BLACKGOLD2007

OMG....WTH! Bart isn't scared to test his squads.

So, I heard some things that are making me feel better about the incoming regime. Was talking to a father and son who are incoming Freshmen this year at Penn. The coaching staff that has been at Penn since I was there last in 2007 has admitted to players and parents that the program got away from their winning mentality and began to coddle the players. Coaches have told parents they wont be directly communicating with the parents. all communication will be given to the player 48hrs in advance, and it is the players responsibility to make sure that information gets to the parents. Coaches told parents not to call or email them. Kids will play based on merit. I did hear they changed the endzones of the field and they now say Gold Rush in one and Wild Bunch in the other....Not a fan of that, but I am not paying for that.....at least I hope I am not....darn you taxes.

Warren doesn't need to win big, they just need to win. With the game being at home. I think Warren wins the game 24-10 or 17-7.

Freaking Warsaw got Warren on their schedule! WHAT THE HECK GUYS!

They have a good chance of upsetting Penn this year. Game is at Mishawaka, and well they are always good.

Well this tells you how strong Penn's schedule is this year....Penn Plays #24 game 1 and #23 in game 2....that is as good as it gets. YIKES

Yeah fat fingered that one. I think the 02 Penn team would have made those state finals games more interesting, but those were the two best teams (Warren and BD) I had ever seen take a high school football field in Indiana. That isn't a dig at the Carmel team that smashed Penn in state either.

On another note, did anyone notice the common theme in the second graph...A lot of those teams read Ben Davis, Warren or Carmel. Lol Sorry wrong thread.

I am not saying they are in the top three or could compete with any of these three teams, because well we know what the 06 and 17 teams did to Penn. But, if it weren't for an egregious call in the regional game in 2002 the nationally ranked Penn team was the best Penn team I have ever seen take the field. Dominated BD in Indy and ravaged that Saginaw team that was also nationally ranked with Lamarr Woodley. Aug. 23 Valparaiso W 31 7 Aug. 30 at Ben Davis W 30 14 Sep. 6 at South Bend Washington W 69 0 Sep. 13 South Bend Riley W 61 12 Sep. 20 Saginaw (Mich.) W 49 7 Sep. 27 at South Bend Clay W 35 12 Oct. 4 at South Bend Adams W 65 0 Oct. 11 Mishawaka W 51 0 Oct. 18 at Elkhart Central W 63 13 Oct. 25 at Elkhart Memorial W 42 7 sect Nov. 1 Elkhart Central W 63 0 sect Nov. 8 at Goshen W 31 0 sect That is every game leading up to the regional game. I think that loss shook the state and BD goes on to an easy state title win. Shoulda woulda coulda. Damn shame that it ended in Valpo and not in Indy.

A game from 20 years ago was probably more memorable than going to work on a mundane week day. lol

The marketing department was giving him time to not screw this up. We wait with baited breath @temptation We did it! We made the top 50! YES! lol

Maybe it is because old school fanatics who went to practices and kept close tabs on the players and coaches aren't on here anymore. People who have lives but follow the team cant get that information because we....well are busy living our daily lives. lol.

In this scenario we benefit from having a smaller population about 6.8 million in 2022. Where California has a population of 39 million....(fun fact California's population is larger than the population of Canada.) But, still it is cool to see Hoosiers represent in the highest league.

Penn, is like a black hole when it comes to information.

Hard pass, I would accept Trent watching from the stands like Corey is this coming season.

100% agree. I don't understand why Penn struggles with producing D1 players more consistently. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

Give him 10 years to suffer through all the success factor stuff and He will be winning 6A titles in no time. He may be in a wheel chair or hooked up to a machine by that point, but he will be winning nonetheless.

He was a walk on

That team smoked Penn in the regular season. must have been a really down year. lol

Sure. All Schools should be humble. You never know when a Friday night could be your turn for a 50 point massacre. I made a T-shirt in High School directed at how much we (Penn) does not like our cross town rivals at Mishawaka...I put at the bottom, that it isn't about the numbers we are just better than you....not so humble...but we had not lost to Mishawaka in over 30 years at the time. In this specific case, numbers 100% help us, but at the same time top to bottom we were better than them. Coaching, training staff and players were all better than our counter parts.

Carmel appears to be going through a stretch where either: coaching is going stale, buy in is at an all time low, complacency has worked into the program or top players are not playing football. I don't pay enough attention to how many D1 level players they are producing, to have a valid opinion on the state of affairs down there, but I think their current problem lies beyond numbers. When Carmel figures this out, they will be winning sectionals again, and likely retake their spot on top of 6A North. Eliminate CG from the overall conversation, what Moore has done there is develop an empire. It will eventually come to an end, but for this situation, set them aside. Who made regionals in the south & north last year? Ben Davis (#2 enrollment), Warren (#3 enrollment), Center Grove & Cathedral and in the north Penn (#6 enrollment), CP, Westfield & HSE (#8 enrollment) 50% of the schools competing at this point are still of the larger enrollment schools in the state 3400 +. They may not win state each year anymore, yes because other schools have grown up and decreased the enrollment gap which has injected depth and talent into these programs....but the biggest schools are still moving on. When BD, Carmel, Warren, Penn etc. are all not winning sectionals on a regular basis then I think we talk say 6A has reached parity. Then we just need to get a team from the true north to close the gap and win the entire thing again. There is only 1 school in the top ten in enrollment from the true north...Penn. Does Carroll or CP need to crack the top 10 to have a chance at a win at state, or is the true north stuck playing second and third fiddles? (I only included those schools because they will consistently be in 6A for the foreseeable future.)

That is right around the corner from my house. Deal.

It isn't so much what people think, but the harsh realization that we aren't as relevant any more. We don't have that impact on old 5A and now 6A that we used to have. Semi-state in the north ran through Penn and Carmel for the longest time. If you got through them you were probably worthy of being the North representative. Now, it is just hope and pray we keep it close.

I am hoping the additions to the coaching staff under Coach Pete can help modernize the offense. Over the past decade the O has become so predictable, in some games only running a handful of plays out of a single formation. I would even take an aggressive down hill running scheme that utilizes traps and some misdirection vs our zone running that we have been doing the last decade or so. We need to be able to diversify our formations and stretch defenses on the outside to keep teams off balance. That has not been the case. I think Pete is going to bring a modern flare to the Kingsmen, I just hope we can find a way to get more big time schools on the schedule so when we come up against CP, Carroll etc. in playoffs we are prepared for those games. I am cautiously optimistic for this season. Knowing we play one of the weakest schedules in 6A, will we be ready for the size and strength of CP in sectionals. If we can win that game, I think then there is a good chance we will compete with Snider or Carroll, but we need to start off the right way and beat Valpo week 1.

Just disenchanted with this process. We look strong and then crap the bed, get roasted on this board for having like 5 of the worst losses in state finals history. It is getting old. Yes I long for the era of Geez to come back, but it isn't, so I have resorted to just understanding a top level state title will be a long shot until the day I die....which I am only 35.