BLACKGOLD2007

It was in the first half. I think it was the second quarte. I think it was Penn's third of fourth series. Penn was heading toward the South Endzone. They started the game driving toward the North.

Thank you for that. I would have went with the fumble, not being a ref but from a fans perspective. The only thing I would have changed was not give them the TD, give them the ball at the 2. Since there was some coaching going on from the refs side. The boo birds were strong after that play.

Again, it wouldn't be the game you think it would be. Mishawaka, baring some bad turnovers, would crush Elkhart.

Idk if it was mentioned but there was a play in the Penn Marian game that would have made the score 17-14 (assuming Marian makes the pat). Penn QB is getting sacked, it appears he throws the ball but as he is doing that he is spun and throws it backwards. I as a Penn fan admit that is a fumble. I heard a whistle blow but then also see the white hat in the backfield drop the bean bag. Both teams appeared to not know what to do in that situation. Penn's players were just standing around, maybe because they heard a whistle. A Marian player went and picked up the ball, but then dropped it and began to move away. The white hat then called out to the player to pick it back up and move into the end zone. The player does what he was instructed....White hat signals TD. After some discussion amongst the refs and the head coaches, the ball was moved back to the original line of scrimmage and Penn was given the ball back and 2nd down. @Bobref what would your call have been in this situation? Because of the inadvertent whistle does it kill the play and the ball is returned to Penn as an incomplete pass?

Elkhart at St. Joseph ©, 7 pm Penn at Adams ©, 7 pm Riley at New Prairie ©, 7:30 pm Washington at Marian ©, 7 pm Elkhart and St. Joe play a tight game that Elkhart wins late. Penn destroys another bad SB school NP rolls over Riley after a hard loss to Elkhart Marian unloads a lot of anger out on Washigton.

I hope you are wrong.

Man I get it, Concord may go on to do big things, we will know for sure in a couple weeks if I am right. Like I said I may be wrong, but just based off the history of Elkhart they look good on paper but come up small in the bigger games. Do you think Mishawaka wins state if they get past Snider last year?

@BTF I am not trying to crap on you or your thoughts, I just don't trust Elkhart and knowing their schedule is weak like Penn's I just don't want you going to the well for them and get let down.

Elkhart could blow it against New Prairie this weekend.

I would not put money on that, they are an unproven commodity that will only have one test this season before they get the pleasure of either playing Carroll or Snider....and there is no way Elkhart beats either team.

If we get beat again, I quit. Getting beat the way we did against Mishawaka has put each game from the W column to the toss up column. Barf City.

To be honest I struggle with ranking the smaller schools and judging them against the bigger ones. My gut says based on your current 25, they are probably in the 30 range. I am so disgusted with the loss to Mishawaka, I don't even like talking about Penn right now. But, here I am bumping my jibs on and on.

If Elkhart destroys Penn, by all means rank them in the top 25, I don't see it happening. I have been wrong before and I don't see Penn taking two dumps against two local teams this year.

I get it, I really do....We all know that the 3 loss HCC team is better....maybe it is hard to justify 1-3 over 3-1, but if that 1-3 team ends up 5-3 and Elkhart ends up 7-2 I am going to rank that 5-3 team ahead of Elkhart.

Elkhart's only quality game is going to be against Penn, who isn't a quality team this year. A win against Penn does not help them but a loss to Penn, wont hurt them? I am sorry but ranked in the top 25 right now is too high...especially with Penn being ranked beneath them. If Penn had not crapped the bed against Mishawaka, and Elkhart lost a tight game to Penn, maybe a 7-2 Elkhart can be justified as a top 25 team.

I would say the loss of the players to Elkhart has forced Mishawaka to rely on young talent that came to play this year. They face planted after the Penn game, was that because they left all their juice on the field and ran out against Concord, or is Concord that good. When push comes to shove, I don't think 5A is won by a true north team this year. I think Warsaw is their best bet, but Bart ball always finds a way to fumble that away as well. I think Penn's O bought into the hype after the Valpo game, and thought Mishawaka would just roll over for them, not taking anything away from Mishawaka, but that was the 1 out of 10 game scenario. But, I am biased so, maybe that game was the 9 out of 10 and Penn winning would be the 1, I just refuse to believe that they are that far behind Mishawaka.

We don't belong on this list and we proved that in Week 2. I just know Elkhart for what they are, struggle with the good teams and crush the bad teams. Sounds a lot like Penn these days.

Elkhart being on this list is because of over inflated wins against two bad South Bend football programs. They are about as good as Penn.

Penn wins over Marian, double digits. Elkhart beats NP, this could be close or could be a blowout. St. Joe beats Adams....Adams is bad. Riley beats Washington...Washington I think is worse than Adams. Penn could have scored 100 on Washington, but called the dogs off after the first quarter. The state of South Bend football is possibly the worst shape it has been in a while. I don't think Elkhart would have played you any better than Penn did.

I would agree with this. Riley has some athletes, they just wore out against a bigger Penn team that did not play well at all. If Elkhart shows up blowout city.

I think all but maybe 1 penalty was called on Penn in the first half. Which was almost another 100 yards. They had a 50 plus yard TD called back. Then we went into this weird stretch of play calling that was a crystal ball for the ND game the next afternoon. Fans were screaming to just run the ball and run with Watson. Penn should have beat that team in the first half, and then practiced plays in the 3rd quarter. Penn will probably pull Crown Point in game one of sectionals and put this season to bed early. I cannot imaging Penn getting beat by Lake Central or Portage.

It felt like they were trying to practice plays, rather than allowing their playmakers to go out and make plays. I mean they wont run the ball with Watson, why IDK. It is bad. The only bright spots from the Riley game was the two back up running backs looked good.

That is fair, I didn't not expect the Offense to do almost nothing all game. Every time the started to mount a drive they would shoot their foot off and wonder what happened. Just disappointing.

Mishawaka made Penn look like 💩 Awful display on both offense and defense. I am not trying to take anything away from how Mishawaka handled Penn, but it felt like the D learned nothing from week 1 and the O just dropped a load in their pants after going down two scores. Penn Paper Tigers. We have been exposed far sooner than I thought we would be.

Yeah, sorry I was bouncing back and forth from one page to another. I will do better next time. Crown Point for the win?