upset the historical benefit the veteran crews have received. We'll see how it plays out going forward. I agree with the earlier poster who says the regional round is often the backlog. The IHSAA did do something last year where the crews who had worked a state final the previous year would only work 2 rounds rather than the 3 rounds they were eligible to work to allow more crews to work the sectional final round making more eligible crews next year for the regional round. This shows the IHSAA is thinking about ways to create more eligible crews for later rounds and giving them that opportunity. Time will tell how this plays out in practice.
  23. Several scrimmages like this over the summer. Teams are allowed up to 5 competitions which include 7v7 or thud scrimmages. Many are done at camps as well. Sometimes the schools get officials involved. They don't pay, but it's good opportunity for officials to knock the rest off and prepare for the season. I know Brebeuf is hosting a 4-team scrimmage tomorrow and the IOA will have several members of their new officials class there to help them. These scrimmages are great for new officials to get some snaps.
  24. Texas and Georgia pay almost twice what we are paid in Indiana. They have similar shortages. That's why I don't think pay is ultimately a huge factor. It may have an impact on the short term but that's it.
  25. Much easier to say nothing is allowed than to try to legislate what comments are OK and which aren't and what paint style is OK and which aren't. I would be fine if they got rid of the rule, but I get why they took this approach. Pretty easy to comply.
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