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I think you're talking about John Harrell's game predictions, not Jeff Sagarin. You mean the ones he used to have in the game capsules, right? Like this from a previous season, right? Andrean (4-2) at Munster (3-3) GAME TIME: 7 pm CT, Mustang Field. COACHES: Chris Skinner, 60-23 in 7th year at Andrean. Jason Grunewald, 9-38 in 5th year at Munster. SAGARIN RATINGS: Andrean, 66.78, 73rd overall, 6th in 2A. Munster, 36.38, 208th overall, 30th in 5A. LAST OUTING: Andrean defeated Hobart, 24-17. Munster lost to Highland, 12-7. VS. COMMON FOES: Andrean 2-0; Munster 1-1. OPPONENTS' RECORDS: Andrean 17-13. Munster 12-24. SERIES LAST 35 YEARS: Andrean, 21-6 LAST MEETING: Andrean, 42-13, Oct. 1, 2021. jh PREDICTION: Andrean, 42-10.

Just a fad or here to stay? Will co-ops or possible school consolidations make 8-man a less desirable format?

I mean he did go to Reitz... How long does it take AI to edit it for you?

Eight-Man Teams Waldron Mohawks Morristown Jackets Indiana Deaf Orioles Wabash Apaches Greenwood Christian Hawks Union (Dugger) Bulldogs Tri-State Crusaders Kosciusko Thunder South Newton Rebels For all your eight-man news and discussions!

You know how long it takes me to edit that audio?

Greenfield Central playing Alexandria and only winning by a score

Just don't forget where you post your Coach Hart show.

General PAC discussion here....weekly predicions in the weekly threads. Or at least that is how it's been done for the last 10 years or so.

Put your $ where your mouth is. Post your Top 10!

Not sure whether we are supposed to talk about that over here, on the Week 1 PAC Thread or Week 2 PAC Thread? @Titan32?

Yeah....was cringy seeing folks post that play on twitter....I had to look away.

Fine. I'll move my stuff over here. Predictor Tool (using Sagarin ratings, so in-state only) Boonville is a 14.0-point favorite at Mt. Vern. (Posey) with a 2.2-point HFA. Boonville 74.55%, Mt. Vern. (Posey) 25.45%. 2026 Forest Park is a 10.0-point favorite at Perry Central with a 2.2-point HFA. Forest Park 68.3%, 2026 Perry Central 31.7%. Princeton is a 10.0-point favorite hosting Pike Central with a 2.2-point HFA. Princeton 68.3%, Pike Central 31.7%. North Posey is a 8.5-point favorite hosting Tecumseh with a 2.2-point HFA. North Posey 65.76%, Tecumseh 34.24%. Southridge is a 10.5-point favorite hosting Washington with a 2.2-point HFA. Southridge 69.12%, Washington 30.88% Tell City is a 2.5-point favorite hosting W. Washington with a 2.2-point HFA. Tell City 54.78%, W. Washington 45.22%.

Is a hook-and-ladder a trick play? Just putting it on tape to keep better teams honest. I'm more worried about offsides penalties and HH's inability to block/kick XPs.

Fun start to the season for the TRC. Northfield beats North Miami. Maconaquah with an impressive win, and Cass with an impressive showing even though they couldn't quite beat the defending 1A North Champs. Who ya got for Week 2 Friday, Aug. 28 Cass at Northfield ©, 7 pm Maconaquah at Carroll, 7 pm Madison-Grant at Southwood, 7 pm Northwestern at Eastern, 7 pm Peru at Whitko ©, 7 pm Rochester at Tippecanoe Valley, 7 pm Tipton at Manchester, 7 pm

Need a new thread every week....appears as if we have more content LOL

IFCA Week 2 Poll 5A: 4. Castle 15. North 4A: 15. Reitz 3A: 1. Memorial (8) 6. Mater Dei

Do we really need a new thread for this? Why can't we keep it in the 2026 PAC thread?

Not on ours. Although Memorial's roster has a distinct Bosse flair in the TD column this week. Not the mention the southern accent in Northern Spencer county.

