Titan32

We lost a recent game winning in every statistical category and we are sitting at home. The Patriots can beat you in multiple ways. Just because they are a flexbone team hardly makes them one dimensional.

Chris, you are being a little hard on him. We all know that with 10k-15k a year in Indiana for tuition at a P&P by default the "quality" of student-athlete is generally going to be "higher", for lack of a better word, than the equivalent sized public. Take for example a GS or HH who probably has some of the lowest free and assisted lunch in the state by percentage of the student body in 3A for publics. Even with that, GS and HH simply won't have the same number of quality student-athletes walking the halls as their p&p counterparts by the percentage of enrollment (with the exception of some generational aboratinon). Anyone who denies that is simply hiding their head in the sand. I can tell you that we have kids at GS who are only there because they have a pulse and the law says that they have to be (and we have much less than most other publics our size). Again, "generally", folks who can make the sacrifice to send their kids to a P&P have certain qualities in common that I don't need to list here that are both "natured" and "nurtured" into their kids. Does this quality "stock" always result in a strong tradition in any sport? Certainly not, however, when the key variables are in place, the same variables that it takes to have success at a public in a given sport...ie, community, youth league, parent support, coaching etc., those variables are multiplied by a factor "x" across a deeper bench so to speak. As I have mentioned before, as a case study in the SIAC, Memorial vs Castle. This P&P typically runs head to head with its public rival in terms of conference championships boys and girls. This would indicate both schools have a similar bench depth across a wide variety of sports, boys, and girls. Castle enrollment 1965, Memorial enrollment 609. Castle isn't exactly a district of struggling families. Some pretty easy math even for a public educated kid can see the disparity here in the ratio there of total enrollment to quality student-athlete. You see this all over the state. What does it mean? Does Memorial have better coaches? Do memorial kids have a better work ethic? Is it that the early poor immigrant Catholics into Southwestern Indiana were blue-collared people that instilled an incredible physical culture and work ethic over generations significantly impacting their ability to succeed in girls soccer? There clearly are some public representatives on the GID that are advocates of "everything is fine" or perhaps that are even against the success factor. Many of those seem to fall into one of a few buckets: Those who have advanced in the state tournament over a p&p at some point in school history or public's that are geographically aligned in such a way that they get quality imports or perhaps in such a way that P&Ps aren't an issue in their path. There will always be a subset with a certain machismo or the "put your head down and go to work" mentality that simply won't admit the above paradigm is simply a fact. That is the nature of our sport and I wouldn't' change that for the world. Those folks know it's true but the "football guy" in them simply won't let admit that there are certain inherent advantages. Reasonable, intelligent men and women can't debate on if a solution is necessary, if the one we have is adequate or if additional measures are needed at all. I simply can't wrap my head around how any reasonable person on either side of these arguments can say P&Ps and public are equitably measured by enrollment alone. Just simply say....sure they have advantages...but I don't care...I like the challenge. That I can accept.

My comment was actually tongue in cheek in response to the clear command that our bovinian friend has over the english language.

No way? :)

Now will you guys finally admit there are certain...obvious...advantages to attending a P&P? (cough, cough)

Dang @tango I got off cheap!

What a tragedy Dave. Sorry.

I like MD in this one.

How many damn limbs did you hit any way?

I like Memorial in this one.

Isn’t Memorial a 4A team? You just can’t stay away from the 3A stuff can ya? At least try to hide the fact of how much you want to go back. So you coaching 7th or 8th grade basketball this post season?

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The best team.....that night....wins.

Wet...ice and cold. Temperature changes at the exact worse times. God likes p&ps more.

The good news story is that our corner of the state is playing really good football. The result is our programs push each other to a higher level.

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Each were HC for 7 years. John Obermeier (1998-2004) 35-40 Rick Stefanich (2005-2011) 34-40 1998 9-3 <----Maybe the team you are thinking of 1999 6-5 2000 4-6 2001 5-6 2002 4-6 2003 4-6 2004 3-8 2005 5-6 2006 6-5 2007 7-3 <-----Stefanich's best team 2008 4-6 2009 4-7 2010 4-6 2011 4-7

Two words...cheatin' catholics LMAO!

But we are 3-3 with them in the Hart era. 703 to 609....but thats without the multiplier. :)

Yeah that rematch would be awesome, because I think GS shows it's not even close....just like every other year of Buening's tenure. Based on what I have seen coming in the lower levels I would say SR made the right call signing up to be in the small team division of the PAC.

Here is my smack talk. HH is very good at what they do and have done it well all season. GS hasn't put together a complete game against the better teams all season, but when things are firing it is an amazing thing to watch. HH is the heavy favorite in this one but I wouldn't be shocked if either team walked away victorious. Numbers from last game:

Have to wonder how happy they are on the hill....not that they are ever happy.

Somehow North Harrison was able to overcome the speed of the SIAC.

SR had 182 yard of offense and 2 turnovers against HH. GS had 405 yards of offense and 4 turnovers. I would upgrade that win to "regular" upset.