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39 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

But why can't South Adams be an "outlier" like the Charard's and Cathedral's of Indiana?  With open enrollment and creative marketing South Adams could be the football factory of northeastern Indiana, right?

 

No, your outliers are P/P schools that can recruit kids in a wider base, and that base is also Indianapolis. South Adams would have major violations for recruiting if it attempted that. 

45 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

They just need to develop more government school programs "punching above their weight".   I still don't believe NUMBERS is a big of factor as you make it out to be.

At small schools, there's nothing to develop if you don't happen to have at least some talent. South Adams ebs and flows as a program because some years the talent just isn't there. You can develop a good program from youth through high school, but sometimes the talent simply isn't there. You're more likely to pull that talent from 1000 kids rather than 300, which is why numbers matter. The Chatard's and Cathedral's are outliers because they are P/P, the school size is smaller, but they still have a large talent pool to work with in terms of bringing kids in. 

52 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I’m also guessing that’s 9-12 correct? 48 in the whole program, freshman dress varsity?

That is correct, that’s the full squad. 

4 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

You can only bring X amount of players to the sidelines for a tournament game (or at least that was the rule 10 or so years ago when I played), and that number was 75. While Chatard can bring 75 to the sidelines, they're only picking from a pool 350 boys. Whereas, say a school like Carmel can bring 75 to the table but they're choosing from 2,000 boys, and Chatard punches above their weight every year and are still at a huge disadvantage.

Now do this with a school like South Adams whom I'm willing to bet doesn't even have 75 boys in their entire program to begin with, expecting them to go up against a school like Penn who could field 2 varsity teams if they wanted too. How in the hell do you not see the difference there? South Adams should have to play in a tournament with a team like Penn because they're better than a team like Springs Valley? This is the single dumbest argument on the GID.

48 on the roster and that’s one of the best I’ve ever seen. And that’s out of at best 180 boys, which the number is probably less because some recent grades haven’t had as many boys. 

4 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

You can only bring X amount of players to the sidelines for a tournament game (or at least that was the rule 10 or so years ago when I played), and that number was 75. While Chatard can bring 75 to the sidelines, they're only picking from a pool 350 boys. Whereas, say a school like Carmel can bring 75 to the table but they're choosing from 2,000 boys, and Chatard punches above their weight every year and are still at a huge disadvantage.

Now do this with a school like South Adams whom I'm willing to bet doesn't even have 75 boys in their entire program to begin with, expecting them to go up against a school like Penn who could field 2 varsity teams if they wanted too. How in the hell do you not see the difference there? South Adams should have to play in a tournament with a team like Penn because they're better than a team like Springs Valley? This is the single dumbest argument on the GID.

48 on the roster and that’s one of the best I’ve ever seen. And that’s out of at best 180 boys, which the number is probably less because some recent grades haven’t had as many boys. 

2 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Has South Adams ever been bumped up due to the success factor? If South Adams can't get bumped from 1A under the current format, how in the hell do you expect/think it's fair they compete in a tournament with the likes of Penn, Noblesville, and Southport?

I believe that South Adams got bumped a few years ago after they won sectional and the next year a regional, but that may have been due to enrollment. South Adams did win a sectional after upsetting number 1 ranked Woodlan in 2A. But 2A and maybe 3A is South Adams' ceiling, and that's competing for sectionals, forget about going for state titles. 

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Please explain this numbers argument.  Chatard brings say 45-50 to the sideline, Carmel being a mega school brings what, 400?  Come now.........................

And you haven't really logically explained that reason, yet.

 

 

Because the size of the school in the end analysis really isn't that important,  that's why.  I believe it to be more like a bell curve in terms of competitive advantage, not exponential like you seem to believe.  Unless your are an OUTLIER of course............

 

 

 

Size of school is a huge factor, and the fact that you don't understand it shows that you don't know anything about small school football. 

8 minutes ago, Basementbias said:

I shouldn't complain this year as the draw worked out very nice for my Flying Jets and also because South Adams is in a different sectional. It seemed that the draws the last decade since both schools were in the same class and sectional, had them meeting in the first round if not then the 2nd. It does suck that Busco and Southwood play the first game instead of the 2nd round. Also sucks that Monroe Central should play South Adams in the 2nd round instead of the finals. Hopefully the regional works itself out though and either AC, Southwood, or Busco takes on South Adams (or Monroe Central if they pull off an upset). If we get AC vs SA in round 2, I hope it just monsoons like it did in Woodburn this past Friday. 😄 

Hey, none of that bad juju. Go away.

But in all seriousness, I like having Monroe Central second round. With the system being what it is, I'd rather have the tough opponent second round, have an "easier" game in the sectional finals then get whoever had to claw their way through the other sectional. 

12 hours ago, jets said:

Funny as a wrestling coach we figure out how to SEED a SECTIONAL and I’m pretty sure that is IHSAA sanctioned. 

The fact the IHSAA won’t seed football sectionals is pure LAZINESS. A criteria could be set, just as it is in wrestling, and it would get accomplished and guess what?? It would be a helluva lot better than we have now. Would at least give SOME meaning to a good regular season. 

Seeding a sectional in wrestling is way different than seeding a sectional in football. Wrestling gets you 30+ points of data vs 9 you would get in football. Those kids are also more likely to compete against others in their sectional, not just a mainly conference schedule all season. 

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Just because WL humiliated LCC doesn't mean they'd do the same to SA................and they wouldn't do the same to SA. South Adams is a minimum 14 pts better than LCC. West Lafayette would probably be a 21-24 point favorite over South Adams. 

No, trust me, West Laf would wreck South Adams. Not even close. There’s a difference between big schools, and then big schools with four star D1 athletes. I’ve seen a lot of WL as a Purdue fan keeping tabs on the Karlaftis brothers, and Yanni would wreck any SA game plan. 

1 hour ago, BendNotBreak said:

How do think SA would do vrs WL this yr?   Just curious.....

Oh, they’d get the hell beat out them for sure. What I’m asking is how that makes you better? Strength of schedule only matters if you can compete and get something out of it. 

8 hours ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

I really would like to see LCC and them. That'll be a ball game. LCC will be battle tested by playing Guerin, Tipton, West Laf and Rensselaer. I also imagine theyll play western in championship week. South Adams seems legit but i don't think they've played anyone nearly as good as what LCC has. 

How does getting blanked 50-0 against West Lafayette make you better? Just curious

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