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42 minutes ago, CoachPorter said:

Rochester coach has stepped down.

https://wroifm.com/sports-news/558662

 

Wow that's super late in the school year.

Does this run the risk of high schools "Tanking" to drop a class to have more success? I didn't see that on this thread in any other post, unless I missed it. Also how does the IHSAA combat "Tanking"?

1 hour ago, Coach P said:

LOL, I'm just digging for some info.....   What is the style of play there, who are the teams to beat, what teams have players, but perhaps under performed. 

Lot's of spread teams

West Lafayette is always solid and there is a lot of ebb and flow in both divisions. 

This is a terrible cliff notes of the HC, but I feel like this could sum it up accurately.

34 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I agree with this. The NLC has kept the same conference schedule for as long as I can remember.

Looking at our friend @Rudy Almanacsports.com website, Warsaw has had the same conference schedule rotation since the 1985 season. The only change ups have been when teams left or join the conference:

Plymouth
Bremen (1985-88) / Out of Conference Opponent (1989-2000) / Elkhart Memorial (2001-2019) / Mishawaka (2020-present)
Rochester (1985-86) / Northridge (1987-present)
Goshen
Wawasee
NorthWood
Concord

One reason why I would like to see a possible change up is because it seems every EVEN year, the homecoming opponent is Goshen and on the ODD years is either Northridge or Wawasee. It would also be nice if another school in the confernce had to deal with the traffic and parking nightmare that is related to Plymouth's Blueberry Festival 😆

I was on staff at Kokomo two seasons ago and the week we played Plymouth was during the Blueberry Festival. That is not fun for parking, or trying to navigate a team to the field when they are loading up those trollys.

1 minute ago, vito said:

It's you're. So YOU'RE equating a person being transgender as having a potentially life threatening illness?

Thank you for fixing my grammar. I will try harder to not make those mistakes. No I am not equating the two and this is where the thread gets shut down because now this is going to turn into me comparing someone being transgender to an illness now I am intolerant. 

11 minutes ago, vito said:

Speaking of irony and (in)tolerance, how ironic will it be if one of the "patriots" on this post ends up having a transgender child or grandchild? This thread is an embarrassment and it's my sincere hope one of the moderators removes it soon. 

First off if by "Patriots" you mean protecting Title IX and women's sports... So be it. Also your second statement about a child or grandchild being transgender comes off like your wishing cancer on someone.  

2 minutes ago, Irishman said:

I don't think that is what he meant. What he is saying, and I agree, is that this particular part of this website is reserved for high school football topics. While this particular topic creates a lot of good discussion, it is better suited to be had in Muda's playground, aka the OOB 2.0 

Understandable, but at the same time this topic is still relevant to all high school sports because going forward what happens with this could impact all of sports. Including football.

3 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Hamilton Heights doesn't have a Women's Football team.

So the only reason we should talk about this is if Indiana beings to offer High School Women's football. That is the only way this can be relevant?

4 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

You're welcome. Always happy to keep things here all about Football. 

Back on topic, how many transgenders does Pioneer have on their women's football team?

Yes how many? 

40 minutes ago, Lysander said:

In some cases, I think “being transgender” is simply a declaration.  No surgery, no hormone treatment, etc.....at least not initially.  That, obviously, is a problem for women’s athletics.

Even following surgery, treatment, etc., it’s still problematic for women’s sports.

I recognize that this whole thing is extremely complicated (I’ve been reading speculative fiction about this for decades and folks can’t begin to imagine just where this takes us societally) and that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg as to how it relates to the greater society BUT an easy call has to be that women’s sports are limited to biological women.  

If it’s not, then we may just as well get rid of women’s sports in their entirety because it becomes meaningless.  

With that, it appears that the best alternative is that we we add Transexual categories of sports all to themselves.

If some women or trans men want to play “up” in Men’s sports that’s fine by me.  But the reverse is an easy “No”.

Honestly, I don’t care what people do with their bodies, who they sleep with, who or what they love so long as they don’t look at me to pay for it. 

Otherwise, people can do whatever the Hell they want regardless of my personal belief or opinion.

To be clear, lest someone mistake this as coming from some “kumbaya” place of great tolerance or love on my part, it’s not.  It’s cold-hearted, curmudgeonly ambivalence. 

You said it better then I could. But I agree with this and I spoke with my wife at length about this at lunch she coaches girls basketball and she thinks that what you said is probably the best way to approach this, its not perfect but it is a start. 

2 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

To speak on this topic in this Forum, the transgendered athletes playing football on Women's Indiana High School Football teams should be discussed.

So in other words we this topic needs to be locked and ended... Got It.

9 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

 

These would be pertinent to this Topic if the athlete was male to female transgendered.

How would you handle the transgender issue in sports? If my answer is not pertinent to the argument please let me know what is the correct way to speak on this topic.

3 minutes ago, FarmerFran said:

Back to the volleyball comment mentioned above. Since the IHSAA does not have organized men's volleyball can men join the volleyball team? Women can play football but for most other sports there is a gendered split (basketball, golf, etc.) 