Andrean at Luers - Knights by 7. Luers is scheduling two tough opponents to start the season in preparation for another postseason run. Carroll at Center Grove - Chargers by 1. Is this finally the year Carroll gets past the Trojans? Decatur Central at Wayne - Hawks by many. It could be back-to-back shutouts for the Generals. East Noble at Snider - Panthers by 3. There’s no way Snider is losing the opening game in its new stadium after waiting forever to get it built. Concordia at Eastside - Cadets by 10 over Eastbrook. Fortunately, they don't actually play Eastside. Dwenger at St. Francis De Sales (Ohio) - Saints 7–0 in OT. The Saints will try to wear down every opponent this year and then win every game in overtime. North Side at New Haven - North Side by 14. The Legends bounce back with a win. Northrop at Warsaw - Bruins by 7. Northrop vows not to let the Tigers run all over them like they did against Snider last week. South Side at St. Joseph - Huskies by 10. Great start by the Archers last week, but St. Joe's could be a tough matchup. Noblesville at Homestead - Millers by 17. If Sparty is looking for an upset, the defense will have to step up this week.

Man, good on Elkhart for that game.

"Practice? You're talkin' 'bout practice!?" Fair fair. So is HH's out-of-state competition going to help/hurt its Sagarin rating this year? "Recruits" -- noticing more and more Westside Catholic names on certain rosters which are supposedly cornfed and bred boys from the sticks...

Massey: Boonville 31 Mt. Vermon 14 81% Forest park 36 Perry Central 14 89% Heritage Hills 42 Owensboro Appolo 34 64% Pike Central 20 Princeton 40 81% South Spencer 27 Eminence KY 28 50% Techumseh 14 North Posey 36 88% Washington 14 Southridge 38 87% West Washington 20 Tell City 34 73% St. Pius (Mo) 20 Gibson Southern 38 78%

Friday, Aug. 28 Boonville at Mount Vernon ©, 7 pm Forest Park at Perry Central, 6:30 pm Heritage Hills at Owensboro Apollo (Ky.), 7 pm Pike Central at Princeton, 6:30 pm South Spencer at Eminence (Ky.), 7 pm Tecumseh at North Posey ©, 7 pm Washington at Southridge ©, 6 pm West Washington at Tell City, 6:30 pm Saturday, Aug. 29 St. Pius (Mo.) at Gibson Southern, 6 pm

