BLACKGOLD2007

.500 if that, in my honest opinion.

Well that is fair. If I was in your position I would feel the same. Lol

Strike two!

1. Beech Grove @ Muncie Central 2. Culver Academy @ Lowell 3. Hobart @ New Prairie 4. Pendleton Heights @ Greenfield-Central 5. Danville @ Tri-West 6. Lawrenceburg @ Centerville 7. Scottsburg @ North Harrison 8. Twin Lakes @ Boone Grove 9. Western Boone @ North Montgomery 10. Andrean @ LaVille 11. Bluffton @ Alexandria 12. Eastbrook @ Frankton 13. Evansville Mater Dei @ Tell City 14. Greencastle @ North Putnam 15. Sullivan @ Southmont 16. Clinton Prairie @ Covington 17. North Miami @ Southern Wells 18. Pioneer @ North Judson

From my seat here in Mishawaka, they seemed to have rebounded well from their tough loss to Homestead...

Yes, but even with the big boys, it is the wrong selection... I don't mean to beat a dead horse...but Cathedral beat Penn soundly and yet Cathedral because they have lost a few games is ranked well below Penn. Strike 1 right there.

Yes, sorry...I got my signals crossed. haha

They played a very comparable schedule in non conference games.

Always the contrarian BTF. lol It would be nice to see someone else take home the title this year.

If Valpo goes back to back that would be huge. I personally think Snider gets the job done this year over Valpo, but those Bloomington Schools look good.

I personally think the @temptation does a much better job at putting together his top 25.

I guess the question is, how much does Center Grove win the state title by in the regional match up? Ben Davis v Center Grove or Brownsburg v Center Grove

Agree with this 100% The expansion and explosion of the Indy area, has forced the DAC 6A teams down into 5A, and this leaves Penn little options when it comes to in class competition. This doesn't mean that Valpo isn't a quality opponent, but the conference we play in is not helping. If we played a DAC or Summit conference schedule I would feel much better about, an 8-1 record. Penn either just needs to pull out of the NIC or as a fan we just need to accept that the school does not care about being competitive anymore. The years of the NIC producing multiple state title competitors is over. We are lucky to get 1.

https://highschool.si.com/indiana/2023/10/19/top-25-indiana-high-school-football-rankings-10-18-2023 Follow this link to the article. Just a quick rundown of where they are ranking teams....(there will be some shockers) 1 Ben Davis 2 Center Grove 3 Brownsburg 4 Crown Point 5 Westfield 6 Hamilton Southeastern 7 Fort Wayne Carroll 8 Penn 9 Chatard 10 Valpo 11 Snider 12 Fishers 13 Bloomington North 14 Cathedral 15 Bloomington South 16 East Central 17 Carmel 18 Merrillville 19 Mishawaka 20 Lawrence North 21 WL Harrison 22 Decatur Central 23 New Pal 24 Warsaw 25 Evansville Reitz What are your thoughts?

I am sorry, I have been going to these games from the time I can remember. I was at each of the three peat games, I was at the debacles to Warren, Carmel and BD. I have seen this program achieve success and lately the product on the field in the last four seasons is no where near the team that played Center Grove to a 12 point loss in the state finals. Penn with 3800 students should be able to produce talent across the board that can compete with an Indy based school year in an year out. The blow outs to top Indy teams and now Carroll last year, when that game was at Home....not acceptable. Yes Penn is 8-1...yes they beat two top 10 5A teams and a New Prairie team that could make noise in 4A, but that is not what 6A programs should be patting themselves on the back about. Winning a weak conference title is not what you pat yourself on the back about. Competing year in and year out for Semi-State title games is where this program was at, and now if we win sectionals, which has only happened 1 time out of the last 5 or 6 seasons is unacceptable, we are actually surprised. I know this thread isn't about Penn, and I am sorry this has kind of hijacked it.

Right now, I think we need someone that is younger and more innovative on the offensive side of the ball. Penn's issue right now is their lack of inspiration. Their D seems to be good year in and year out, recently their issue has been the Offense staying on the field. So, if a coaching change is not in the cards, then their needs to be a scheme change. One things kids do not like at the high school level is getting beat up on play after play, I am all for going back to the traditional ground and pound trap style of offense. scrap the lateral zone runs that end in the backfield, north and south running plays that result in 3-4 yards per play. This will allow you to run play action more effectively and when you get later in the games you can lean in on the O-line because they have just been pounding the d-line all night. The beauty is you can run aggressive downhill plays from the gun or under center, you don't have to be a 22 or 32 formation to play a physical style of ball.

Yes that does appear to be the case.

That is fair. Until Penn makes changes I think that is the case moving forward.

I think Carroll is their best competition. Because, CP like Penn look great on paper. But, don't get the jobs done.

Snider v Mishawaka matchup looks fun and the rematch battle between Valpo and Merrillville looks great as well.

I hate polls, Penn being ranked above Carroll by 40 points gives me anxiety.

I have been annoyed by how sectionals handles their home and away splits. We have had years where we would travel to the region then to Fort Wayne just to travel to the Indy area. With maybe one home game in that stretch.

If they fell in sectionals 1 or 2 they are playing in semi state.

I don't think TV is ready for the smoke that Chatard is about to bring. Chatard likely 3A state champ.

Hobart at New Prairie, 8 pm: NP needs to find their offense again. This is going to be a tight one. Hobart played a schedule that had 4 5A schools on it. Washington at Plymouth, 7 pm: Both teams played and beat Calumet, Washington went to Calumet and beat them by a similar score that Plymouth beat Calumet by while playing at home. I expect this also to be a close game. NorthWood at St. Joseph, 7 pm: Sorry St. Joe, but I don't see you winning this game. Riley at Wawasee, 7 pm: Riley gets the road win, to set up a heck of a game against Northridge. Jimtown at Fairfield, 7 pm: Jimtown has had a rough year, but maybe they can steal one away from home. Clay at Glenn, 7 pm: Glenn gets their revenge for the JV squad, wins game by half. Marian at West Noble, 7 pm: 9-0 West Noble, appears to be solid on paper. But, it is hard to judge a conference I know nothing about. I hope Marian can pull out the upset off away from home. Bremen at Bishop Noll, 7:30 pm: Bremen has had an up and down year, but I think they get their job done and punch their ticket for one more week.