I feel like Men's volleyball should be offered, and then add another women's sport (Field Hockey or Women's Lacrosse)

We are missing the point of this argument again. This is not about God right now it is about if it is fair for Transgender athletes and if this is detrimental to women's sports. If you want to argument the more and biblical aspect then take that to OOB but come on this is crazy that we can't keep this on topic.

2 minutes ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

Back in the 1970s (my high school days) Some of the South Bend schools had boys on their volleyball team (one was state champs and one was runner up).

There was a lot of backlash back then.  I know there was a South Bend Tribune article on that.  

By 1980, no boys were playing volleyball as far as I know.

Key word is Backlash, in the 1970's there could be backlash. As we see today if my comments were to be screenshot and posted on social media out of context I could very well lose my job for being transphobic, or at the very least I would be "Cancelled" and for what? Being an advocate for women's sports? That's why I said it is a slippery slope. I would love some data on this, but from the eye test it feels as if some women's sports are still male dominated (coaches and officials) the transgender argument makes some in those sports question the point of girls even playing anymore. I say this having sat in our a girls basketball meeting one in which almost the entire staff is female.   

21 minutes ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

Let's bring it back to football for a moment.

A female is allowed to play football.

A female to male trans can't play football

A male to female trans can't play football

 

Is this correct?

This question still show the inequality in sports. Take the question that you just asked and make it any girls sports. You will get an astounding 100% NO and with merit because how would this be fair to young women athletes? To answer your question the PC answer is yes they can all play no matter their gender, but if that is the case what is stopping our teenage boys from playing girls sports without being transgender? 

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

We have only scratched the surface of this issue. There is little understanding by the public at large about what drives transgender issues. The idea that someone, especially a child, would go through all this entails just so at some point he/she can win a sectional championship in track is ridiculous. The transgender movement is going to spark a lot of debate and controversy in our society. Understanding will lag behind — it always does. But this is so much more than a sports issue. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.

I agree with that statement completely, but where I have concern is the idea of women's equality in sports. For the longest time sports has been dominated by men and even if they are transitioning those who are transgender still hold a physical advantage over women. This is bigger then a sports, but in terms of on this thread and what we are posting about the question is how this girls sports will deal with Transgender athletes. 

30 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-judiciary-75aecf3b586e90f590944a54094d394a

Thoughts about this and what it will eventually mean for Indiana youth athletics?

 

I think it could lead to a lot of problems in women's sports. To me this takes Title IX and just spits in the face of all those who worked hard to get equal footing for women's sports. In a hypothetical what stops Danny from becoming Danielle if they don't make the boys teams?  Also would it be discrimination to cut a transgender athlete? It is a really slippery slope.

I will give @DT credit for this thread. It does get a lot of us thinking about what the NCC could look like if things were to change.  The Schools to the west in the NCC all seem to be trending upward in football so that shift could be good for them, I would just hate to see certain rivalries die, like Kokomo vs. Marion. 

59 minutes ago, Bears62 said:

I think if Jeff, Harrison and Mcc are not able to join a more premier, already structured  conference, which is already pretty unlikely, the ideal conference setup would be: Jeff, Harrison, Mccutcheon, West Lafayette, Kokomo, Lebanon, Western and Logansport. I would bet Kokomo becomes a solid team within a couple of years, they are only a few years removed from a 5a state title game appearance. Western has been fairly solid for a while now and Lebanon has been at least somewhat decent recently. Not exactly a power conference, but it would give each schools 2 out of conference games and the Lafayette trio gets to dump cupcake games against Anderson, Muncie Central and Richmond. Travel would also be slightly better. Heck Logansport even won their sectional this year, they seem to be trending upwards as well

Ding Ding Ding, although I feel like this is rehashing what most have been saying in this thread. This version has rivalries and leaves two weeks open for great opponents. And they could keep the NCC name because they are truly North Central of Central Indiana now.  

47 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

I see your point.  But I don't think even a re-tooled NCC as described here would help the likes of a Western or WL in a tournament run, not unless the overall strength of the NCC programs improve.

 

The retooled NCC that is being described in here would not help those programs. There are certain pieces that can get them their, but not with the likes of Logansport ( and that's no shot a Johnson).

1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Wait a second, I thought the Hoosier Conference touts itself, at least here on the GID, as the perfect conference schedule to get a football team ready for the tournament?

 

I would agree to an extent, for the smaller schools like LCC or Tipton when they make runs, but the Schools like Western or WL are could be seen as held back at times. Don't get me wrong I love the HC but we are talking HYPOTHETICAL I am sure both programs would consider a move if it helped them make a State run. 

13 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

David Ortiz was promoted tonight at LaPorte High School 

Wow I didn't now Big Papi coached football in Indiana. In all seriousness Congrats to Coach Ortiz.

12 hours ago, Gipper said:

Not necessarily.  Most Hoosier Conference schools are 2 and 3A.  WLHS needs to find tougher competition or they’ll always get bounced in the first round of the Sectional.

You could say the same thing about Western. This past season they had a team that was really good and should have at least been in contention for the Sectional crown. Only to get bounced by Lebanon again in the first round. They rolled through the regular season with Heights being their only stumble. They even beat Western Boone. They are another school I could see that would make this hypothetical move if it gave them more competition for the State Tournament.