Here's the 1A according to http://sagarin.com/sports/hsfsend.htm Click on the "2025" below SAGARIN RATINGS 6 1A = 45.17 Indiana High School Football 2026 through August 22 Saturday - Week 1 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 64 | PREDICTOR | GOLDEN_MEAN | RECENT | STRONG RECENT HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] 52 North Judson 1A= 73.54 1 0 56.28( 163) 0 0 | 0 0 | 73.38 57 | 69.32 80 | 78.51 29 | 88.61 19 1A 80 Riverton Parke 1A= 69.33 1 0 58.63( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.39 84 | 68.26 87 | 69.96 70 | 76.27 59 1A 92 Pioneer 1A= 67.59 1 0 61.22( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.03 100 | 70.85 62 | 64.99 106 | 65.87 110 1A 105 Milan 1A= 65.48 1 0 40.00( 258) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.65 103 | 61.87 122 | 68.03 83 | 79.08 48 1A 116 Carroll (Flora) 1A= 63.47 1 0 50.13( 196) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.35 120 | 64.31 110 | 62.70 118 | 67.82 99 1A 118 Tri 1A= 63.30 1 0 28.22( 291) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.43 115 | 60.86 131 | 64.63 109 | 76.02 61 1A 120 Wes-Del 1A= 62.69 1 0 32.43( 285) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.60 113 | 56.35 164 | 67.72 88 | 79.93 41 1A 122 South Adams 1A= 62.43 0 1 74.63( 40) 0 0 | 0 1 | 63.93 118 | 61.06 129 | 62.32 125 | 57.46 165 1A 127 North Daviess 1A= 61.90 1 0 44.14( 238) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.49 127 | 60.44 134 | 62.81 117 | 71.32 76 1A 136 Cloverdale 1A= 60.52 1 0 39.17( 262) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.04 138 | 59.38 143 | 61.24 133 | 69.28 84 1A 156 North Decatur 1A= 57.52 1 0 34.15( 280) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.52 165 | 59.90 138 | 56.43 169 | 64.77 119 1A 158 Fremont 1A= 57.38 1 0 36.33( 274) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.21 161 | 57.44 157 | 57.75 154 | 66.98 105 1A 174 Madison-Grant 1A= 54.92 1 0 44.49( 234) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.64 187 | 60.47 132 | 51.98 190 | 50.03 196 1A 176 Lafayette CC 1A= 54.85 1 0 28.69( 289) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.14 174 | 53.27 182 | 56.54 168 | 68.04 93 1A 179 Northfield 1A= 54.36 1 0 50.85( 190) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.51 178 | 52.37 189 | 56.61 166 | 62.77 136 1A 180 Caston 1A= 54.25 1 0 34.52( 277) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.98 181 | 53.84 178 | 55.38 177 | 65.26 116 1A 181 Clinton Prairie 1A= 54.21 1 0 46.29( 228) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.43 184 | 54.81 173 | 54.83 180 | 60.10 156 1A 183 Fountain Cent. 1A= 53.91 0 1 58.16( 148) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.32 173 | 50.69 198 | 56.08 171 | 55.95 171 1A 185 Sheridan 1A= 53.29 0 1 62.39( 125) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.90 182 | 52.48 187 | 53.97 186 | 49.68 198 1A 186 Churubusco 1A= 52.75 0 1 68.50( 84) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.90 189 | 56.47 163 | 50.26 206 | 41.63 238 1A 187 Triton 1A= 52.45 0 1 63.69( 115) 0 0 | 0 0 | 53.04 185 | 51.53 194 | 53.33 187 | 48.60 205 1A 188 Tecumseh 1A= 52.19 1 0 34.81( 276) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.38 188 | 50.05 201 | 54.63 182 | 64.08 127 1A 194 Springs Valley 1A= 51.05 0 1 63.95( 113) 0 0 | 0 0 | 51.10 194 | 51.54 193 | 51.14 195 | 46.16 216 1A 206 Southern Wells 1A= 49.00 1 0 36.63( 272) 0 0 | 0 0 | 47.86 214 | 49.68 203 | 50.16 207 | 56.54 169 1A 207 Covington 1A= 48.88 1 0 22.71( 297) 0 0 | 0 0 | 48.76 206 | 46.80 225 | 51.67 192 | 63.99 128 1A 211 North Miami 1A= 48.62 0 1 52.14( 185) 0 0 | 0 0 | 48.66 207 | 50.69 197 | 47.17 226 | 41.00 240 1A 216 W. Washington 1A= 48.18 1 0 24.05( 296) 0 0 | 0 0 | 47.52 218 | 47.66 220 | 50.09 209 | 61.02 149 1A 222 Winamac 1A= 47.41 1 0 39.76( 259) 0 0 | 0 0 | 46.25 226 | 47.71 219 | 49.01 216 | 54.20 178 1A 231 Monroe Central 1A= 45.12 1 0 22.16( 298) 0 0 | 0 0 | 43.91 240 | 45.99 230 | 46.32 230 | 56.82 168 1A 234 Knightstown 1A= 44.77 0 1 53.92( 176) 0 0 | 0 0 | 45.15 230 | 45.69 232 | 44.41 245 | 37.85 255 1A 241 Frontier 1A= 44.07 0 1 51.99( 187) 0 0 | 0 0 | 44.67 235 | 43.73 241 | 44.80 241 | 39.53 250 1A 246 North White 1A= 42.99 1 0 44.13( 239) 0 0 | 0 0 | 42.15 254 | 39.92 265 | 47.30 225 | 55.90 172 1A 248 North Knox 1A= 42.57 0 1 63.96( 112) 0 0 | 0 0 | 42.92 246 | 41.80 255 | 44.04 247 | 36.89 261 1A 249 Southwood 1A= 42.45 0 1 72.53( 60) 0 0 | 0 0 | 42.56 251 | 42.05 254 | 43.80 248 | 35.68 265 1A 250 N.Cent. (Farm.) 1A= 42.45 1 0 32.74( 284) 0 0 | 0 0 | 40.61 262 | 45.82 231 | 41.57 258 | 46.92 213 1A 251 Forest Park 1A= 42.42 1 0 44.42( 236) 0 0 | 0 0 | 41.74 257 | 41.18 260 | 45.21 238 | 47.63 210 1A 254 West Central 1A= 41.99 0 1 49.63( 201) 0 0 | 0 0 | 42.77 247 | 42.14 252 | 42.16 253 | 36.97 260 1A 256 Taylor 1A= 41.91 0 1 40.76( 251) 0 0 | 0 0 | 43.31 244 | 44.91 237 | 37.85 273 | 29.24 281 1A 263 Clinton Central 1A= 40.15 1 0 34.31( 279) 0 0 | 0 0 | 38.74 267 | 43.53 242 | 38.93 268 | 41.38 239 1A 268 Parke Heritage 1A= 38.23 0 1 43.00( 243) 0 0 | 0 0 | 39.01 266 | 34.60 281 | 41.65 257 | 42.58 233 1A 276 Edinburgh 1A= 36.04 1 0 24.69( 294) 0 0 | 0 0 | 35.05 282 | 37.33 275 | 37.07 275 | 45.44 219 1A 281 S. Central (UM) 1A= 35.04 0 1 59.82( 136) 0 0 | 0 0 | 36.09 278 | 31.87 287 | 37.97 271 | 31.72 278 1A 282 Tri-Central 1A= 34.65 0 1 64.91( 108) 0 0 | 0 0 | 35.98 279 | 39.66 267 | 25.94 300 | 13.72 304 1A 283 Culver 1A= 34.54 0 1 46.51( 224) 0 0 | 0 0 | 36.75 274 | 35.09 280 | 33.02 289 | 23.95 291 1A 284 FW Blackhawk 1A= 34.11 0 1 55.15( 171) 0 0 | 0 0 | 35.79 280 | 34.23 282 | 33.76 287 | 24.53 289 1A 287 Whitko 1A= 32.30 0 1 52.03( 186) 0 0 | 0 0 | 34.56 284 | 32.86 284 | 30.81 294 | 20.93 296 1A 289 South Decatur 1A= 31.93 0 1 55.30( 169) 0 0 | 0 0 | 33.71 287 | 29.76 292 | 33.60 288 | 25.27 286 1A 290 Faith Christian 1A= 31.86 1 0 20.78( 299) 0 0 | 0 0 | 30.89 295 | 30.02 291 | 35.58 278 | 47.21 211 1A 292 N. Vermillion 1A= 30.51 0 1 40.22( 256) 0 0 | 0 0 | 33.00 289 | 27.41 299 | 32.13 291 | 26.78 283 1A 294 Union City 1A= 30.44 0 1 65.52( 101) 0 0 | 0 0 | 32.66 292 | 32.50 286 | 26.93 299 | 15.54 302 1A 296 Crawford County 1A= 29.82 0 1 48.82( 206) 0 0 | 0 0 | 32.52 293 | 28.64 296 | 29.73 295 | 20.47 298 1A 297 North Newton 1A= 29.73 0 1 38.44( 266) 0 0 | 0 0 | 32.72 291 | 28.22 297 | 29.58 296 | 23.95 290 1A 298 Bowman Academy 1A= 29.27 0 0 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | 20.34 310 | 28.78 295 | 35.29 279 | 35.29 266 1A 300 Indy Tindley 1A= 26.91 0 1 38.27( 267) 0 0 | 0 0 | 30.81 296 | 25.84 302 | 24.97 301 | 16.60 301 1A 306 Union County 1A= 24.38 0 1 47.34( 212) 0 0 | 0 0 | 28.40 303 | 23.53 307 | 22.01 307 | 11.51 307 1A 307 Attica 1A= 23.00 0 1 34.08( 281) 0 0 | 0 0 | 28.51 302 | 22.91 308 | 13.59 311 | 1.96 311 1A 309 Tri-County 1A= 20.49 0 1 46.66( 222) 0 0 | 0 0 | 25.56 306 | 20.76 309 | 11.96 313 | -0.36 313 1A 311 Henryville 1A= 19.14 0 1 37.38( 269) 0 0 | 0 0 | 24.45 308 | 16.48 311 | 15.49 310 | 5.44 310 1A 313 Cambridge City 1A= 14.22 0 1 0.00( 0) 0 0 | 0 0 | -4.27 313 | 10.30 313 | 20.97 308 | 20.97 295 1A _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 7 U = 19.56 Indiana High School Football 2026 through August 22 Saturday - Week 1 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 64 | PREDICTOR | GOLDEN_MEAN | RECENT | STRONG RECENT HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] 310 Trinity Lutheran U= 19.56 0 1 42.02( 246) 0 0 | 0 0 | 24.62 307 | 17.20 310 | 16.41 309 | 5.84 309 U _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 8 ***UNRATED*** = -91.00 Indiana High School Football 2026 through August 22 Saturday - Week 1 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 64 | PREDICTOR | GOLDEN_MEAN | RECENT | STRONG RECENT HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] [ 2.22] 314 ***UNRATED*** UR= -91.00 3 2 0.00( 0) 0 1 | 0 1 | -91.00 314 | -91.00 314 | -91.00 314 | -91.00 314 ***UNRATED*** _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ endfile

I am hearing HH wouldn't have beaten Reitz in the scrimmage...anyone else get that kind of input? Better team won last season....we beat teams with "recruits" every year. I know from experience how much sagairn likes when you hang a zero on bad teams....also too bad it doesn't look at out of state games. Some of us work hard to find competition.